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#151 OFFLINE   tonyd79

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 03:04 PM

What I'm saying is how many people out there are actually sports fans, and how many of them really care about ESPN. Average daily ratings instead of one time ratings for certain events gives you a better idea on those numbers.


I am saying they do not. Channels like ESPN are event driven. Not day to day watching driven. They peaks and valleys are tremendous. Look at NBC. They stink on a daily basis, but take away NBC the year they carry the Super Bowl and people will scream like greased pigs.

The same even holds for some regular channels. AMC's demand is almost totally driven by a couple of TV shows, not every day ratings.

Yeah maybe ESPN only costs $5 now (it very well might cost more) but when you look at the package prices you realize that can be as much as 10% of the package cost. And is that for all of the ESPN channels or just the main one? Also it may only cost $5 now, but next year it might be $6, then $7, etc. Meaning it is then 12% of the package cost, then 14%, etc. At some point it will reach a cost to where it is way too expensive to keep in the package since it's cost rises so much faster than all the other channels.


I don't have the numbers but I do remember that the main ESPN channel was much higher than the rest. The rest are more in the range of Viacom channels.

While ESPN is the whipping boy and they have set a trend of making sports expensive, they pay their way, so I will not pick on them for their price. The problem is not with ESPN. It is with all the RSNs that think they are worth as much or more than ESPN. The problem was set in place more by the Yankees and YES rather than ESPN, which delivers good value as an across the board station. But now we have the Lakers channel and the Dodgers channel and the Astros channel....and all of them think they are invaluable.
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 04:42 PM

Is there any hard evidence that that bundle is the case? There were all those fears that Longhorn would be shoved down systems throats; it didn't happen.

ESPN may not care about Longhorn enough to leverage the other networks.

The evidence of the bundle is which channels go away (or threaten to) when there is a dispute. Some channels are separate (perhaps purchased or launched later and not yet bundled) but I'd expect that ESPN's bundle is not just sports.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 07:32 PM

ESPN may not care about Longhorn enough to leverage the other networks.

The evidence of the bundle is which channels go away (or threaten to) when there is a dispute. Some channels are separate (perhaps purchased or launched later and not yet bundled) but I'd expect that ESPN's bundle is not just sports.


They may not but Occam's razor says if there is no evidence of forcing bundles, it didn't happen.

I'll bet they offer a big bundle but making it a requirement is a but different.
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 09:52 PM

ESPN may not care about Longhorn enough to leverage the other networks.

The evidence of the bundle is which channels go away (or threaten to) when there is a dispute. Some channels are separate (perhaps purchased or launched later and not yet bundled) but I'd expect that ESPN's bundle is not just sports.


ESPN / pac12 / big10 / Longhorns and other College networks should be in choice in market and sports pack out side of it.
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 01:22 AM

ESPN / pac12 / big10 / Longhorns and other College networks should be in choice in market and sports pack out side of it.


I agree with the P12, B10, etc...but I do think ESPN should be where it is at

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 05:58 PM

I agree with the P12, B10, etc...but I do think ESPN should be where it is at


I meant ESPN Longhorns
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Posted 07 May 2013 - 01:15 PM

That doesn't happen until 2016 and it alternates back and forth between CBS and TBS.

 

Final Four to be televised by TBS in 2014.  Championship game will remain on CBS, for now.

 

Look for TBS to extract significantly more per subscriber in the near future, because sports fans will not be denied.

 

Even if it means that PayTv subscribers continue to shoulder price hikes significantly above inflation.

 

 

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Men’s Final Four Is Moving to TBS By RICHARD SANDOMIR Published: May 7, 2013

TBS will start televising the Final Four of the N.C.A.A. men’s basketball tournament in 2014 and ’15, advancing the schedule contemplated in its 14-year, $10.8-billion contract with CBS that went into effect three years ago. In those years, CBS will continue to carry the championship game.

 

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 04:46 PM

Final Four to be televised by TBS in 2014. Championship game will remain on CBS, for now.

Look for TBS to extract significantly more per subscriber in the near future, because sports fans will not be denied.

Even if it means that PayTv subscribers continue to shoulder price hikes significantly above inflation.


************************ Men’s Final Four Is Moving to TBS By RICHARD SANDOMIR Published: May 7, 2013

TBS will start televising the Final Four of the N.C.A.A. men’s basketball tournament in 2014 and ’15, advancing the schedule contemplated in its 14-year, $10.8-billion contract with CBS that went into effect three years ago. In those years, CBS will continue to carry the championship game.

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I don't buy that three games will make a big difference in year round fees.
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Posted 07 May 2013 - 07:20 PM

 

I don't buy that three games will make a big difference in year round fees.

 

I don't either. Turner most likely already got a bump when they placed the majority of first two rounds on TBS, TNT and TruTV.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 12:27 PM

   

I don't either. Turner most likely already got a bump when they placed the majority of first two rounds on TBS, TNT and TruTV.

 

Maybe.  But I believe it will.

 

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The Final Four is coming to cable.'s Turner will televise the NCAA basketball semifinals in 2014 and 2015, with broadcasting the national championship game, the companies said Tuesday. Turner has been showing games from only the tournament's first three rounds on TBS and its other cable channels since 2011, while later games have all been on CBS.

