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#41 OFFLINE   joshjr

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 10:12 AM

I emailed before I read we should call. We have three significantly viewed channels in our area (CBS, NBC, FOX). Here are the results so far.

CBS no response.

FOX says I should contact Directv to get my local fox or switch providers. I believe this was an automated response because of the recent carriage dispute they were having that just ended. I have to try this one again later.

NBC says "We are going to have to do some research on this as. We will be in touch." So there maybe some hope here.

Will keep you posted on how it goes.


I find that a lot of these need education on what it is we speak. Their first thoughts are its not possible or legal usually. Assuring them its legal and that you know people in your area want their station goes along ways.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 10:20 AM

What are the call letters for the station you are after? I will see what I can find out.

I need a Phone Number for WNBC NY channel 4
WNYW Fox 5

My WBNG 12 I had just called and left a Message with their GM.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 10:34 AM

i need a phone number for wnbc ny channel 4
wnyw fox 5

my wbng 12 i had just called and left a message with their gm.


wnbc 212-664-4444
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 10:39 AM

wnbc 212-664-4444

Awesome thanks will call now!

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 10:43 AM

Here's the Fox number ..... 212-452-5555
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 10:44 AM

Thats not the Number, Thats someones Disconnected Cell phone
212 -664-4444

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 10:52 AM

Here's the Fox number ..... 212-452-5555


This one worked, Left message!

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 11:00 AM

I find that a lot of these need education on what it is we speak. Their first thoughts are its not possible or legal usually. Assuring them its legal and that you know people in your area want their station goes along ways.


Both stations I got in contact with responded back but with the same response "we're not in that DMA." I don't think many stations know about the SVC list and don't seem willing to fight it. Seems to me it'd be good for them, get paid more money for more viewers. And for me at least having the SVC added would be good for DirecTV, the area I am in a huge tourist area with a very heavy SF Bay Area influence and adding a Bay Area channel would be a great addition and reason for people to switch from cable (which offers it) to DirecTV.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 11:02 AM

Thats not the Number, Thats someones Disconnected Cell phone
212 -664-4444


Not a direct number but here is a number to call and who to ask for. He is the GM. Michael Jack - 866-639-7244.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 11:04 AM

Both stations I got in contact with responded back but with the same response "we're not in that DMA." I don't think many stations know about the SVC list and don't seem willing to fight it. .

If cable carries them ,Then they are in your DMA.;)

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 11:04 AM

Both stations I got in contact with responded back but with the same response "we're not in that DMA." I don't think many stations know about the SVC list and don't seem willing to fight it. Seems to me it'd be good for them, get paid more money for more viewers. And for me at least having the SVC added would be good for DirecTV, the area I am in a huge tourist area with a very heavy SF Bay Area influence and adding a Bay Area channel would be a great addition and reason for people to switch from cable (which offers it) to DirecTV.


List out the stations call letters, what DMA they are in, what town, county and DMA you live in and I will call the stations and see what I can do. It may or may not be today but I would be happy to push them a little for you to get them to understand what they gain by doing it.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 11:09 AM

If cable carries them ,Then they are in your DMA.;)


That is not always true. Cable has different rules as to what they can import in. They are not near as restricted as Satellite. In my town, until later last year the Cable Co was importing another DMA's NBC and it was the only station from that DMA that was not on the Significantly Viewed list. The only reason that station was dropped was that the town preferred a different station from the other DMA. Not to mention since NBC was not on that list the cable co did have to black out all duplicated programming.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 11:18 AM

List out the stations call letters, what DMA they are in, what town, county and DMA you live in and I will call the stations and see what I can do. It may or may not be today but I would be happy to push them a little for you to get them to understand what they gain by doing it.

Can you do the same for Monroe County, PA which is in the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre DMA? Our list currently has:
WCBS NYC
KYW Philly (CBS)
WNBC NYC
WNYW NYC (Fox)
WPVI Philly (ABC)
WCAU Philly (NBC)

The big station that is missing from the list is WABC, I really want to see them join.

