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Fox is attacking the Hopper, Sling Adapter and Dish Anywhere now


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#81 OFFLINE   tsmacro

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 04:12 PM

It seems the courts haven't been very sympathetic to the networks complaints against the Hopper so far.


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Posted 23 September 2013 - 04:12 PM

"A federal court Monday denied Fox Broadcasting’s request to block two of the Dish Network’s Hopper DVR place-shifting features — although the judge found the broadcaster could prevail at trial." That's what Todd Spangler wrote in Variety a short time ago.

 

In response, Dish Executive Vice President and General Counsel, R. Stanton Dodge said in a statement (a press release, actually), "Today's decision is the fourth in a string of victories for consumers related to our Hopper® Whole-Home DVR platform. DISH is pleased that the Court has sided again with consumer choice and control by rejecting Fox's efforts to deny our customers' access to the DISH Anywhere and Hopper Transfers features. We will continue to vigorously defend consumers' right to choice and control over their viewing experience." But why is DISH all caps? Does it stand for something now?

 

Anyway, as Spangler noted, this was the first legal attack on Sling even though Sling has been around since 2005 and has been under Dish's corporate umbrella since 2007. Losing Sling would be a real downer, so I'm happy to see that it hasn't happened yet.

 


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Posted 23 September 2013 - 04:14 PM

D'oh! I should have posted my Fox-Dish news in this thread instead of starting a new one. Good thing the moderators can fix stuff like that.  :righton:

 

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 04:17 PM

Meh, stuff happens. It was buried a ways down, thank goodness for the search feature or I would've done the same thing!


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Posted 23 September 2013 - 06:08 PM

But why is DISH all caps? Does it stand for something now?


It stands for the best entertainment available for a monthly fee! :)
It is a common way to state the company name ... if you type it DISH then people know you are talking about DISH Network. Not a generic dish.
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Posted 23 September 2013 - 10:26 PM

I sometimes watch old 70's and 80's commercials on YouTube. If the commercials today were as interesting and entertaining, I wouldn't hop over them. Actually I wish there was a way to subvert the new commercials and insert the old ones. TV would be a lot more entertaining!


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Posted 24 September 2013 - 09:54 AM

You all do know this was only a rejection of an injunction to shut down the ad skipping feature of the Hopper.  The trial is still yet to come.  So DISH can ultimately lose.


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Posted 04 November 2013 - 10:44 AM

Do you really think the providers - Dish, DirectTV - aren't making money on the networks? You think the networks should give Dish and DirectTV the right to use their programming to make money for free?

 

TV antenna manufacturers make money because of the OTA networks. I suppose they should have to pay the network stations, also.  Ignoring DVRs and the issues they add, all Dish is doing is acting as an antenna.

 

Dish is already paying most of the network stations for carrying their programming.  So, I personally don't have a problem with Dish making it easier to skip commercials. I suspect that this whole issue will be settled in the future by Dish paying a little more to the stations to make up for the lost ad revenue.  Dish might even offer a "discount" on locals to subscribers that don't enable the "auto-skip" option. 

 

Also,Dish might be able to provide the stations with detailed stats and demographics about people who actually do see the commercials and specifics about which commercials they specifically watch or skip.  That kind of information should be something the stations (and advertisiers) might value and something else Dish could offer to placate them.

 

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 12:07 PM

I sometimes watch old 70's and 80's commercials on YouTube. If the commercials today were as interesting and entertaining, I wouldn't hop over them. Actually I wish there was a way to subvert the new commercials and insert the old ones. TV would be a lot more entertaining!

 

The 70s were far more risque than today.

 

Can't imagine any of the networks airing this Namath/Fawcett spot for Noxema.

 


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Posted 04 November 2013 - 01:52 PM

You all do know this was only a rejection of an injunction to shut down the ad skipping feature of the Hopper.  The trial is still yet to come.  So DISH can ultimately lose.

 

I'm sure most are aware of that.  But the fact that they can't get an injunction to stop it is an indicator that the court isn't so sure they have a case.


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Posted 04 November 2013 - 04:57 PM

I'm sure most are aware of that.  But the fact that they can't get an injunction to stop it is an indicator that the court isn't so sure they have a case.


Injunctions are normally given if there is more harm in allowing something to continue than ending it. This is one of the cases where any harm that is done to the broadcasters by DISH can be compensated by money. If an injunction was granted and the broadcasters later lost there would be harm to DISH that may not be as easily compensated.
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Posted 04 November 2013 - 07:17 PM

The 70s were far more risque than today.

 

Can't imagine any of the networks airing this Namath/Fawcett spot for Noxema.

 

 

nah, they are too busy playing Viagra and lawyer ads.

 


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Posted 07 January 2014 - 12:55 AM

I'm bringing this thread up because maybe there's someone else here who is as slow as me at reaching the "aha" moment about TV technology.

 

As I understand it the new SuperJoey/Hopper combination gives the owner five receivers each simultaneously capable of recording a different program. This matches the Genie as I understand it. Xfinity customers with an X1 can record up to four shows at once "while viewing a fifth program on the same DVR." I've got to believe that Xfinity's owner Comcast, which also owns NBCU, has already made sure that fifth program viewing could fairly easily become a fifth recording.

 

And virtually all are providing some variation of supplemental "on demand" viewing. And everybody is scrambling to get all the viewing extended to portable devices.

 

Does it really matter if the Hopper can record at prime time simultaneously an additional 3 channels on that one tuner and autoskip commercials on those four recordings? Haven't the networks already lost the war? People want the option to skip commercials. Even the owner of NBCU understands that.

 

Technology is moving way too fast for the lawsuits against AutoHop and other "innovations" to make any sense. By the time it gets to the Supreme Court, the Hopper will have been replaced with some version of goggles that display any content you want them to, anywhere, at any time, with commercial skipping. :grin:


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Posted 07 January 2014 - 07:38 AM

The Wright Brothers lost a presence in the airplane industry because they stopped innovating and spent all their time defending their patents, while the rest of the airline industry exploded past them through innovation.  Same thing is happening here with TV technology.



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Posted 07 January 2014 - 08:07 AM

I'd REALLY like to see the DMCA taken apart and basically abolished from the present form.  The media lawyers have been abusing it for too long.  I can understand them wanting to protect their bank accounts and country club memberships by limiting piracy, but they're way off base in regards to what home users can record, how, when and what they can do with it as long as it isn't re-sold.

 

The NAB, MPAA and RIAA all need to be ripped apart too.  Only a few companies owning nearly all of the media outlets will never be good for the consumers.


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