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Fox is attacking the Hopper, Sling Adapter and Dish Anywhere now


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#1 OFFLINE   dennispap

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 11:03 AM

http://www.multichan...l-battle/141846. Fox Takes New Tack in Hopper Legal Battle

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 11:16 AM

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 11:19 AM

Fox also says another recent addition, Hopper Transfers, makes its case for infringement. At the same time, Dish announced the streaming service, it unveiled Hopper Transfers, which allows subs to view recorded broadcasts on iPads for "on the go' viewing.


Isn't that the same as NOMAD for DIRECTV? Did DIRECTV get permission to do this while Dish did not?

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 11:20 AM

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This is a new issue. The other thread is about Dish's win in the last court case.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 11:55 AM

Isn't that the same as NOMAD for DIRECTV? Did DIRECTV get permission to do this while Dish did not?


I was wondering the same thing myself.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 12:12 PM

Yep, Nomad is essentially doing the same thing.

Fox is just slapping as much cr*p on the wall as they can to see what will stick. Frankly I don't think the suit will do much more than enrich a bunch of lawyers on both sides of the table.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 12:59 PM

From the multichannel article -
"Among the harms Fox cites are 1) increased piracy risk to its programming; 2) devaluing that programming in negotiations over digital download deals with Amazon or itunes; 3) unfairly competing with Fox's own proprietary Internet distribution of web sites and mobile apps; 4) and that Internet viewing will siphon off viewers from traditional channels measured by Nielsen's C3 metrics, on which advertisers rely to set rates."

#4 - Fox (and the other networks) should be pursuing this with Nielson.

#3 - they can solve that one themselves by offering the online versions as t the same time they are broadcasting it

#2 - so what ?

#1 - Consider it fortunate that some people even consider your programming worth "pirating".....
You CAN put antennas on your owned and/or controlled property...

http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 01:35 PM

Since moving the shows with Sling to an iPad or whatever way the Nomad does it is nothing more or less than what any dvr does and has been doing for year, this is just crap for fodder building.

Making my 'dvr' (ie; iPad) portable doesn't change anything.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 01:58 PM

Making my 'dvr' (ie; iPad) portable doesn't change anything.


You mean besides making it portable?

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 02:26 PM

Yeah, besides making it portable. That is not a significant change to how a DVR works and unless all DVRs become illegal, you won't see that part of Fox's crap throwing accomplish much.

I'm very firmly convinced that only the lawyers will 'win' in this case.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 02:38 PM

Yeah, besides making it portable. That is not a significant change to how a DVR works and unless all DVRs become illegal, you won't see that part of Fox's crap throwing accomplish much.

I'm very firmly convinced that only the lawyers will 'win' in this case.


I'm not taking any sides here (I don't even have Dish), but to me, making a DVR portable IS a significant change.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 02:58 PM

Then the Nomad is also an issue as is any other tech that takes video portable.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 03:12 PM

I wouldn't overemphasize the attack on the Sling element. Having a Hopper with Sling built in just gave Fox another shot at the same issue discussed in the DISH Cheers Ruling on AutoHop, PrimeTime Anytime thread. Fox wants to get rid of the auto ad skipping. The built-in Sling complicates the issue for Dish because it extends the auto ad skipping.

There is a chance that Charlie moved too fast in adding the Sling as it raises new issues, even contractual ones - many Fox programs are available with a few ads to Dish customers from the Fox web site through an iPad or other tablet or computer or smart phone because of a "special" agreement. The real issue is auto ad skipping.

EDIT: It took me time to find this thread Fox Full Episodes Delay for DirecTV but not DISH? that relates to the contractual issue Dish may run into.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 06:49 PM

Then the Nomad is also an issue as is any other tech that takes video portable.


I think Directv is smart in this one because they don't advertise it much like it don't exist unlike the genie or hopper/sling with ipad transfer.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 10:59 PM

I think Directv is smart in this one because they don't advertise it much like it don't exist unlike the genie or hopper/sling with ipad transfer.


Which may also be why they can transfer content with DRM and not delete it from the receiver. Maybe HBO and max haven't noticed that or it isn't worth going after since tithe nomad has such a small user base.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 11:25 PM

I love Fox network, but I have been using a remote forever to cut the sound down and up and down and up since before there were remotes (off the chair on the chair off the chair) for 55 years because of COMMERCIALS.

They are wrong in trying to stop us from not listening to crap we don't want to listen to; I love some commercials...."There's only six ahead of us Jimmy!"....Broom factory witch......"Just a man and his apps"..and many more.

If the networks want us to NOT cut out their clients crappy commercials, maybe they should instruct their carriers...the television stations..to control the VOLUME between the shows and the commercials. You know, the same people who say they NEVER EVER raise the volume on the COMMERCIALS.

We wouldn't need the Hopper or skip ahead if the sound wasn't so D... LOUD.