Our local Blue Ridge Cable system also has the following stations that should join the list too:
WWOR NYC (MyNet)
WPIX NYC (CW)
WLVT Allentown (PBS, while non-commercial stations aren't eligible for the SV list it would be nice to get an additional option for PBS programming)
WFMZ Allentown (Independent station in the northern part of the Philly DMA that covers local news from the northern suburbs of Philly to the Poconos)

At one point they also had WPSG and WPHL out of Philly but they dumped them to make room for our local MyNet affiliate when it launched.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 02:53 PM

Well I got confirmation from WBNG 12 NY.

even though they are significantly viewed, If they are outside your DMA, there is nothing they can do. Thats right from the GM.

They said they have contracts that will prevent a neighboring CW from Entering their DMA. This forces you to watch your own market CW.

He said if its in their DMA, like 2 countys in Pa are, and Directv did not provide WBNG 12 to them, but carried some other market CW, then he could force Directv to add them as well.

But since Wayne is outside their DMA, even though its significanly viewed it doesn't matter.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 03:05 PM

Thats not the Number, Thats someones Disconnected Cell phone
212 -664-4444


Sorry about that... I got it off the FCC site.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 03:06 PM

Sorry about that... I got it off the FCC site.

Thats OK LOL!:lol:

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 03:13 PM

Well I got confirmation from WBNG 12 NY.

even though they are significantly viewed, If they are outside your DMA, there is nothing they can do. Thats right from the GM.

They said they have contracts that will prevent a neighboring CW from Entering their DMA. This forces you to watch your own market CW.

He said if its in their DMA, like 2 countys in Pa are, and Directv did not provide WBNG 12 to them, but carried some other market CW, then he could force Directv to add them as well.

But since Wayne is outside their DMA, even though its significantly viewed it doesn't matter.


Unfortunately this happens from time to time. Now its up to you if you want to accept that or possibly go higher up. It seems some stations are really reluctant to get involved with this. Keep in mind its usually neighboring DMA's so I image in some cases the two affiliates GM's know each other and are not willing to encroach on the others territory.

These battles are very similar to getting waivers approved. A few years ago before the law changed, I had to get approval from 3 different NBC stations even though only 1 was in my DMA. One of the ones that was not in my market straight up told me that they dont approve waivers. I had to inform him that I understood for his own DMA but I was not part of his DMA. He still refused until I called the owners of the company and explained it to him and forced him to sign off on it for me. It was sad. At that time we did not get our locals from DirecTV as there was no agreements with our DMA's stations. The funny thing is that my own DMA's NBC approved but this one in Arkansas (don't live in that state or DMA) refused. I am glad the owners helped me with the problem.

None of this stuff is easy and wont always work out. Its just a possibility and I like to exhaust all my options before I give up. I wonder if this guy would soften up if he had a few more people in that area call him requesting it. Something else you could do is see if he is offering his channel to another county that is out of his DMA on a cable system. It is more common on cable but for me I would call back and ask why he is okay with doing it on cable but not satellite. I know the laws are different but he didnt refer to the laws and more to agreements. I would think based on his response he wants to be standard across the board. I bet if you look hard enough, they are giving their signal to a out of market cable company.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 03:20 PM

NEPDatavision which serves portions of Susquehanna, Lackawanna and Wayne Counties in the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre market have WBNG and several other Binghamton stations:
http://www.nep.net/i...php/tv/channels

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 03:25 PM

NEPDatavision which serves portions of Susquehanna, Lackawanna and Wayne Counties in the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre market have WBNG and several other Binghamton stations:
http://www.nep.net/i...php/tv/channels


Told ya. I would call back and ask about it. I would say I know what you said but I wanted to understand why an out of DMA cable co can get your station here but not DirecTV. Since that is kind of a slam I would then try to let him know how bad you want his channel and why.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 03:27 PM

Something else you could do is see if he is offering his channel to another county that is out of his DMA on a cable system. .

They do give it out to other countys, BUT the Laws are different for cable, I was told their used to be a rule of thumb, If it can be picked up OTA with the proper equipment then cable can offer it.
Well thats most likly a grandfathered rule. And does not apply to Satellite TV.

The in market Networks have to approve the Out of Market networks, If they don't then Law and contracts forbid them. In my case the Scranton Wilkes barre local Fox 56 they already forced out Fox 5 NY from cable line up.

I don't know what you did to get what you got, But I don't see thats its possible. They have contracts, they aren't going to break them and get sued to give me another CW.:)

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