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#126 OFFLINE   sigma1914

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 07:07 PM

Just watched a marathon over the past 2 days, very disappointed no major commie bastards were killed, I really don't know if I will watch a second season after this

What about the hotel scene?


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 08:11 PM

Just watched a marathon over the past 2 days, very disappointed no major commie bastards were killed, I really don't know if I will watch a second season after this

 

Odd that someone can immerse themselves in the series but probably still doesn't understand that "good guy" and "bad guy" are nothing more than points of view, mere opinions. That was the entire underlying premise of the series. No one expected any viewer with a clear mnd to be taking sides. That is exactly NOT what this show was about.
 

There are no bad guys that believe that they are not good guys. Even those moron marathon bombers thought they were doing the right thing. Scary, but realistic. Any other thinking that reduces any of us to white hats or black hats is a pretty immature and a severely limited understanding of the way the world goes around.

 

Folks, please, at least try to rub two brain cells together. Next we'll be hearing that the government needs to "keep their stinking hands off my free welfare check." The nerve of them taxing gasoline just so that we can pay to build roads to drive on.


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 09:14 PM

We anxiously await the second season.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 09:22 PM

We anxiously await the second season.


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 09:37 PM

I didn't see anything to get exciting about. So far, I have found it rather boring and predictable. The only thing they missed in the first season was the teenage daughter finding things.


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 10:30 PM

Odd that someone can immerse themselves in the series but probably still doesn't understand that "good guy" and "bad guy" are nothing more than points of view, mere opinions. That was the entire underlying premise of the series. No one expected any viewer with a clear mnd to be taking sides. That is exactly NOT what this show was about.
 

There are no bad guys that believe that they are not good guys. Even those moron marathon bombers thought they were doing the right thing. Scary, but realistic. Any other thinking that reduces any of us to white hats or black hats is a pretty immature and a severely limited understanding of the way the world goes around.

 

Folks, please, at least try to rub two brain cells together. Next we'll be hearing that the government needs to "keep their stinking hands off my free welfare check." The nerve of them taxing gasoline just so that we can pay to build roads to drive on.

Strongly disagree.  Doesn't matter whether they think they are good guys.  From our perspective, they are bad guys.  From American history's perspective, they are bad guys.  I want to see someone from the Russian side caught.  That's my payoff as the viewer.

 

I understand making villains multi-faceted and complex.  Look at Homeland!  But as an American citizen, not to mention an Army veteran, I want payoff in the form of Russian Communists being busted!


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 03:30 AM

Odd that someone can immerse themselves in the series but probably still doesn't understand that "good guy" and "bad guy" are nothing more than points of view, mere opinions. That was the entire underlying premise of the series. No one expected any viewer with a clear mnd to be taking sides. That is exactly NOT what this show was about.
 

There are no bad guys that believe that they are not good guys. Even those moron marathon bombers thought they were doing the right thing. Scary, but realistic. Any other thinking that reduces any of us to white hats or black hats is a pretty immature and a severely limited understanding of the way the world goes around.

 

Folks, please, at least try to rub two brain cells together. Next we'll be hearing that the government needs to "keep their stinking hands off my free welfare check." The nerve of them taxing gasoline just so that we can pay to build roads to drive on.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 06:06 AM

We anxiously await the second season.

 

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 12:00 PM

Strongly disagree.  Doesn't matter whether they think they are good guys.  From our perspective, they are bad guys.  From American history's perspective, they are bad guys.  I want to see someone from the Russian side caught.  That's my payoff as the viewer.

 

I understand making villains multi-faceted and complex.  Look at Homeland!  But as an American citizen, not to mention an Army veteran, I want payoff in the form of Russian Communists being busted!

Totally agree and that's what the season was built upon, and the FBI is no closer to catching the couple.


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 07:09 PM

 

Strongly disagree.  Doesn't matter whether they think they are good guys.  From our perspective, they are bad guys.  From American history's perspective, they are bad guys.  I want to see someone from the Russian side caught.  That's my payoff as the viewer.

 

I understand making villains multi-faceted and complex.  Look at Homeland!  But as an American citizen, not to mention an Army veteran, I want payoff in the form of Russian Communists being busted!

 

Totally agree and that's what the season was built upon, and the FBI is no closer to catching the couple.

 

Hmmmm. The "bad guys." Well, I wish I could see it that straightforwardly.

 

Yes, while in the military or in national security one has to know who is the enemy. It must be very straightforward. And in this show Elizabeth Jennings, more than Phillip, has that sense of clarity that she shares with Stan Beeman.

 

But American political trends do not create a very good windows through which to view history. For a time, the British were "the bad guys." You have to remember that from an American history perspective the Indians were "the bad guys" for most generations, really until WWII when we were confronted with the concept of genocide as public policy followed by Apartheid becoming public policy in 1948.

 

The American First Red Scare of (1919–1921) came after the end of WWI. The Second Red Scare of (1947–1957) came after WWII. Then there was the Cuban Missile Crisis. Surrounding these periods were xenophobic disinformation campaigns. so for Stan the Soviets were the enemy.

 

But labeling anyone in this show "the bad guys" is much harder than recognizing the concept of people being enemies.

 

So I don't find clarity that would make me cheer if Elizabeth or Phillip gets killed, or make me outraged if Stan were to be killed. To me they are three characters struggling to make sense of their circumstances.


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 11:07 PM

Sorry, I still disagree.  The Russians have always been the "bad guys" and still are.  Russian mafia and car theft/chop shop rings are active every where.  The country of Russia still lies to us and backs China against us all the time.  They seem to back whatever and whoever we disagree with when it comes to global politcis.

 

Regardless, I want who I view as the "bad guy" to get caught.  I like how they show Elizabeth viewing us as the bad guy.  I get her dedication and devotion.  But the show is taking place in America, not Russia.  Thus, from our prism, she is the bad guy.


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Posted 09 May 2013 - 12:20 AM

In the sense of the traditional "good guys versus bad guys" old western or WWII war movie I intellectually agree with your view.

 

But the Dictionary.com definition of "bad" throws me off in this show's scenario:

 

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I'm not emotionally comfortable with defining these characters using that definition. That's why I prefer to use "enemy":

 

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I know it's probably silly, but sometimes my gut makes these things complicated.


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Posted 09 May 2013 - 03:48 AM

"We will bury you", Nikita Khrushchev 18 November 1956. Red China, North Korea, the Warsaw Pact. All bi-products of Communist Russia. I still have Russian steel embedded in my hand and leg from when I was wounded in Vietnam. No doubt in my mind who the bad guys were then and still are today.
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