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#51 OFFLINE   inazsully

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 10:32 AM

"Run Circles Around"? "The slowest Dish DVR is Faster then the Fastest "D" DVR". What the #$#@ does that mean? If a Chevy goes 0-60 in 6.3 seconds compared to a Ford going 0-60 in 6.8 seconds, that's a comparison I can understand. Somebody somewhere sometime tested these DVR's and knows exactly how fast they are. How much lag time when changing channels? How fast do they scroll? How quickly do they respond to remote inputs? "Run circles around" is a meaningless statement. I'm certain that someone at "D" and "E" know exactly what those differences are because they compared them side by side on a test bench. Why is it that they can keep some secrets and not others? One thing for sure, if Chevy is faster than Ford they will go out of their way to tell you, and tell you, and tell you. Marketing 101. If you have an advantage, exploit it.

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#52 OFFLINE   lparsons21

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 10:43 AM

Channel changing is more controlled by HDMI handshaking than anything else. For that, the DVRs from both are about the same unless you have Native On as that adds to the time.

For all other functions, the speed difference is much different with all of E*'s DVRs being much quicker by a wide margin.

You may not believe it or like it, that is your choice. But it doesn't change what is actual truth. I've had both and done my comparisons. But speed of operation isn't why I would pick one over the other since I watch the shows much more than I diddle with the DVR! :)

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#53 OFFLINE   fudpucker

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 11:26 AM

I was a DirectTV subscriber for about 15 years, and I was always happy with them. Yeah, like every provider, they had issues here and there - surprise, they weren't perfect. I switched to Dish in 2009 because DTV didn't carry the locals here in HD at the time (they do now.)

My brother has DirectTV and he would never switch to Dish due to sports. But I get to see the latest DirectTV stuff on a regular basis, and compare it to my Dish setup. Frankly, I could live with either one and be happy. DirectTV was always, in my experience, much better at upgrading current customers to new technology for very little (from 1995 to 2009, I always had the latest DirectTV IRDs and DVRs and never paid for an upgrade in all of that time.) The Dish Hopper technology is probably better right now than Genie, but my brother is not unhappy with Genie at all.

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 06:24 AM

Somebody somewhere sometime tested these DVR's and knows exactly how fast they are.


Having owned an HR22-100 from DirecTV, I can tell you some of that. At one point the HR24 was the gold standard for a fast responsive DVR from DirecTV, but no longer. The issue is that *some* DirecTV DVRs are fairly responsive, while others with the same firmware and hardware are not, and nobody seems to know why. I waited two years for them to fix mine, and there was always the promise that the next firmware update would fix it (and firmware updates took six months or longer.) From turning on the (always on) unit to being able to select a program and start playback, the average time was 22 seconds. At random times, I could press a button seven or eight times before the DVR would respond to one button press. 30-second skip took about 2 seconds.

The issue of stopwatching is that it is highly unit dependent. How much space is left on your hard drive? How many tuners are doing something right now? How fragmented is the hard drive? When I first got my Hopper, it was blazing fast. As the hard drive has filled up, it's no longer quite so fast, but it is still very quick. I never have to push a button twice to get it to do something.

There aren't hard and fast numbers, but side-by-side comparisons have always shown the Dish DVRs to be faster. Sometimes a lot faster, sometimes just a little. But you're getting a slower DVR that can't do some of the things Dish's can, so I hope you're happy while you go through your 24-month waiting period.

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 07:41 AM

Having owned an HR22-100 from DirecTV, I can tell you some of that. At one point the HR24 was the gold standard for a fast responsive DVR from DirecTV, but no longer. The issue is that *some* DirecTV DVRs are fairly responsive, while others with the same firmware and hardware are not, and nobody seems to know why. I waited two years for them to fix mine, and there was always the promise that the next firmware update would fix it (and firmware updates took six months or longer.) From turning on the (always on) unit to being able to select a program and start playback, the average time was 22 seconds. At random times, I could press a button seven or eight times before the DVR would respond to one button press. 30-second skip took about 2 seconds.

