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NBC reportedly ready to retire Jay Leno


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#81 OFFLINE   Lord Vader

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 12:50 PM

I'm not predicting Fallon will totally bomb, but who wants to bet that his show's ratings won't be as good as Jay's?

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 01:21 PM

I'm not predicting Fallon will totally bomb, but who wants to bet that his show's ratings won't be as good as Jay's?


I suspect that his ratings will be better than Jay's. I personally never did like Jay so it was a no brainer to watch Letterman. Didn't matter who the guests were, I caught Letterman for the monologue as I never found Leno the least bit funny. Now that there will be competition in that time slot, I'll probably go with whoever has the most interesting guests on any particular evening.
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Posted 03 April 2013 - 02:04 PM

I suspect that his ratings will be better than Jay's.

I suspect maybe at first but Fallon will lose the older demographic very quickly. The younger audience will need to hold him up if he wants to survive.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 02:29 PM

I suspect that his ratings will be better than Jay's. I personally never did like Jay so it was a no brainer to watch Letterman. Didn't matter who the guests were, I caught Letterman for the monologue as I never found Leno the least bit funny. Now that there will be competition in that time slot, I'll probably go with whoever has the most interesting guests on any particular evening.


I used to prefer Letterman over all the others, but Dave isn't even that funny anymore. The last couple years he has turned into an extremely partisan, bitter left-wing coot who does nothing but constantly rip on anyone right of center. I like political humor, but I do NOT like it when it's completely and consistently lopsided.

I suspect maybe at first but Fallon will lose the older demographic very quickly. The younger audience will need to hold him up if he wants to survive.


Considering that Leno's ratings are fairly high, and that he pulls in viewers from their 20s through senior citizens, there's no way Fallon will come close. Just because txtommy likes Fallon and not Leno doesn't mean Fallon's ratings will be better. I am still willing to bet they'll be far worse than Jay's.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 02:52 PM

I used to prefer Letterman over all the others, but Dave isn't even that funny anymore. The last couple years he has turned into an extremely partisan, bitter left-wing coot who does nothing but constantly rip on anyone right of center. I like political humor, but I do NOT like it when it's completely and consistently lopsided.

Considering that Leno's ratings are fairly high, and that he pulls in viewers from their 20s through senior citizens, there's no way Fallon will come close. Just because txtommy likes Fallon and not Leno doesn't mean Fallon's ratings will be better. I am still willing to bet they'll be far worse than Jay's.


And as an extremely partisan, bitter left-wing coot myself, I'd be willing to take that bet. I haven't watched a lot of Fallon due to the time slot, but going by the clips that I see replayed everyday on cable news shows, I see Fallon as far funnier than Leno ever was. I think he will outdo Leno in all age groups and talking with many others in my age group, I'm not the only one as you apparently think.
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Posted 03 April 2013 - 03:02 PM

Leno has consistently pulled high ratings in the younger age group. He has consistently had a LOT of young people in his audience. Fallon is (a) not nearly as funny, (B) not nearly as popular, and © not nearly as broadly appealing.

NBC screwed up once before with this same mindset when they pushed Jay out and replaced him with Conan O'Brien, figuring Conan would pull in the younger demographic. Guess what? Conan tanked in the ratings after an initial spike. NBC just doesn't learn. No wonder it's in the toilet ratings-wise.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 04:25 PM

I'm 35 and don't know anyone around my age who prefers or even likes Leno over Falon.

The reason Leno has better ratings is obviously due to air time.
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Posted 03 April 2013 - 04:30 PM

I personally know a LOT of people in their 30s and early 40s who think Leno is better than Fallon. Most of the umpires whom I assign are under 50, with the bulk of those in their late 20s to early 40s. They're predominantly more familiar with Jay because of his fame, and they also like him more than Fallon. Several, however, like Letterman and Kimmel.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 04:39 PM

I'm 35 and don't know anyone around my age who prefers or even likes Leno over Falon.

The reason Leno has better ratings is obviously due to air time.

