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DEAL REACHED: Directv Customers may lose the Sinclair Stations Mar 1


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#51 OFFLINE   RAD

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 01:24 PM

here is another site http://www.stationin...-owner/Sinclair that list each cities.


That list appears to be a little out of date, it doesn't include KEYE in Austin TX which was purchased a few months ago.

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#52 OFFLINE   harsh

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 01:33 PM

Although Sinclair does not believe that it is constructive to negotiate its private business relationships in public, Sinclair is informing the public in advance of the end of carriage because it is aware of the impact on a segment of the public from the end of the relationship between the Sinclair stations and DirecTV.

This seems to be little more than an indictment of DIRECTV in the court of public opinion as opposed to a important message to those impacted.

Maybe it will slow the hemorrhaging for some of DIRECTVs competitors but I don't see where this benefits many DIRECTV customers to go public. If you believe the party line, DIRECTV settles these things in due course. If you don't buy the dogma, it doesn't change the renewal cycle that has been going on since the FCC allowed the affiliates to charge for carriage outside of another incidence of cracking the doors on an otherwise closed-door negotiation.

It may impact the commitment status for those contemplating upgrading/adding hardware in the next few days but that's probably not a big cross section.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 02:15 PM

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 03:15 PM

Add WWMT Channel 3 to the list for Grand Rapids/Kalamazoo/Battlecreek MI DMA.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 04:10 PM

This seems to be little more than an indictment of DIRECTV in the court of public opinion as opposed to a important message to those impacted.



Their scroll is a total indictment of Directv and I am not sure where they get the "we dont want to take it public" from. This message is totally "taking it public"

"Attention Directv Customers. Beginning on March 1, 213 we no longer expect this station to be carried by Directv. This blackout of our programming will only affect Directv subscribers. Dish network and cable subscribers will not be impacted. Only Directv subscribers are expected to lose access to this station on March 1st. We apologize for any inconvenience and suggest Directv subscribers call Directv at 1-800-Directv or make alternative arrangements to continue to watch our great programing. Thank you"

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 04:33 PM

I am only loosing CBS21 and CW15... neither of them i watch....

So let them battle in there greed :lol:

Even if i did watch any of the stations, since i have been with Directv they have always worked out a deal before the plug was pulled or at worst case a few days after... so to me a few days with less channels wont be the end of the world!

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 08:34 PM

Sinclair owns ABC FOX AND CW in Columbus. That is a lot of channels that I watch.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 09:11 PM

I live in the Harrisburg OTA but far enough away to get the NY stations should they take away the locals. Considering CBS 21 is a pathetic channel that doesn't even have their syndication in SD, I say bring on the NY feed

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 09:19 PM

Hey Sinclair. I got 4 characters for ya! AM21 or HR20 :)

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 10:32 PM

My main question is: Will the HR20 and units with the external over the air tuner still be able to record these stations when and if they get pulled by the dispute?

As in my market area I will loose FOX & CW.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 12:15 AM

Since both Dish & Direct have OTA tuners, I wish they would give you a discount if you drop locals (and provide guide data for the OTA channels). Then the stations (and networks charging outrageous affiliation fees to the stations) wouldn't get a dime of my money.

Dish & Direct should also sell, install and service OTA antennas. It could be a new revenue source for them instead of loosing money for every customer to retrans fees.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 12:30 AM

Sinclair owns ABC FOX AND CW in Columbus. That is a lot of channels that I watch.



Yep we are really getting hit hard here out of c-bus.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:17 AM

As I said, I will lose CBS, but I only watch 1 CBS show. Will I still have access to CBS on demand if I lose my CBS channel? If that is the case, no big deal, I'll just watch my show OD.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 03:59 AM

dtv has a good negotiation rate, the march 1st thing is a scare tactic to say the least.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 05:40 AM

My main question is: Will the HR20 and units with the external over the air tuner still be able to record these stations when and if they get pulled by the dispute?

As in my market area I will loose FOX & CW.

:David


Yes, the OTA signal received by these units will record. You do have to change your recording options for those shows that you currently have series links for that involve the stations in question. Make sure you change those links to use the OTA channel and not the DirecTV channel. (They should have "-" , dash channel numbers. In our area Fox 17 is what we need, so I will change the recording options to 17-1 and the problem is solved.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 06:25 AM

I record too much TV. Lately I have been going through my series links and deleting series I have been watching out of habit.

I mention this because in Pittsburgh we are effected here with our Fox abd CW channels. The only series I record on either of these channels is the Following.

If I loose Fox I have plenty of other stuff to watch.

In my house, Kevin Bacon would be the big loser in this situation.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 06:57 AM

I would be losing ABC and CW. Maybe, I should send Sinclair Broadcasting an email expressing my ........................ :zzz:

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 07:46 AM

Thankfully I have an AM21 because those greedy buzzards not only own the ABC affiliate in my market, but they also just bought the FOX & CW affiliate as of the 1st of January.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 11:35 PM

I will lose CBS. I think that D* should give us the National feed until this s resolved, but I bet there is some kind of legal issue that would prevent that.


Very doubtful but it was done for a decent number of customers who lost their FOX networks with the Northwest Broadcasting dispute last year. They were given the FOX out of LA. Not all customers received them so I would imagine there are plenty of laws combating the ability to offer it.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 04:53 AM

Very doubtful but it was done for a decent number of customers who lost their FOX networks with the Northwest Broadcasting dispute last year. They were given the FOX out of LA. Not all customers received them so I would imagine there are plenty of laws combating the ability to offer it.


There's the problem. Too many laws preventing a service provider accessing a national network feed to it's customers during a carriage dispute.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 10:16 AM

I would be losing ABC and CW. Maybe, I should send Sinclair Broadcasting an email expressing my ........................ :zzz:


lol.. just wanted to point out, that made me giggle.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 10:31 AM

Thankfully I have an AM21 because those greedy buzzards not only own the ABC affiliate in my market, but they also just bought the FOX & CW affiliate as of the 1st of January.

But, as I understand it, DirecTV controls what appears in your program guide so if they remove the OTA channel from your guide your AM21 will be useless.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:21 AM

But, as I understand it, DirecTV controls what appears in your program guide so if they remove the OTA channel from your guide your AM21 will be useless.


Other than a problem for some with the -1 channel banner, they won't remove the OTA channels from the guide.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 01:18 PM

dtv has a good negotiation rate, the march 1st thing is a scare tactic to say the least.

Does that mean they'l pay whatever the broadcaster wants? I would think that Sicnlair needs DTV as much as DTV needs them. Sinclair losing a big viewer base can't impress their advertisers.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 01:29 PM

Does that mean they'l pay whatever the broadcaster wants? I would think that Sicnlair needs DTV as much as DTV needs them. Sinclair losing a big viewer base can't impress their advertisers.


Both need each other, no doubt, though one would think that leverage sides with the provider, as they provide the customer base, but this is twisted.
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