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NBC reportedly ready to retire Jay Leno


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#51 OFFLINE   TomCat

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 06:17 PM

One more...

Those interested in this thread should read "The War For Late Night" by Bill Carter, which details the entire Leno/Conan fiasco from top to bottom. Carter apparently had unprecedented access to the real deets of this misadventure; it is as if he were in the room during every meeting. It is the best non-fiction book I have read other than the Walter Isaacson biography of Steve Jobs.

And, I believe the late night show is going to be around for a while, and will certainly outlast Leno and Letterman. Who should they get to replace Letterman, or Fallon if he jumps up to The Tonight Show?

Daniel Tosh.
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#52 OFFLINE   Lord Vader

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 07:55 PM

If Carson was a "100" no current performer is more than a 45.

IMHO,

Leno - He is just not a very bright person. I really think he does not really get many of the jokes he tells. If they wrote a joke on the cue cards about Secretary of State Fred Thompson, he would read it with the same delivery as now.

Letterman - Used to be really good, but has grown in the last five to eight years into a one-sided political cheapshot artist. He should understand that Carson did political humor equally at both sides, all in fun, and without an agenda.

O'Brien - One of those Harvard types that thinks he is oh, so, funny. Isn't.

Stewert - See Letterman, above, but without the residual talent.

Kimmel - The next generation's lead guy. Broader appeal than Fallon.

Fallon - Will do well at 11:30, but not as well as Kimmel. Very urban.


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I agree 100% with your comment about Letterman. He has turned into a partisan, bitter, left-wing hack, and this pushed me away. I can take making fun of the Right or the Left, but when it's completely one-sided like Letterman has become, and in a bitter manner, then I no longer find it funny or entertaining. (Never mind the fact that Letterman is just plain ignorant when it comes to political facts.)

I tune in to Letterman once per year, and that's the annual Christmas show where Darlene Love performs. It's a simple tradition that I enjoy.

FAITH: I find the lack of it disturbing.

Opinions are my own but should be those of all Americans, who would be much better off intellectually, psychologically, and emotionally if that were the case.


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Posted 08 March 2013 - 07:58 PM

Sam, I hope you will forgive me for attempting to read between the lines, but just because someone does not agree with your personal political views (which you are entitled to) does not make that something to judge their level of talent on. To me, Letterman and Stewart are two of the three funniest people on earth (and don't even get me started on Howard), but they probably seem funnier to me because I often agree with their political opinions.


It's a known fact that Jon Stewart is a liberal, yet I find him funny and his show entertaining. I don't find Letterman that funny anymore or entertaining, yet he's liberal. There is a difference between the two. Stewart doesn't hesitate to rip those on the Left, while Letterman rarely, if ever, does. Dave's just a bitter, old coot now.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 09:04 PM

Letterman vs Leno ... Letterman for me, though lately I'm liking Kimmel. Also record Conan. Gotta give those Genie tuners a workout each night. It's nice to pick and choose from the 4 shows at the end of the week and catch the highlights. Can't say that I've ever paid any attention to any political aspects of it, just looking for a good laugh and interesting guests.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 12:05 AM

Jay Leno has been talking to the media for years about ending his Tonight Show gig...so I suspect this is a mutual decision that "the time has come". Not really any surprise...

That may indeed be the case now, but in 2004 when they announced that Conan would take over in 2009, he did not make a public stink about it, but the reports are that he saw that as a full-on slap in the face from NBC. He felt that NBC tried to push him out, and I see no reason why he should not continue to feel that way after recent events. For him to change that view in the last 4 years is what would be surprising.

But then Jay should not have been surprised, either; Johnny did not want out; he was pushed out by NBC to make room for...who again? Jay. Johnny wanted 30 years, but got only 29. If you count the daytime show, Letterman has 32.

I know that the infamous biting "Carsenio" routine from SNL, which Johnny got excised from all repeats and syndicated repeats of SNL, really hit home. It also probably helped kill Dana Carvey's career just from how pissed Johnny was. I wonder if that is even on YouTube?
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 01:28 AM

I know that the infamous biting "Carsenio" routine from SNL, which Johnny got excised from all repeats and syndicated repeats of SNL, really hit home. It also probably helped kill Dana Carvey's career just from how pissed Johnny was. I wonder if that is even on YouTube?

It is on NBC's SNL site:
http://www.nbc.com/s...ll-show/n10088/

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 04:14 PM

Guess I'm done with Dave after last night. (And I would think maybe too maybe a few [food and/or beverage producing] sponsors.)

As far as Jay goes, I haven't watched much in the last few years, but will tune in usually based on a personality or musical guest (not very often).

It became more evident to me (after he got the TBS gig) that the Tonight Show was simply too big for Conan, and that where he is now seems a much better "fit" for him.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 04:20 PM

Since I don't watch Letterman anymore, I didn't see last night's show. What happened that made you post your above comments?

FAITH: I find the lack of it disturbing.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 05:23 PM

Since I don't watch Letterman anymore, I didn't see last night's show. What happened that made you post your above comments?

