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#51 OFFLINE   Maruuk

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 08:39 PM

The classic straw dog syndrome. I led with terrible writing, bad directing, awful music, and finally zero eye candy. But the only attack point was the desire for an attractive female lead. Fair and balanced?

I appreciate and respect you folks who worship older actresses like Cher and Liza Minnelli and Bette Midler. Can't we all get along?

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 08:46 PM

I led with terrible writing, bad directing, awful music, and finally zero eye candy.


Exactly. eye candy shouldn't even enter the equation. You make it sound as if you could get by on terrible writing, bad acting and awful music as long as it had eye candy. I know this is a geek board and most get off on that stuff, based on years spent in Moms basement, but come on, you don't watch a show like The Americans expecting any "eye candy"

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 09:03 PM

The Americans is a spy show. If this was a film it'd star the young version of Angelia Jolie (she's too old now) and the hottest guys they could find. In other words, it'd be a major male/female babefest. But this being a cheapasz FX show the best they could do was Keri Whatzherface, not exactly major box office any more. Not my cup of tea but you older folks enjoy! I mean, if EYE CANDY didn't matter here, why didn't they cast Melissa McCarthy??

Gossip Girl got my attention with babes but it was really the fantastic character of Chuck Bass that held my attention. Downton is in trouble plotwise precisely because they have no sexual tension left to drive their Jane Austen-esque plot--they pulled the "Friends" jump-the-shark trick by marrying off or killing the 2 cute girls.

A TV show doesn't make it or break solely on the cute girl quotient for me, but it sure helps! Film is a totally different thing. I mean, who's hot in the Bicycle Thief or Cinema Paradiso? Though I admit to being a big fan of Ludivine Sagnier! I do kind of follow her films for her.

Now you take "Don't Trust the B..." Super hot lead, but also very creative and funny premises and writing! It's great when you have a win-win situation!

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 10:07 PM

"The Americans" is a show set in 1981 with flashbacks to the 1960's. The plot is not centered around T&A and as with ALL televison shows it has a flaw or two.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:38 AM

The Americans is a spy show.

That's your first mistake. You might know better if you saw the whole first episode through to the ending - it was near the ending of the first episode that we saw the main overarching story arc laid out.

But don't take my word for it. Read about it from the FX show site (emphasis added):

The Americans is a period drama about the complex marriage of two KGB spies posing as Americans in suburban Washington D.C. shortly after Ronald Reagan is elected President. The arranged marriage of Philip (Matthew Rhys) and Elizabeth Jennings (Keri Russell), who have two children – 13-year-old Paige (Holly Taylor) and 10-year-old Henry (Keidrich Sellati), who know nothing about their parents’ true identity – grows more passionate and genuine by the day, but is constantly tested by the escalation of the Cold War and the intimate, dangerous and darkly funny relationships they must maintain with a network of spies and informants under their control. Complicating their relationship further is Philip’s growing sense of affinity for America’s values and way of life. Tensions also heighten upon the arrival of a new neighbor, Stan Beeman (Noah Emmerich), an FBI agent. Stan and his partner, Agent Chris Amador (Maximiliano Hernández), are members of a new division of Counterintelligence tasked with fighting against foreign agents on U.S. soil, including KGB Directorate S illegals, Russian spies posing as Americans.

You derived assumptions about the show, maybe from its trailers which I guess you're expressing frustration about...

If this was a film it'd star the young version of Angelia Jolie (she's too old now) and the hottest guys they could find. In other words, it'd be a major male/female babefest. But this being a cheapasz FX show the best they could do was Keri Whatzherface, not exactly major box office any more. Not my cup of tea but you older folks enjoy....

The description of the show is not some wild fiction with gorgeous female and male model types running around in fantastic sports cars chasing and killing each other.

"The Americans" sounds a bit like this ABC story dated Jan. 15, 2013:

A married pair of alleged 'sleeper' spies went on trial in Germany Tuesday, accused of spying for Russia for more than two decades while living a quiet middle-class life and raising a daughter who had no idea of her parents' true identities.

... In a page out of a cold war novel, the Russian couple moved to West Germany in the late 1980s posing as Austrian nationals of Latin American descent. They are accused of transferring information on NATO, European and German security policies to the Soviet and then Russian intelligence service. As part of their alleged cover, Andreas, who claimed to be in his early 50s, worked as an engineer and Heidrun, in her late 40s, played tennis with local women. They collected an alleged 100,000 Euros in year in salary from the Russian government.