Fox, and the rest of you networks, stop this stupidity and fix your problem, don't screw with our ability to NOT LISTEN TO IT because of an innovative company trying to help us and make a profit doing it. It's called American Ingenuity.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 04:00 AM

If the networks want us to NOT cut out their clients crappy commercials, maybe they should instruct their carriers...the television stations..to control the VOLUME between the shows and the commercials. You know, the same people who say they NEVER EVER raise the volume on the COMMERCIALS..

FYI, since December there's been a law in place that requires the volume to be consistent. If you are still seeing that commercials are louder than the program you can complain here:
http://www.fcc.gov/g...oud-commercials

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 11:03 AM

DISH Hopper Jumps into the Daytona 500, Appears on FOX Despite Network Censorship of the Brand

* DISH appears on FOX through a virtually ad-free No. 95 car piloted by Scott Speed
* Satellite TV provider demonstrates its passion for speed as FOX attempts to slow down consumers' viewing experiences

ENGLEWOOD, Colo.--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- DISH is hopping into Sunday's Daytona 500 race through its sponsorship of the Leavine Family Racing's No. 95 DISH Ford Fusion to be piloted by up-and-coming driver Scott Speed. Other than the Hopper logo, the car will be virtually ad-free, meaning consumers will see the DISH brand on FOX in spite of the network's ongoing refusal to air ads for DISH's consumer-friendly Hopper™ Whole-Home HD DVR.

"The world of technology moves fast, but FOX keeps trying to wave a yellow flag and put consumers under caution, attempting to slow their access to the best in TV entertainment," said DISH President and CEO Joe Clayton. "The Hopper is in the pole position as the fastest in the consumer technology race. We are giving consumers what they want, when they want and where they want it. FOX is trying to hold up traffic. You can't stop the future."

As the Hopper, which was named a "Best of Show" among more than 20,000 products featured at the 2013 International CES, prepares to take to the speedway, FOX has made yet another attempt to slow down consumers' viewing experiences and ability to watch content in a manner that meets their preferences.

Late Thursday night, FOX Broadcasting's lawyers launched another attempt to block DISH from offering certain consumer-friendly features on the Hopper Whole-Home HD DVR, after months of unsuccessful attempts to thwart Hopper's AutoHop and PrimeTime Anytime features.

"Everybody skips commercials, and if FOX, CBS, ABC and NBC think that's illegal, well I guess that makes us a nation of outlaws," continued Clayton. "We might as well make the No. 95 car the DISH fans' getaway car in what is sure to be an exciting race on Sunday!"

Fox also wants to prevent viewers from accessing the recorded television shows they have already paid for while on the road. For race fans, the Hopper is great for catching recorded race highlights and other coverage at the hotel after the race.

DISH is proud to sponsor up-and-coming driver Scott Speed at the Daytona 500. Speed is no stranger to racing and his diverse career in driving includes qualifying for the Formula One team in 2006. Speed became the first American to race in Formula One since Michael Andretti in 1993. His recent success in qualifying for the Daytona 500 makes him a great contender for Sunday.

"I'm a big DISH fan and am excited to return to Daytona International Speedway Sunday with the Hopper riding shotgun," said Scott Speed. "Hopper is great for people like me -- we can record more programming and take our favorite shows with us."

To track Speed and the Hopper as they race around the track, follow @DISH and @scottspeed and search the hashtag #adfreetv, or visit http://www.facebook.com/ScottSpeed and http://www.facebook.com/DISH.

Source: DISH Press Release

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 04:29 PM

I have said this before... I find this to be the height of hypocrisy by Dish...

Mad at FOX because FOX says "no commercial skip"... but also mad at FOX for not accepting Dish Hopper commercials.

Think about that... Dish wants Hopper ads to air on Dish, presumably because they want others to see those commercials and come to Dish... but once with Dish they don't want you to see other commercials.

Sorry, but this doesn't work for me.

I like skipping commercials, and I would probably use the auto-feature if I had it... but I get why the networks don't want it AND obviously Dish does too, hence why they are calling out FOX for not airing Dish commercials.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 07:21 PM

I have said this before... I find this to be the height of hypocrisy by Dish...

Mad at FOX because FOX says "no commercial skip"... but also mad at FOX for not accepting Dish Hopper commercials.

Think about that... Dish wants Hopper ads to air on Dish, presumably because they want others to see those commercials and come to Dish... but once with Dish they don't want you to see other commercials.

Sorry, but this doesn't work for me.

I like skipping commercials, and I would probably use the auto-feature if I had it... but I get why the networks don't want it AND obviously Dish does too, hence why they are calling out FOX for not airing Dish commercials.


Come on. If DISH didn't want you to watch commercials they'd simply make autohop mandatory. They give you the CHOICE. That's a huge difference.




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