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#26 OFFLINE   harsh

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 04:36 PM

Or did Panasonic pull the plug since they were the sponsor of the channel?

That DIRECTV removed it from the uplink suggests that they (and Panasonic) are done with it for now.

In the mean time, the 3D offerings seem to be tending toward less instead of more.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 04:52 PM

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One would think they have a lot more important things to spend time & $ on.


Trademarking is a very smart way to make money.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 07:56 PM

IF that is what he's referring to then I would like to ask what networks currently broadcast in 1080P. How is it the fault of DIRECTV if FOX is in 720P and not 1080P?


Well what networks currently broadcast in 4K? I think maybe that was his point

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:02 PM

Well what networks currently broadcast in 4K? I think maybe that was his point


Chances are the 4K programming will only be PPV too. He said maybe they should get 1080P working first, what is not working?

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 06:42 AM

Chances are the 4K programming will only be PPV too. He said maybe they should get 1080P working first, what is not working?

On Directv side 1080p is working fine.

But no networks are even 1080p at all. His point along with mine why spend all that money on addtional equipment and PPVs on 4K when not even one network is in 1080p yet, let alone 4 K.
And they can't even get their software they have now profected on their HR's. So what Now, HR54?
I think they should invest their money into what we have now, get all the kinks worked out of the current receivers.

And someone said it best , they want to try and grab the "high end customers"

And I say good luck.:)

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 09:35 AM

Trademarking is a very smart way to make money.

Perhaps you're confusing trademarking with patenting. It doesn't seem reasonable that someone other than DIRECTV would want or need to use a DIRECTV trademark.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 02:45 PM

Why would any network bother buying new equipment to upgrade their stations editing/distribution/uplink/etc from 720p/1080i to 1080p now? That would seem to be a pretty poor use of funds. It would make much more sense for them to upgrade straight from 720p/1080i to 4K whenever a standard gets set and hardware starts getting more available.

Perhaps you're confusing trademarking with patenting. It doesn't seem reasonable that someone other than DIRECTV would want or need to use a DIRECTV trademark.


Not really, just ask Proview. They made a pretty penny selling apple their trademark for the name iPad in China.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 02:57 PM

. It would make much more sense for them to upgrade straight from 720p/1080i to 4K whenever a standard gets set and hardware starts getting more available.



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OK, then who would view it? All the customers that don't have 4k TVs?

I don't even see Networks Doing 4K at all!

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 03:25 PM

I see networks doing it eventually, but it won't be done widely for quite a while like 10 years or so. Just like HDTV. It's been around for quite a while, but it's just now getting to where it is the norm.

I think in a couple years we will see it used for PPV and events, and then eventually the early adopter stations like HBO, Cinemax, Showtime, etc. Maybe Mark Cuban will come out with 4KNet and 4KNet Movies.

1080p though I think would just be a waste of time/money for the networks. DirecTVs existing hardware only works with 1080p24, and I don't see them coming out with new hardware just to allow 1080p30 or 1080p60. TV stuff is mainly done in 30 or 60Hz framerates, as opposed to movies which are usually done as 24Hz. Not to mention there would be very little benefit to upgrading a channel from 1080i60 to 1080p30 or 1080p60. Most people wouldn't even be able to tell the difference. You would get more of an impact by just increasing the bandwidth of the channels rather than trying to switch to 1080p30 or 1080p60.

Upgrading a channels infrastructure to go from 1080i to 1080p would just be a waste of money. Upgrading from 720p to 1080p may make a bit more sense, but still probably won't happen.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 04:03 PM

Sweet! With a 4k channel, they could have a mix channel with 32 feeds! All the RSN's on 1 channel! (If by all, you mean the NY DMA ;) )

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 03:45 AM

Most Networks now are in 720p or 1080i, You think they are going to run to 2160p? They aren't even 1080p yet.

If 2160p is going to become the standard HD television several years from now, what's the logic in making the jump to 1080p now? You might as well wait to make the jump to 2160p.

