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NBC reportedly ready to retire Jay Leno


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#101 OFFLINE   djlong

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 04:41 AM

Sure, "The Jay Leno Show" was cheaper to produce but local affiliates were talking about dropping NBC entirely because of how it was killing their 11PM news ratings.

So, yeah, they might have made a few dollars from the 10PM slot, but lost affiliates could have built into something that would have basically obliterated the network.

I know the local Boston station was openly talking about pulling the NBC plug. Shortly thereafter, the whole NBC-ousts-Conan-for-Leno drama happened.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 06:12 AM

My parents are in their 70's and prefer Fallon over Leno "any day". Age has nothing to do with it.
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 06:46 AM

Looking at their ratings now, I highly doubt he will outdraw what Leno has done. I bet you said the same thing about Conan, and we all know what happened to him.


Nope. Never did like Conan at all. Fallon is funny, Leno less so, Conan only to a certain age segment. Even with that Conan might have succeeded if he had not been screwed by Leno. Leno and Letterman each have had their own fan base. Fallon will steal some of Letterman's and retain most of Leno's.
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 07:05 AM

How did Leno "screw" O'Brien?
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 07:14 AM

How did Leno "screw" O'Brien?


Leno gave up his late night spot to Conan but then when Jay's early time slot was a total flop he booted Conan out of the deal. Because of contracts, Conan couldn't appear anywhere for a year or two.
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 08:28 AM

Jay's consistently pulled the ratings against more and more competition. The network has been in the cellar for years while he still manages to pull #1 in the segment. I can't imagine affiliates leaving over Leno while the Prime Time schedule is so dismal.

Letterman himself recently acknowledged Jay's comedic prowess, telling Oprah he thinks Leno is "the funniest guy I've ever known."
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 08:35 AM

Sure, "The Jay Leno Show" was cheaper to produce but local affiliates were talking about dropping NBC entirely because of how it was killing their 11PM news ratings.

So, yeah, they might have made a few dollars from the 10PM slot, but lost affiliates could have built into something that would have basically obliterated the network.

I know the local Boston station was openly talking about pulling the NBC plug. Shortly thereafter, the whole NBC-ousts-Conan-for-Leno drama happened.


Of course now days those affiliates would probably love to have Leno back at 10 pm! He got higher ratings than just about anything NBC has put on at 10 pm since. Guess it's a case careful what you ask for.


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Posted 04 April 2013 - 09:19 AM

Leno gave up his late night spot to Conan but then when Jay's early time slot was a total flop he booted Conan out of the deal. Because of contracts, Conan couldn't appear anywhere for a year or two.


Jay did? Really?? If he had that much power, what were the suits at NBC doing recently to him?

Management moved O'Brien out of The Tonight Show, and Leno back in. Yes, no doubt what Leno wanted, but he didn't screw O'Brien, who really didn't fit NBC or The Tonight Show. And it was management's contract that prohibited O'Brien from competing for a set period.
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 10:25 AM

O'Brien failed because the show SUCKED with him as host, not because Leno wanted him to or forced him to fail.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 10:52 AM

Leno never had and still doesn't have that kind of power. The only person who had near as much power was Johnny Carson. When Johnny told NBC executives to jump, they asked, "How high?"

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 10:57 AM

O'Brien failed because the show SUCKED with him as host, not because Leno wanted him to or forced him to fail.


Oh, yeah, that, too! :eek2::sure:

And several very important locals wanted O'Brien gone, gone, gone....

Another thought: I rather think that Leno didn't fight real hard on contract renewal. Last few months he's been phoning it in, in subtle and not so subtle ways, as well as stepping up his attacks on NBC management and ratings failures. It's time for a long vacation for him.
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:03 AM

Did you ever stop and think that he didn't fight hard because either he didn't want to, or because he thought it futile, or because he realized it would be a futile effort to fight the NBC execs? I'm not trying to be argumentative with you; rather, I'm just throwing it out there that I wouldn't doubt Leno personally thought to himself that while he would make NBC the butt of many of his jokes, he wasn't going to fight the whole thing, especially since Jay has always liked doing stand-up, and leaving NBC lets him get back into that.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:25 AM

Did you ever stop and think .....


Yes, I do just that on occasion.

My premise, unstated as I thought it obvious, was as you've detailed. He was ready to leave that particular stage.
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 01:55 PM

Jay did? Really?? If he had that much power, what were the suits at NBC doing recently to him?

Management moved O'Brien out of The Tonight Show, and Leno back in. Yes, no doubt what Leno wanted, but he didn't screw O'Brien, who really didn't fit NBC or The Tonight Show. And it was management's contract that prohibited O'Brien from competing for a set period.


And it was Jay's contract that allowed him to move back to the late night job when his ratings were zero for the earlier time slot. It was a joint effort between NBC and Jay.
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 07:18 PM

And it was Jay's contract that allowed him to move back to the late night job when his ratings were zero for the earlier time slot. It was a joint effort between NBC and Jay.


Effort! To collude, in order to screw O'Brien, huh? No, again you cannot back off from your original statement far enough to touch on the truth.