Their last alleged caper was the recruitment of a Dutch Foreign Ministry official, who reportedly sold them secret documents on NATO operations for $96,500, according to the German newspaper Die Welt.

Or much closer to home is the Anna Chapman sleeper spy ring arrested by the FBI in June 2010 and swapped a few days later for four Russian double agents. Read this NY Post story How many spies remain?. Or maybe the story Russian Sleeper Agent Allegedly Tried to Recruit Son Into Spy Business which tells us:

A Russian spy who was kicked out of the U.S. has now been accused of trying to recruit his son into the espionage business. And the son reportedly went along with the plan.

According to anonymous U.S. officials cited by the Wall Street Journal’s Devlin Barrett, the plot stemmed from a group of infamous Russian sleeper spies who were unmasked and deported back to Moscow two years ago. Before they were kicked out, they allegedly attempted to use their children as intelligence agents to bypass security clearances. Peter Krupp, the attorney who represented one of the accused spies, declined to answer the accusations on-the-record. But he told the Journal that his client said the U.S. officials are ”crap.” The attorney relayed that his client would never have taken the risk of revealing his secret identity.

The story focuses heavily on one alleged spy kid, Tim Foley. According to the Journal, his parents revealed to him sometime before their June 2010 arrest by the FBI that they were spies. Foley then agreed to join his parents in their pursuit of espionage. U.S. officials said Foley then “stood up and saluted ‘Mother Russia,’” and said he was willing to return to Russia for spy training, Barrett writes. This moment was reportedly captured by federal agents who had bugged their home.

Yeah, I'm old. When I was an undergraduate student I loved the Bond books - male romance novels. But by the time I graduated people were being killed in Vietnam as the Cold War continued to be hot.

If you want movies about spies see Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy and Zero Dark Thirty not a Bourne or Bond movie. Or better yet, read all the John le Carré novels.

Sorry, but for what this story is about Keri Russell and Matthew Rhys were excellent choices. For what you want, watch reruns of "I Spy" with Robert Culp and Bill Cosby like us old folks did before we learned about life.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 03:22 AM

"That's your first mistake."

Nope, that was yours. I had researched the premise thoroughly, that's the only reason I was watching it. But when you see a production so weak and sloppy with hackneyed writing and bad casting and so many substandard executions of basic production values in the first 15 minutes--ya gotta bail or be a masochist. It's just uninspired tripe from beginning to end.

I used to watch "I Spy" but only because there were basically no other choices back then. It was a pretty awful show even in its day! But you can't fault anybody back then for the lack of choice. Today, hell, watching crap is a mortal sin given all the possibilities.

Bottom line: some folks like the show, others don't. Same as it ever was.

Edited by Maruuk, 03 February 2013 - 03:28 AM.


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Posted 03 February 2013 - 06:48 AM

The classic straw dog syndrome. I led with terrible writing, bad directing, awful music, and finally zero eye candy. But the only attack point was the desire for an attractive female lead. Fair and balanced?

I appreciate and respect you folks who worship older actresses like Cher and Liza Minnelli and Bette Midler. Can't we all get along?


You've made your point, please let it go and not ruin the thread. Thanks.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 07:16 AM

I may watch the show.

I'm never reading this thread again.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 07:33 AM

I may watch the show.

I'm never reading this thread again.


We watched the show last night and really enjoyed it. Let's give those that hated the show a chance to complain and I'll close this thread and start a new one after the next episode for those that continue to watch.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 07:38 AM

Absolutely will keep watching. I was enthralled once the story started to play out. Loved the musical score. And Keri Russell? Fell for her in "August Rush", she still does it for me.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 08:40 AM

I thought it was great and am going to get my wife to watch the Pilot with me this week so I can make sure she sees them all.

F/X did it (right) again, IMH(41 year old)O. ;)

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 09:04 AM

We watched the show last night and really enjoyed it. Let's give those that hated the show a chance to complain and I'll close this thread and start a new one after the next episode for those that continue to watch.