OK, then who would view it? All the customers that don't have 4k TVs?

I don't even see Networks Doing 4K at all!


And how great is 720p going to look on a 2160p screen?
I have been a DirecTV subscriber since 2005.

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CSPAN3, the PAC-12 Network(s), BBC World and more international news channels.

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 09:03 AM

If 2160p is going to become the standard HD television several years from now, what's the logic in making the jump to 1080p now? You might as well wait to make the jump to 2160p.



And how great is 720p going to look on a 2160p screen?


When everyone has a 2160p tv then ask that question.;)

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 07:02 AM

And how great is 720p going to look on a 2160p screen?

The same as 1080i will look.

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 11:05 AM

Either way someone saw it wasn't pulling in the customers to justifiy the cost.


Panasonic pulled back on a ton of projects.

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 02:04 PM

Panasonic pulled back on a ton of projects.

Why?;)

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 02:10 PM

I see networks doing it eventually, but it won't be done widely for quite a while like 10 years or so. Just like HDTV. It's been around for quite a while, but it's just now getting to where it is the norm.

I think in a couple years we will see it used for PPV and events, and then eventually the early adopter stations like HBO, Cinemax, Showtime, etc. Maybe Mark Cuban will come out with 4KNet and 4KNet Movies.

1080p though I think would just be a waste of time/money for the networks. DirecTVs existing hardware only works with 1080p24, and I don't see them coming out with new hardware just to allow 1080p30 or 1080p60. TV stuff is mainly done in 30 or 60Hz framerates, as opposed to movies which are usually done as 24Hz. Not to mention there would be very little benefit to upgrading a channel from 1080i60 to 1080p30 or 1080p60. Most people wouldn't even be able to tell the difference. You would get more of an impact by just increasing the bandwidth of the channels rather than trying to switch to 1080p30 or 1080p60.

Upgrading a channels infrastructure to go from 1080i to 1080p would just be a waste of money. Upgrading from 720p to 1080p may make a bit more sense, but still probably won't happen.

New trend started recently, so expect more and more movies shoot at 48 fps.

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 04:39 PM

New trend started recently, so expect more and more movies shoot at 48 fps.


Unless it was mainly a matter of getting just above the flicker fusion rate in order to conserve needed film footage, I always wondered why the film industry settled on 24 fps and not 48 anyhow?

Considering that even a basic film projector exposes each film frame twice or 48 Hz.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 11:57 AM

Unless it was mainly a matter of getting just above the flicker fusion rate in order to conserve needed film footage, I always wondered why the film industry settled on 24 fps and not 48 anyhow?


That's it exactly -- a compromise between three things: avoiding flicker, not using up too much film, and the fidelity of the soundtrack. Two additional benefits were that 24fps is a pretty easy number to deal with for the film editors (easier than something like 22.5fps), and it was easy to produce motors that ran at 24fps for the cameras and projectors.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 09:02 AM

Why?;)


Losing money by the bucketload - mostly on the TV side; but, the standard corporate response is to unload even profitable segments to make the balance sheet look instantly improved. Often way too shortsighted a move - but, sometimes it helps.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 09:21 AM

Losing money by the bucketload - mostly on the TV side; but, the standard corporate response is to unload even profitable segments to make the balance sheet look instantly improved. Often way too shortsighted a move - but, sometimes it helps.

Exactly, you don't have demand, its a flop.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 09:40 AM

New trend started recently, so expect more and more movies shoot at 48 fps.


I realize this, but my argument still stands. It wouldn't make much sense for DirecTV or the TV stations to upgrade hardware just to get to 1080p whether it's at 24, 30, 48 or 60 framerates. There just isn't that big of a difference between that and 1080i60.

4K (or 2160p) however is an investment that may make sense. I was reading a thread over on AVSForum, and evidently some stations are already looking into it, or have already begun to upgrade their equipment so they can edit/master shows in 4K. I guess they even have some 4K equipment set up in the vans they use for live sporting events and they have used it at some events and even broadcast it in 4K to certain venues.

