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DEAL REACHED: Directv Customers may lose the Sinclair Stations Mar 1


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#26 OFFLINE   hdfan1

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 07:56 PM

Sounds like it may time to look at an AM21. Saw the message Sinclair put on the local Fox station and it is not worded in a way that gives much hope. If it was another station owner I would not be too worried but Sinclair is notorious for these disputes. I fully expect the stations to go off March 1st

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#27 OFFLINE   tonyd79

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 08:11 PM

I would lose three shows. Simpsons, Raising Hope and Arrow.
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#28 OFFLINE   Tom Robertson

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 08:37 PM

Our local CBS is on the list. That's the sad news. The really crappy news is how sinclair is whining about paying small fees to use the airwaves and saying "it isn't free." Have they seen how much the airwaves really go for!? AT&T spends billions just for the license, then they pay fees. Silly Sinclair. I see through their crap.

Does Sinclair deserve "some" money to be carried? Maybe. On the other hand, we gave them the airwaves and they really want as much coverage as they can get. Seems like more coverage is better and fees reduce coverage.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 10:06 PM

My first ever post...

Sinclair just bought the FOX/MyTV stations here in Wichita from Newport. Just found out about it on the FOX Kansas' Facebook page......

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 10:11 PM

Kind of glad I have a AM21 on my HR34 so all my clients will be able to still get KEYE via OTA.

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#31 OFFLINE   Tom Robertson

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 10:25 PM

My first ever post...

Sinclair just bought the FOX/MyTV stations here in Wichita from Newport. Just found out about it on the FOX Kansas' Facebook page......


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Yeah, it was the local station's facebook page that warned me too.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 11:46 PM

I can easily get along without NBC. So I won't be calling Directv about this like Sinclair wants me to! If Sinclair can do without Directv customers, I can do without Sinclair.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 01:14 AM

Our CBS is showing the banners as well.
These things are like PBS pledge drives. Except for greed's sake.
I love the way they ruin everyone's viewing pleasure by warning one provider's customers that they may lose their quality service.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 02:17 AM

I will lose CBS. I think that D* should give us the National feed until this s resolved, but I bet there is some kind of legal issue that would prevent that.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 03:28 AM

I will lose CBS. I think that D* should give us the National feed until this s resolved, but I bet there is some kind of legal issue that would prevent that.


There is;

Local stations have outdated exclusivity broadcast rights to their markets which the stations or their ownership groups regularly exploit in these disputes to exert pressure on the MSOs like DIRECTV here to deal with them.

As unfair and misused are these regulations by station groups like Sinclair may be.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 04:46 AM

Would lose the Fox station here...which can be easily picked up with cheap rabbit ear antennas. Would only be a PITA if for some reason I wanted to record Fox programming. Which I don't.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 06:53 AM

Interestingly I dont have a line item in the guide for NBC, but I have one for FOX. Our NBC station was bought by Sinclair and everything was finalized this past December.

As a side note it is really weird seeing an NBC station saying on its local news "see our sister station" and they cut away to Fox to advertise the news there.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 07:49 AM

Fortunately, despite what the station owners say before the existing contract expires, these disputes on DirecTV are usually resolved quickly. This deal does not affect me, but back in December we went through this with our local CBS and FOX stations that are owned by Capitol Broadcasting. They literally reached a deal at the 11th hour with no interruption of service. The contract expired at midnight on Dec 31, and the new agreement was anounced at 11:27 PM.

Other than Versus (now NBC Sports Network), which was dark for 195 days,, and the Viacom channels, which were dark for 10 days, I cannot think of a channel on DirecTV that went dark for more than a week. Most disputes are resolved without the channels ever going dark, but do not expext an agreement to be announced before the last minute.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 09:11 AM

$inclair is the worst when it comes to these disputes. They and the local cable provider go through this every couple of years as $inclair owns the local FOX affiliate.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 09:38 AM

Here is a list of stations to be affected.

Dish drops the DVR guide data when they pull stations. When DirecTV pulls stations, do you still get guide data for the OTA?
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 09:47 AM

Here is a list of stations to be affected.

Dish drops the DVR guide data when they pull stations. When DirecTV pulls stations, do you still get guide data for the OTA?


What I've seen in the past is there will be two listings in the guide for the OTA channel. If you enter just 42-1 for example you get the info slide, you need to go into the guide matrix and select the second 42-1 which does have the programming information in it. What I'm not sure of is will any series link you have set for 42-1 end up recording the info slide or the actual 42-1 or will we need to redo any SL for the second 42-1?

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 09:55 AM

Here is a list of stations to be affected.

Dish drops the DVR guide data when they pull stations. When DirecTV pulls stations, do you still get guide data for the OTA?


OK, so I am marginally affected. I stand to lose our local CW channel. I think 7th Heaven was the last show I watched on the CW, so for me, it is no big deal. I would have missed CBS and FOX, but I would never notice if CW is there or not.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 10:52 AM

I would lose CBS and That is the local channel that we watch the most at my house.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 10:53 AM

I can easily get along without NBC. So I won't be calling Directv about this like Sinclair wants me to! If Sinclair can do without Directv customers, I can do without Sinclair.


Hmmmm. I went to Sinclair's website and gave them a piece of my mind, even though I have no dog in the fight.
From what I've seen they've published, they are scum.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 11:23 AM

This will get done like it always does. I don't personally record any CBS shows - but March Madness is coming.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 11:45 AM

I'm in the Albany, NY DMA and Sinclair owns our CBS (WRGB) and The CW (WCWN). Here's for hoping they at least force DirecTV to carry the HD feed of the local CW which has been HD on cable for years now and is now HD on Dish.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 12:13 PM

I'm in the Albany, NY DMA and Sinclair owns our CBS (WRGB) and The CW (WCWN). Here's for hoping they at least force DirecTV to carry the HD feed of the local CW which has been HD on cable for years now and is now HD on Dish.


Amen. While we look at it from Directv's side, I am hopeful Sinclair wins these battles in the process.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 01:04 PM

Fox 66 in Flint is what I'll lose. I record The Following and other than that I won't miss it. These "disputes" are getting old. I honestly don't know why they do them. The customer is always the one getting screwed. We miss our shows then get to pay more down the road when the annual rate hikes kick in.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 01:11 PM

how many cities have a Sinclair channel in them


here is another site http://www.stationin...-owner/Sinclair that list each cities.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 01:19 PM

Problem is, most broadcasters are operating right on the verge of bankruptcy. Retransmission money is all that is keeping many of them afloat.
The networks have gotten their hands on some of that retrans money, too.

Without the money from retransmission, stations have to lay off employees, cut back on programming, and let technical issues slide. If the local stations get out of the way, the big networks will take over the whole thing. Think 6 or 8 bucks a month for ESPN is a lot of money? What will the major networks require you to pay for their expensive-to-produce programming? And, how many "add-on" channels will they require you to pay for, like it or not?

Don't think you are going to get free TV from the internet, either. Once they get the affiliates out of the way, you'll pay dearly for that programming....with your wallet, and with your (advertising-watching) eyeballs.

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