Same here, watched it yesterday and enjoyed it. Will continue to watch

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:10 AM

Same here, watched it yesterday and enjoyed it. Will continue to watch


Ditto ... it's a keeper.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:15 AM

Enjoy the show. I like the way he took care of the pervert.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:20 AM

Enjoy the show. I like the way he took care of the pervert.


+1
and the captain when he found out what he did to his wife when she was in training.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:21 AM

We watched it last night, and it's definitely a keeper...

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:43 AM

I was aware of that. Thus the stultifying "Tusk" theme that they just kept looping over and over awkwardly. Worst attempt at an action TV series score I've ever heard. Sounded like the music editor cut some rough "Tusk" loops in over the scenes as a temp score and they accidentally left it all in as it was. Yikes, brutal.


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Posted 03 February 2013 - 01:49 PM

I was aware of that. Thus the stultifying "Tusk" theme that they just kept looping over and over awkwardly. Worst attempt at an action TV series score I've ever heard. Sounded like the music editor cut some rough "Tusk" loops in over the scenes as a temp score and they accidentally left it all in as it was. Yikes, brutal.


You mean, there was music? ;)
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 01:55 PM

Well, not score but just a badly butchered bunch of instrumental loops from the original "Tusk". It went on and on and on like an erratically skipping broken record. I shudder to think of it.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 02:04 PM

Well, not score but just a badly butchered bunch of instrumental loops from the original "Tusk". It went on and on and on like an erratically skipping broken record. I shudder to think of it.


I was so engrossed with the on-screen action that I completely ignored the "music".

How can anyone forget (loosely quoted) "When I come back I'm gonna stick it in your heart."? Loved it!
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 03:04 PM

I'm impressed he could even perform with that middle-aged haridan!

De gustibus non est disputandum. Guess that's why they have milf depts. on porn sites.

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 01:38 PM

No dots to connect Tom. Some watch TV just for eye candy, some watch for story lines and acting. If the cast is hot, fine, but that's not a reason to watch or not watch IMO.



And nobody's horse is quite as high as yours TomCat, but we do appreciate your posts in this thread not being your normal novels that nobody reads.

Hmmm. Other than the fact that you are on record as actually connecting those dots, I can't with a straight face find much of any strong argument with any of the rest. :lol:

BTW, the novel will be out in Q1 of 2014. Pre-orders are accepted right here.

But then you might be surprised at the level of regular positive feedback my posts get (mostly in PMs because they'd be pilloried if they did that in the threads), which I'm sure you must get also :rolleyes:. The news flash here is that I don't post for you; I post for me. Some actually read and appreciate, but that's only gravy; I use the internet as a place to organize my thoughts and hone any minimal writing chops I can muster, and that is the only reason other than to help answer people's questions. Whether lurkers with their pointy little heads read them is of zero importance, and most don't have the reading comprehension ability of a fruit bat anyway (this forum being a prime example lately). You, on the other hand, are free to have an opinion regarding the level of success there, but lots of positive opinions are already on record, so your's probably wont really amount to much.

No one cares, but just to set the record straight, I do not watch a show for eye candy (Baywatch was cancelled, right?), and I am a little bewildered that this has somehow hijacked the thread. It might make me watch a little longer Cough![Continuum]Ahem! before jetissoning a series, though. And I can appreciate it when its there. Sue me.

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And Taylor Swift? Apparently over the hill, about to hit the wall, right? We don't need to blur the lines between the upper limit of who's lost it and the lower limit of statutory pedophilia any more than we have, or no one at any age would be acceptable.

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 01:56 PM

This series has potential. I just want to know how the captured defector managed not to soil himself while locked inside the car trunk all that time? :sure:
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 02:14 PM

This series has potential. I just want to know how the captured defector managed not to soil himself while locked inside the car trunk all that time? :sure:


How do you know he didn't? lol
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 02:23 PM

Just to calm the hysterics, nobody in here watches a series exclusively for eye-candy, and nobody has ever said they did. Let's just stop the straw man routine. And can different guys disagree on who's hot and who's not? That's what fuels half of all bar conversation. It doesn't need to result in hating or ad hominem attacks.

Are attractive women often utilized as a significant factor in production values by TV productions because they know it boosts ratings? Do refs blow pass interference calls in the end zone?

Edited by Maruuk, 05 February 2013 - 03:00 PM.





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