Here's one thread I read about it in this morning.

http://www.avsforum....ion-feasibility

When everyone has a 2160p tv then ask that question.;)


Last I knew only about 70% of homes had HDTVs, and less than 50% of homes have more than one. Does that mean we shouldn't have HDTV channels and hardware, since not everyone has HDTVs?

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 12:04 PM

Last I knew only about 70% of homes had HDTVs, and less than 50% of homes have more than one. Does that mean we shouldn't have HDTV channels and hardware, since not everyone has HDTVs?


No , but untill we finish what we start, we shouldn't outsource our resources on High priced Premium programming option that don't even exist yet, let alone most people can't afford.
Why not get the bugs that been an issue for these HR's for so long worked out? How about giving a current customer who wants an upgrade a break , instead of " sorry thats for New customers."

Sorry our bills are high enough right now, Why should the vasy majority of Directv customers watch their investments get pissed away on another Yuppy rich customers, with more money they know what to do with, wet dream.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 08:01 AM

No , but untill we finish what we start, we shouldn't outsource our resources on High priced Premium programming option that don't even exist yet, let alone most people can't afford.
Why not get the bugs that been an issue for these HR's for so long worked out? How about giving a current customer who wants an upgrade a break , instead of " sorry thats for New customers."

Sorry our bills are high enough right now, Why should the vasy majority of Directv customers watch their investments get pissed away on another Yuppy rich customers, with more money they know what to do with, wet dream.


So you're anti-innovation. Got it. If you had your way DirecTV wouldn't develop products, services, and technologies for future use. Yep...that makes sense.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 09:23 AM

So you're anti-innovation. Got it. If you had your way DirecTV wouldn't develop products, services, and technologies for future use. Yep...that makes sense.

No if I had it my way, We would have fast responding HR's where everything works perfectly everyday.

Not when it feels like it.

Like I said, why don't we fix our issues first before we create more.

The amout of HR34 threads I see everyday , the amount of bugs I see from it.

Not to mention the other HR's
Are they acceptible boxes , Sure. But they can still use a few fixes first!


Here my list.

HR 34 has to be reset, every 2-3 days cause H25's won't play recordings. See's the list fine, Just give a message their was a playback issues, Try later.
Next then when downloading on demand ,and watching live tv , the screen shakes/jumps.
Audio dropouts on occasion when switching channels, sometime needs a reset.
Pandora, gets stuck sometimes exiting to regular programming and requires a reboot.
I'm sure if I look at the HR 34 forums I can recall more.
Maybe drop the Guide Ads, that may help.:
So unless Directv is going to hand us all HR44's we are just stuck!

But lets get that 4K out so we can screw these machines up more!
But I'm sure I'm the only one that has the defective equipment!:rolleyes:

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 10:40 AM

No if I had it my way, We would have fast responding HR's where everything works perfectly everyday.

Not when it feels like it.

Like I said, why don't we fix our issues first before we create more.

The amout of HR34 threads I see everyday , the amount of bugs I see from it.

Not to mention the other HR's
Are they acceptible boxes , Sure. But they can still use a few fixes first!


Here my list.

HR 34 has to be reset, every 2-3 days cause H25's won't play recordings. See's the list fine, Just give a message their was a playback issues, Try later.
Next then when downloading on demand ,and watching live tv , the screen shakes/jumps.
Audio dropouts on occasion when switching channels, sometime needs a reset.
Pandora, gets stuck sometimes exiting to regular programming and requires a reboot.
I'm sure if I look at the HR 34 forums I can recall more.
Maybe drop the Guide Ads, that may help.:
So unless Directv is going to hand us all HR44's we are just stuck!

But lets get that 4K out so we can screw these machines up more!
But I'm sure I'm the only one that has the defective equipment!:rolleyes:



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