 

Under a 2010 deal, Turner was to begin showing the Final Four in 2016, alternating every other year with CBS until 2024. The two say this remains on track and speeding up the transition was always an option. But the decision to do so likely owes much to Turner renewing many deals with pay-TV providers in the next few years. Airing must-see sporting events provides more power to raise fees.

As for splitting the games, that may have been a concession to CBS. It has its own plan to boost fees from pay-TV companies to $1 billion by 2017. Considering the NCAA deal's roughly $10.8 billion price tag, investors should hope it helps both companies score.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 03:16 PM

Maybe.  But I believe it will.

 

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The Final Four is coming to cable.'s Turner will televise the NCAA basketball semifinals in 2014 and 2015, with broadcasting the national championship game, the companies said Tuesday. Turner has been showing games from only the tournament's first three rounds on TBS and its other cable channels since 2011, while later games have all been on CBS.

 

Under a 2010 deal, Turner was to begin showing the Final Four in 2016, alternating every other year with CBS until 2024. The two say this remains on track and speeding up the transition was always an option. But the decision to do so likely owes much to Turner renewing many deals with pay-TV providers in the next few years. Airing must-see sporting events provides more power to raise fees.

As for splitting the games, that may have been a concession to CBS. It has its own plan to boost fees from pay-TV companies to $1 billion by 2017. Considering the NCAA deal's roughly $10.8 billion price tag, investors should hope it helps both companies score.

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Sorry, nope. Three games every other year is not going to be a big bump in money. They are foolish if they think so. And they haven't been paying attention to a changing sports landscape. Ask the Houston Astros. Ask the PAC 12. Ask the Longhorn Network.

 

But that would not fit with you sky is falling routine about sports.


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Posted 03 June 2013 - 04:54 AM

D* did another wonderful job on the French Open, but now coverage is being spread out over many channels. And one of those channels is ESPN3. Since DirecTV has long been the leader in Sports coverage why don't they have ESPN3?



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Posted 03 June 2013 - 05:28 AM

D* did another wonderful job on the French Open, but now coverage is being spread out over many channels. And one of those channels is ESPN3. Since DirecTV has long been the leader in Sports coverage why don't they have ESPN3?

 

 

1) ESPN3 (a/k/a Watch ESPN) is online only (if your ISP has a contract with ESPN you can watch on your computer).

 

2) The rights to watch ESPN3 on phones/tablets probably won't be made available to D* subscribers  until the next carriage contract is negotiated (maybe).



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Posted 03 June 2013 - 09:04 AM

There is some limited epsn3 stuff that is on some cable systems maybe directv can get the same feeds with the next contract.


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Posted 03 June 2013 - 12:03 PM

If Directv added the Pac-12 Network, the Longhorn Network, CSS, and CST along with ESPN Gameplan in HD, I would love them forever and never change providers!


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Posted 03 June 2013 - 12:49 PM

It's up to ESPN to offer the package in HD before any provider can. Unlike packages like Center Ice, Extra Innings, Direct Kick, and League Pass where the packages are created by the provider via whatever feeds they have access to, ESPN's packages come directly from ESPN PPV.

As of now ESPN is still using 6 SD only ESPN PPV channels to distribute Game Plan and Full Court to cable and satellite providers. To make it easier to order individual games by remote, DirecTV puts each game on their own channel, which is why some later games are joined in progress despite having their own channel slot on DirecTV.

Local channels and RSNs that carry the same games in HD come from ESPN's syndication arm ESPN Plus using wild feeds, unfortunately ESPN does not make these feeds available to providers for Game Plan and Full Court.

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 02:57 PM

I know the demand probably can't justify it since it is localized to serving one small state, but I sure wish they had Cox Louisiana as that's where i'm from originally. 



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Posted 03 June 2013 - 03:35 PM

It's up to ESPN to offer the package in HD before any provider can. Unlike packages like Center Ice, Extra Innings, Direct Kick, and League Pass where the packages are created by the provider via whatever feeds they have access to, ESPN's packages come directly from ESPN PPV.

As of now ESPN is still using 6 SD only ESPN PPV channels to distribute Game Plan and Full Court to cable and satellite providers. To make it easier to order individual games by remote, DirecTV puts each game on their own channel, which is why some later games are joined in progress despite having their own channel slot on DirecTV.

Local channels and RSNs that carry the same games in HD come from ESPN's syndication arm ESPN Plus using wild feeds, unfortunately ESPN does not make these feeds available to providers for Game Plan and Full Court.

Directv try to get the right to remap / pull in wild feed in HD and espn backed down I think they did not want to piss off the cable co's.


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Posted 04 June 2013 - 07:26 PM

One thing to keep in mind is that WatchESPN and ESPN3 are not necessarily one in the same.  ESPN3 content is generally internet specific content through contracted ISPs.  WatchESPN is for subscribers that have ESPN video subscriptions through every major provider except D* and E* and includes live video of ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU and ESPN3.


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Posted 06 June 2013 - 06:40 PM

One thing to keep in mind is that WatchESPN and ESPN3 are not necessarily one in the same. ESPN3 content is generally internet specific content through contracted ISPs. WatchESPN is for subscribers that have ESPN video subscriptions through every major provider except D* and E* and includes live video of ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU and ESPN3.

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