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Will Directv benefit from Dish price increase?


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#26 OFFLINE   lparsons21

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 08:58 AM

While Dish continues to lag far behind with a history of desperate and foolish gambles.


*sqawk* polly wanna cracker?

Dish isn't far behind in anything that matters. Plenty of shows to watch, great equipment and pricing that is nearly identical to Direct.

2 sides of the same coin for the most part.

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#27 OFFLINE   Hoosier205

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 09:03 AM

Dish isn't far behind in anything that matters.


Spin, spin, spin...
DTV = Digital Television

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 09:11 AM

While Dish continues to lag far behind with a history of desperate and foolish gambles.

Rather than joy-joy rhetoric and summary dismissals, do you have any meaningful (to the general populace) examples to support your statement?

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 09:29 AM

Spin, spin, spin...


Yes, you do a very good job of that, thanks for admitting it finally! :)

Of course you can publish your unspecified testing with unspecified Dish equipment at an unspecified point in time, all done by a person that has shown no expertise in doing all of that.

And of course, no history of ever actually having used Dish equipment at any time other than that unspecified testing.

On the other side you have me. I claim no expertise in the field, but I have had both services at different times. Both love/hate each of them, miss some things I had with D* now that I'm with E*, but then I missed some things with E* when I was with D*.

The single consistency that has always been the case is that E* equipment runs circles around the D* equipment. It is hard to go a day here without someone complaining about the speed of D* HRs. I can find no evidence of a single issue with E* that has such traction.

But yet, I'm the one spinning, right? :)

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 09:44 AM

Rather than joy-joy rhetoric and summary dismissals, do you have any meaningful (to the general populace) examples to support your statement?


Very high rate of customer preference for DirecTV over Dish
HD channel count is significantly higher for DirecTV
HD picture quality is clearly superior with DirecTV
Ethical business practices with DirecTV, not so much with Dish
Retrans deal competency obviously greater on the DirecTV side
DTV = Digital Television

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 11:59 PM

Very high rate of customer preference for DirecTV over Dish

So somehow the fact that DIRECTV has more customers is directly related to preference for the DIRECTV "Experience" and not some other factor? How many would drop DIRECTV in a heartbeat if they lost access (or never get access) to an important RSN that somebody else carries? How many DIRECTV subscribers don't have any idea that there may be an alternative?

DIRECTV's ETF was only recently matched by DISH and that goes a long way towards retention and keeping the ranks in line.

HD channel count is significantly higher for DirecTV

This requires supporting documentation along with a thoughtful interpretation of why there isn't total agreement on the subject.

For me, it comes down to quality of content and how much fresh content is involved. Having a channel that brings only a few hours of new content a month is arguably not as valuable as one that offers more or, in the case of some of the MTV channels, a schedule dominated by SD programming (Centric is awful on this count).

Adding another Showtime or another Cinemax brings fewer addtional movies than a DIRECTV Cinema channel whereas adding something like MAV TV or Outdoor HD brings a whole host of programming that doesn't show up on half a dozen other channels within a few weeks.

HD picture quality is clearly superior with DirecTV

This doesn't stand without interpretation either. Most who have auditioned both say that DIRECTV is sometimes perceptibly better and occasionally worse. Neither suggests a clear advantage.

Ethical business practices with DirecTV, not so much with Dish

When it comes to treatment of customers, DIRECTV has quite a few lawsuits going at any one time and more than a few instances of mis-billing and the ever-popular billing for non-return after they've received the equipment. Directv "surpassed" DISH by 109% in BBB complaints about their business practices in a survey released in August 2010.

Retrans deal competency obviously greater on the DirecTV side

Coming to a hasty agreement and coming to the best possible value are different goals. DISH filed suit against ESPN today for not giving them the same deal DIRECTV and others are getting. This isn't an ethical failing; it is a fiduciary responsibility.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 10:57 PM

Directv has a more high end feel to it's menu and guide interface. and they have a more genorous retention department. nfl sunday ticket only $199. more hd, more sports, and i just had dish less than 2 months ago I think directv has a crisper or sharper picture quality.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:53 AM

Personally, I think that any "advantage" one service holds over another is based upon a number of factors, but most important of these is content.

If you are a sports fan, especially a fan of a professional football team outside of your market, DirecTV is the obvious choice. Generally speaking, DirecTV carries more sports, and more sports in HD, than does Dish. However, if your priority is movie channels and general interest HD channels, then Dish Network is a better choice.

For most people, either service will likely meet most, if not all, of their needs. In these cases, which system they choose to get and keep will depend on other factors. Things like personal recommendations from friends and relatives.

If you have a large number of televisions to support, DirecTV's infrastructure is slightly more flexible but, again, most people will do well with either. Generally, hardware advantages tend to shift back and forth. DirecTV has, at various times, held an advantage with things like the first dual tuner DVR, support for the Tivo software, MRV implementation, etc. At other times Dish Network has held the advantage with the first DVR, or faster receivers, and commercial skipping, etc. How these factors influence buyers will naturally vary as well.