The issue of stopwatching is that it is highly unit dependent. How much space is left on your hard drive? How many tuners are doing something right now? How fragmented is the hard drive? When I first got my Hopper, it was blazing fast. As the hard drive has filled up, it's no longer quite so fast, but it is still very quick. I never have to push a button twice to get it to do something.

There aren't hard and fast numbers, but side-by-side comparisons have always shown the Dish DVRs to be faster. Sometimes a lot faster, sometimes just a little. But you're getting a slower DVR that can't do some of the things Dish's can, so I hope you're happy while you go through your 24-month waiting period.


What can A dish Hopper do that a Genie Can't ?

 


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Posted 03 March 2013 - 08:01 AM

Well I agree with the 'be nice', but there are significant differences between the two, especially in speed of operation. The slowest Dish DVR will run circles around the fastest Direct DVR and that has always been true.

Otherwise each does things differently, with neither being sole owner of the 'best' way to accomplish different tasks. I've had both and there are things that D* does better than E* and vice-versa. It's a trade off.

Cost wise, the only way to save significant money with SAT service is to switch every two years or so as the retail costs are nearly identical since the last price increases and fee twiddling they both did.

Customer service is a wash with neither having a leg up, and that has been shown every time there is a new poll of customer satisfaction ratings. Both get pretty low scores with the spread between the two being nearly nil. When trying to get 'deals' with either the Magic 8 Ball is often used it seems in spite of all the fanboi bleating to the contrary.


i guess i don't watch enough TV............ the speed of the boxes means nothing to me. Had D* from 2001 to 2011, switched to E* in Nov of 11 and enjoyed the service. in Nov of 2012 i went back to D* at no cost to me. D* paid my ETF, and gave me all NEW equip. Never would have left D* but thought i got a great deal on a Bundle.........until the first 12 mos were up. (i didn't read the fine print) now i am back and love it, but do not see a BIG difference in the speed. I have the HR34 with one client . Had a VIP722K and a VIP211K with E*.:D:D:D

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 09:27 AM

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What can A dish Hopper do that a Genie Can't ?


Well, Autohop over ads on broadcast shows for one! :)

And the Hopper, as well as other current Dish DVRs, can do one search function that D* doesn't. With E*, you can be in the guide and hit the 'search' button and it will pull up search with the name of that show defaulted allowing for a search for a show of that name system wide. That is handy for sports and movies that show up on various channels.

Overall, both D* and E* dvrs do lots of things nearly the same with one being better or worse than the other on a given function. IMO, not something I lose sleep over, nor pick a provider about.

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 09:38 AM

The bottom line is that once you are with DTV or Dish, you get used to the DVR and yeah, one may be a little slower changing channels, etc. but unless you have both of them in your house at the same time, you get used to it. Then you're more focused on what shows/networks are available and the overall costs. And if you can't watch the shows/networks you want, you don't focus so much on the cost (since it isn't different enough per month to make it worth not being able to do what you pay the provider for, i.e. watch the shows and networks you prefer. BTDT, got the T-shirt.

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 09:50 AM

Fudpucker, for most of us I suspect you are right on. Certainly that is the way I look at it. I've had both at various times and just switched from D* to E* and am pleased with the switch, though I wasn't displeased with D*. Got a couple channels in HD that I wanted and saved some money to boot.

About what the Hopper will do that Genie won't. Here's a couple others. Save all timers in the remote so swapping a unit out is much simpler. Add an external HD that gives additional storage to the DVR, not replace it as D* does. And that drive and its info is tied to the account and not to a speciific DVR, very handy.

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 10:30 AM

Can one actually buy and own a DISH DVR or reciever? When I was with the other satellite provider one could only lease most pieces of equipment, even if one purchased it from Best Buy or EBay.


I own both of my receivers, so I would avoid the contract. Purchased both off of ebay from retailers that provide the numbers for you to check them out and verify they are good to go. Both were new and factory sealed, no re-manufactured units and I believe I got them at very reasonable pricing.

VIP 922 $230 with $15 shipping

VIP211K $93 with free shipping

Both were at my door step the next day fed ex.