Jay's ratings at ten were good for ten P.M.; O'Brien's sucked for 11:30.
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 08:06 PM

One fault I can find with Jay was that when he took the 10pm slot he said "I can still say stay tuned for Conan". I do not recall that happening on his 10pm show.

Jay played innocent through most of the shuffle. Doing the network's bidding when pushed to 10pm. When that didn't work letting others push for a 11:35 show (Conan at midnight?). The mess was finally resolved with Jay returning home to Tonight, Conan out the door and George Lopez the loser.

Jimmy Fallon is the winner. Who would have thunk that after four years on the goofball show after Tonight he would be offered the prime slot? Kids these days don't have to work as hard as the generations before them. :)

How many years did Dave prepare for his Tonight Show slot? The natural successor ended up elsewhere ... and while Jay was not a nobody off of the street he was not "next in line". Perhaps NBC thought they could have it all - update the Tonight Show with a permanent guest host (Jay) and keep the popular aftershow (Dave). But they got it wrong.

It probably was not the first thing NBC got wrong but it seems that NBC has been declining ever since. The joke about "not slipping in to sixth place" is closer to reality than it should be.

NBC needs to turn the trend around. Dropping popular hosts is not the way to do it.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 09:20 PM

IIRC, I believe that Letterman was Carson's preferred choice to replace him. If true, it would seem that as he was nearing the end of his tenure with NBC, Johnny's power waned considerably.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 08:48 AM

IIRC, I believe that Letterman was Carson's preferred choice to replace him. If true, it would seem that as he was nearing the end of his tenure with NBC, Johnny's power waned considerably.


That rings a bell. I recall seeing a docu-drama on the whole succession thing quite a while ago, but don't recall any details.
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:40 AM

IIRC, I believe that Letterman was Carson's preferred choice to replace him. If true, it would seem that as he was nearing the end of his tenure with NBC, Johnny's power waned considerably.


Yes, he was Johnny Carson's choice.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 12:03 PM

The best night host, was Steve Allen.

Everyone else, at best, have been a distant second.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 05:45 AM

In two years, when the dust settles:

Kimmel will be #1 on ABC
Fallon will be #2, but draw enough of a crowd to make money for NBC
Letterman will have retired, and be replaced by, nobody, with CBS returning to its "Crimetime after Primetime" format of showing reruns of its owned popular crime drama shows about three weeks behind current, a pure profit format.
O'Brien's contract will have been allowed to quietly expire.
All of the smug political commetators on all of the cable channels will have fallen from fashion as the nation tires of all the condensentaion from above.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 08:56 AM

In two years, when the dust settles:

Kimmel will be #1 on ABC
Fallon will be #2, but draw enough of a crowd to make money for NBC
Letterman will have retired, and be replaced by, nobody, with CBS returning to its "Crimetime after Primetime" format of showing reruns of its owned popular crime drama shows about three weeks behind current, a pure profit format.
O'Brien's contract will have been allowed to quietly expire.
All of the smug political commetators on all of the cable channels will have fallen from fashion as the nation tires of all the condensentaion from above.

Yep, interesting ... I do think that Kimmel is the best now of all of them, he's really come into his own, he's learned from Dave and Howard and interviews well, and he's quick with his comments. If you really listen to him he's really good with his responses to all guest comments. I'm also still a big Letterman guy as well but Dave probably only has a few more years. Fallon while a good guy just never seems comfortable when he's interviewing, it always seems like he has a nervous laugh, and Leno drives me nuts with his "I just gotta ask you something" in every interview over and over and over again. I also record Conan and he's ok when he has a good guest. I usually record all of them on the Genie and then catch the highlights during the week when I have a chance. And I usually ignore all politics in general anyway so not sure I ever notice any of the political items that have been mentioned here.
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Posted 06 April 2013 - 10:45 AM

Letterman will have retired, and be replaced by, nobody ...

No love for Craig?

One of the biggest issues I see is asking people to do a show that is different than the one that made them popular. The Tonight Show is the professional place to go for a late night TV appearance. Late Night is an aftershow with a less formal format. There may be some tweaks to the format as a host changes show but the hosts change format to match their new show.

Telling Conan he could have The Tonight Show but "you can't do THAT on The Tonight Show" makes the show different. And even if the networks do not interfere with the format there are different expectations of the 11:35 slot than the 12:37 slot. Perhaps Fallon will be not change - but I doubt it. He will end up doing someone else's show.

All of the smug political commetators on all of the cable channels will have fallen from fashion as the nation tires of all the condensentaion from above.

That is a completely different issue ... but don't expect the cable commentators to ever go away. They will change over time but it seems that the trend is to have more commentators at a time shouting over issues than to get away from commentary and get back to "just the facts" reporting.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 11:56 AM

The best night host, was Steve Allen.

Everyone else, at best, have been a distant second.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 07:43 AM

No love for Craig?


Love him. I just don't think he will work at 11:30 and not against two younger guys, both with a head start at building an audience. The Market really has not yet spoken in regard to 3, or 4 if you count O'Brien, idntical format shows in the same time slot.

CBS can think outside the box, and, with the #1 primetime lineup and no profit on the backside (it does not own USA Network, the eventual destination of most of these shows) it can do a pure profit squeze of a few more $$ out of its shows and pick up a different demographic, and pick up the vaunted "cord cutters".




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