DirecTV has held a pure numbers advantage for the entire existence of both companies, due at least in part to having had a head start in the marketplace. Both services have grown tremendously over the past 15 years.

No doubt, they are different services in many ways. But different does not mean better or worse. Some people prefer DirecTV and would never think of switching. Others prefer Dish network and are totally commited to their choice. A sizable number of subscribers are not nearly so committed and will switch if they think it is in their best interests.

Rather than argue over why one is "better" we should celebrate the fact the market can support two satellite services that compete with each other for our business. That is nothing but good news for the quality of service, the innovations developed, and overall satisfaction of the consumer.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 12:58 PM

Well jeez Diana, if you are going to be all reasonable and everything....:)

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 05:37 PM

Dish DirecTV back and forth if 5 dollars or what ever it is makes you change then you might want to go back to the bunny ears.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 06:04 PM

I doubt many change over $5, but some like me switch and save from $400 to $600 in the switch depending on the deal being offered at the time. Some like me watch some sports and plenty of scripted shows and movies don't find all that much difference between the two services. And with recent price increases, both services are nearly the same cost after the deals expire.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 06:06 PM

I got a few more DirecTV circulars and sure enough the package discounts for the first year for new customers are back. They are calling their current promotion the "dream deal". With all their new charges and price increases it seems more like a nightmare to me.

DISH meanwhile, has magically stopped pushing "free HD for life" but pushes their worthless $19.95 package which does not get you a "free" Hopper.

One thing I have to say about DirecTV, if you get out a magnifying glass (literally) and read the fine print at the bottom of their ad they give you all the actual prices and terms of their offer. DISH on the other hand does not but peppers the ad with little lines like "additional fees apply" or "restrictions apply". That would make me suspicious right up front.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 11:16 PM

more movie channels on dish??? directv has more premium movie channels!

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 06:54 AM

more movie channels on dish??? directv has more premium movie channels!


Perhaps (I haven't counted them lately, but I'll take your word for it), however Dish has Epix and DirecTV does not. Whatever you think of Epix (and that topic has been beaten to death elsewhere) it DOES carry a different slate of movies than HBO/Cinemax/Starz/Encore/Showtime/TMC. So, it can be argued that you can see more different MOVIES (not channels) on Dish.

All of which is exactly my point...different does not mean better (nor does it mean worse).

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 07:14 AM

Perhaps (I haven't counted them lately, but I'll take your word for it), however Dish has Epix and DirecTV does not. Whatever you think of Epix (and that topic has been beaten to death elsewhere) it DOES carry a different slate of movies than HBO/Cinemax/Starz/Encore/Showtime/TMC. So, it can be argued that you can see more different MOVIES (not channels) on Dish.

All of which is exactly my point...different does not mean better (nor does it mean worse).

Most maybe not all of us DirecTV people got it because of sports. How much is epic worth to a person. And would someone please tell me what movies are on it that I can't get.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 11:52 AM

Most maybe not all of us DirecTV people got it because of sports. How much is epic worth to a person. And would someone please tell me what movies are on it that I can't get.


I'm not a sports fan but have been a DirecTV sub for over 11 years now. We originally switched from Dish in October 2001 because of the DirecTiVo DVRs. Dish's then current DVR, the original Dishplayer, only had a single tuner and we wanted a dual tuner DVR. The Dishplayer, BTW, had the best looking UI of any DVR I have ever seen.

We are still with DirecTV for 2 reasons. We now have 7 TV outlets in the house, with 5 DVRs (one of them an HR34) and getting a similar arrangement with Dish Network is difficult (multiple Hoppers, more complex wiring). Secondly, we have restricted line of sight because of tall trees around the property and Dish's eastern arc would be difficult for us to pick up.

I have considered moving to FiOS (we have it already for internet and phone) but I'm not willing to live within Verizon's whole home DVR architecture restrictions.

I'll just point out that I switched from cable to satellite in the first place many years ago over a single channel: SciFi (as it was known then). My local cable provider (Cablevision) didn't carry it.

So, my reasons for being with DirecTV have nothing to do with sports.

My point remains: while you may see no particular value in Epix, others do. Just because you don't think it has much value doesn't automatically invalidate the point that some people might choose Dish Network specifically because of that channel. To them, Dish Network is offering something of value they cannot get from DirecTV, at any price.

Everyone's choice is valid, even if you don't agree with it. Everyone can certainly voice their choice and the reasons for it. What is distressing is how quickly such discussions turn into the disparaging of another's choice and the denigration of their chosen provider. I'm not singling anyone out here, it is, and has always been, an unfortunate fact of life on forums like these, going all the way back to DBSDish in the mid 90's (when we also had Primestar and Alphastar to kick around). It just seems to me that saying or implying that one provider is "better" than another is like arguing over Tuesday being "better" than Wednesday - it all depends on your own individual experiences and perspectives.

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