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 10:48 AM

Yeah, Dish can't make a DVR as slow as the Genie. Dish can't remove PTAT. Dish can't disable auto-hop. Yeah, you might save a few bucks with DirecTV (most people don't), but you might end up with a 2-year contract sticking you with a heap of frustration with their horrible hardware. I can't remember being so happy about sending a box via UPS as I was in returning that hunk of junk HD DVR of theirs. Hope yours isn't a lemon.


There are things a Hopper can't do that a Genie can and vice versa. Each have pros and cons, both aren't the right solution for everyone.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 05:40 AM

The bottom line is that once you are with DTV or Dish, you get used to the DVR and yeah, one may be a little slower changing channels, etc. but unless you have both of them in your house at the same time, you get used to it.


Okay, let me tell you a little story about the final straw that made me switch from DirecTV to Dish:

I had my DVR set up to record a program off of TLC in the morning. In early afternoon, it was time for my preschoolers to have their TV time. I went downstairs, they sit down on the couch to watch their program, and I turn on the TV and DVR. There, in living color, is "A Baby Story" on TLC with lots of screaming and a very transparent oval to "cover" things. Press the List button. Nothing happens. Press the Guide button. Nothing happens. Press Channel Up to try to get away from the channel. NOTHING HAPPENS. 40 seconds after powering up the DVR, it finally brings up the program list. Another 15 seconds pass as it refuses to scroll quickly, or start playing the program. Nearly a full minute before I can get rid of something I really didn't want to have to explain to a small child.

So, yeah, you get used to it. You get used to pushing buttons and having nothing happen from time-to-time. You get used to a DVR that doesn't respond when you ask it to do something. And then, one day, you say, "You know what? It's 2012 and it's about time somebody built a DVR that was as quick as I am." I already had a DTVPal DVR for OTA, and it was blazing fast. I got a Hopper, and it hasn't let me down.

Oh, and I went through the whole thing with DirecTV where they promised me a new HD DVR to replace my old unit (which they would not admit was faulty in any way) along with a new 24-month contract. But they couldn't promise me a particular model number (we can't pick the model numbers of the receivers out there) so I would be playing receiver roulette that they installer would show up with yet another HR22-100. Or I could pay $200 to a third party and guarantee myself an HR24, but then I started reading where the HD GUI slowed even some of those down, and I threw up my hands and walked away.

Now, I've heard some people are very happy with the Genie. I've also heard that it is slower than a properly functioning HR24. Maybe it is. But I learned the hard way that DirecTV can't build a DVR that operates at a good-enough-for-my-needs speed, and they have a history of releasing firmware updates that make things worse as far as speed and responsiveness go. No thank you to DirecTV for all their "come back, we'll make it right" offers.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 06:21 AM

Does Dish guarantee new boxes? If someone has a 622 go bad, are they guaranteed to get a 722k or a bad Hopper with the new Hopper with Sling?

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 08:08 AM

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 09:09 AM

Does Dish guarantee new boxes? If someone has a 622 go bad, are they guaranteed to get a 722k or a bad Hopper with the new Hopper with Sling?



DISH's policy is to replace the receiver you have with another receiver of the same model number(normally a refurb),unless there are no more in their warehouse.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 09:44 AM

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What can A dish Hopper do?



This post gives a good idea.



http://about.dish.co...ce-and-control-


Then there's the little things I like about DISH's newer DVRs(922/813/913) the channel's logo is displayed in the guide.:)

Edited by Jhon69, 04 March 2013 - 09:55 AM.


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Posted 04 March 2013 - 11:17 AM

I own both of my receivers, so I would avoid the contract. Purchased both off of ebay from retailers that provide the numbers for you to check them out and verify they are good to go. Both were new and factory sealed, no re-manufactured units and I believe I got them at very reasonable pricing.

VIP 922 $230 with $15 shipping

VIP211K $93 with free shipping

Both were at my door step the next day fed ex.


Rduce,

Do you remeber who? I'd like to explore that.

Did you do the install?

pretty good pricing.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 11:39 AM

Rduce,

Do you remeber who? I'd like to explore that.

Did you do the install?

pretty good pricing.



If you like that,try here:

http://www.dishdepot.com/ ;)

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 11:11 AM

If you like that,try here:

http://www.dishdepot.com/ ;)


Thanks,will do.




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