The large beverage hating mayor of NY was a guest. :)

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 05:23 PM

Don't tell me. Dave was praising him and agreeing with the mayor's attempt to run people's lives.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 06:53 PM

Yup. After incessantly making fun of the guy for years, he’s suddenly (and pathetically) trying to suck up to him, now?

That and he’s just not funny anymore. Even just a few years back you could count on getting at least a laugh or two. I could even respect him somewhat for not sucking up to celebrities (unlike Jay) while they come on to plug their “wares,” especially when played for comic effect. Isn’t the main reason people watch these late-time shows is to get a laugh? One thing I would say about the guy is that he can be generous toward comics (both veterans promoting something, and newer ones making 1st and 2nd network appearances).

It’s just unfortunate that he seems to be unable to keep from making an a** of himself when it comes to political issues. By far Dave’s not the only one, but lately seems the worst.

I was already “on the fence” but last night just pushed (and put) me off.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 07:39 PM

That is where I like Jon Stewart ... Jon pushes the politics aside when it comes to getting a laugh. The Daily Show is about getting laughs - and although politics enters in he'll go after anyone for the laugh.

On the large drink issue Jon has had a field day. Jon and his writers love irony.

Most of the late night people are in the same rut formula ... and while Jon's show has it's own rut there is a uniqueness to it. And while guests come on his show to push their latest product/project Jon often turns the interview into anything but a plug.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 07:41 PM

Interesting. For years now, I've recorded both Leno and Letterman and watched only the few interviews I wanted to see. Bloomberg was not one we wanted to see.

On the other hand, if he were on Stewart's show I'd watch it.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 07:50 PM

On the other hand, if he were on Stewart's show I'd watch it.

If Bloomberg were on Stewart's show the first thing Jon would do is pull out a 32 oz drink ... or two. (He pulled one out on NY Police Commissioner Ray Kelly on the February 15th show.)

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 07:51 PM

I doubt he'd go on Stewart's show, because Jon would rip into him. With Letterman, the mayor is among friends.

FAITH: I find the lack of it disturbing.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 07:02 PM

Looks like it's closer to a done deal, and moving back to New York.

http://www.nytimes.c...allon.html?_r=0

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 08:18 PM

Maybe it's just me, but I don't find Fallon that funny at all. In fact, of all the current night show hosts, I think he's the least funniest.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 03:54 AM

http://www.hollywood...-fallons-430079

Apparently decision in now one of when. NBC wants February, during or after the Winter Olympics (time zones would mean it is 7 hours later in Russia, so no live events in late night).

Cannot happen soon enough.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 05:17 AM

as a kid I liked Johnny
As a teenager I liked Letterman
As an Adult I enjoy Stewart/Colbert and tolerate Letterman and Ferguson
But I have never found any fondness for Leno or the others.
I have never made it through an entire Leno show.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 07:12 AM

For me, Jimmy Fallon is out of his league as a talk show host. He was funny on Saturday Night Live but his talk show host skills have a lot to be desired. When I watch his show, I cringe. Unfunny to say the least. I don't think he is even close to be the "best of the lot". If he takes over the tonight show, it will tank.

I would rather have Craig Furguson. He's a bit silly but at least shows a commanding presence on the stage. Fallon is weak and needs to crawl back into his SNL hole.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 08:27 AM

as a kid I liked Johnny
As a teenager I liked Letterman
As an Adult I enjoy Stewart/Colbert and tolerate Letterman and Ferguson
But I have never found any fondness for Leno or the others.
I have never made it through an entire Leno show.


You're not supposed to! The opening monologue is well written, well delivered, and yes, a few tank, but mostly a bunch of real laughs.

I liked Jack, Johnny, and Letterman on Late Night. Can't stand him today.

Fallon is likeable, and his takes on singers is great, but not much else. Ferguson is maybe too goofy for the staid Tonight Show.
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 08:30 AM

I'd rather watch paint dry than Leno.
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 08:43 AM

For me, Jimmy Fallon is out of his league as a talk show host. He was funny on Saturday Night Live but his talk show host skills have a lot to be desired. When I watch his show, I cringe. Unfunny to say the least. I don't think he is even close to be the "best of the lot". If he takes over the tonight show, it will tank.

I would rather have Craig Furguson. He's a bit silly but at least shows a commanding presence on the stage. Fallon is weak and needs to crawl back into his SNL hole.

Ouch! That is pretty harsh, Chris.

I am not a big fan of any of the late night shows*, but of the lot, Fallon is, by far, the most talented. He is a very funny guy who demonstrates a balance of physical comedy, shtick and cerebral reparté. Given time to mature, I think Jimmy easily has the potential to develop into a late night host approaching Carson's caliber.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 09:54 AM

I'd rather watch paint dry than Leno.


I don't want to watch Leno dry either.
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Posted 28 March 2013 - 05:28 PM

It is on NBC's SNL site:
http://www.nbc.com/s...ll-show/n10088/


I have seen it on reruns as well. I have to admit that Carvey's career took a nosedive but I don't think this had much to do with it.
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