You are actually in the young age group. Fallon is going to have a hard time pulling anyone over 50.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 04:41 PM

I hope fox can get him, that would be great news.
Leno would clean all there clocks and then NBC would be 3rd to FOX and CBS.
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Posted 03 April 2013 - 04:41 PM

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It might be a good idea for NBC to pay Leno NOT to be on the air for a few years. Then again, it's NBC. They have managed to tank their prime time and now they throw out (again) their top rated late night. I wonder what they will mess up next.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 04:47 PM

I'm 35 and don't know anyone around my age who prefers or even likes Leno over Falon.

The reason Leno has better ratings is obviously due to air time.


I'm 28 and like Leno ok. His headlines bit is funny. I like Fallon too. That's mostly because he's a musician (singer and guitar player). I like Letterman also, I think out of the 3 Letterman is more refined. Trusted by most people because of his run. Leno is the odd man out. NBC tried to replace him once already now. See how that worked out. Honestly I'd rather see Letterman because unlike most of the people my age (25-30). I HATE the new SNL, don't care for stupid jokes. Letterman is stable and is smarter than that. Leno is too because he's a car guy. But NBC is the REAL problem. So if anyone fails there NBC is the reason.
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Posted 03 April 2013 - 05:36 PM

Never liked Leno as a host. In his early days I liked him as a guest, but never as a host.

I used to like Letterman, but he grew old (literally, but also figuratively) over time.

I like Conan, but not enough to watch.

There was a time when the only way to see and get info about people was on these talk shows... but during my lifetime there have evolved all kinds of different (and often better) ways to get the same info... and I think that is as much a cause of drift from late night as the hosts.

I still prefer Carson.. but I don't know if even he would do well in the current climate which just doesn't foster that type of program well.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 05:44 PM

One person whom I never stopped liking, even when he got old, was Johnny Carson. I never could tire of him, even if some of his bits might have grown a bit stale.

I'm not Leno's biggest fan. I admit that I watched Letterman religiously for years--decades, actually. Hell, when he used to do Viewer Mail, I actually had one of my letters read on the air! They did a bit using my letter, saying my name and all. That was way back when--a long time ago. However, over the last 5 years, he has grown not so much "old," which I can tolerate, of course, but old and bitter, cranky, and totally left-wing.

As I've aged, I have become more cynical politically, but I can't stomach total one-sidedness, especially if it's born of ignorance and stupidity. That's the biggest reason why I just don't find his show as funny as it used to be. I don't hate Dave at all; rather, I just believe he's worn out.

Back to Leno, though--the one show I love is the weekly one featuring "Headlines". I have always found it very humorous to laugh at everyday stuff like that. Makes me appreciate our humanity and our flaws.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 06:11 PM

I (and most of my "peers") were also big Johnny Carson fans. Liked him since we were little kids and able to stay up a few lucky nights. No one in this format even comes (or ever did come) anywhere near wanting to stick around after the monolog and comedy "bits" to watch the "talk" part. Not even close. (When we were really little, the show used to run 90mins! Granted, all of TV was pretty much off going the air by that time of night, and there probably wasn't much else to watch.)

But even through the 1980s, Johnny was the king. You could stick around for Dave if you wanted, and he seemed pretty "cool and edgy" by those-days standards (as someone pointed out, the "anti-Carson"). Many of us did stay up to watch as we got older.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 07:01 PM

Dang it, just saw that Doc Severinsen is performing a few hours from me this month. Good to see he's still touring and still has the wind at 85.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 09:02 PM

You are actually in the young age group. Fallon is going to have a hard time pulling anyone over 50.


I've been over 50 for quite some time. Most of my friends are over 50. I know no one who prefers Leno. Most are glad to see him finally going off the air and moving Fallon into a better time slot where he is very likely to outdraw what Leno has done.
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Posted 03 April 2013 - 09:16 PM

Looking at their ratings now, I highly doubt he will outdraw what Leno has done. I bet you said the same thing about Conan, and we all know what happened to him.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 11:14 PM

Not that Conan was all that great at the Tonight Show, but there's no doubt that Leno's prime time show helped to kill-off what might've been left of that audience.

Viewers were tuning out Jay's prime time show and not even sticking around for late local news. By then many NBC viewers were gone, and Conan wasn't even given any real chance to make the Tonight Show work.

Personally, I think any or all of that "talent" just should've taken a hike from NBC and walked if they couldn't get what they wanted, instead of just hanging around and being at the "mercy" of that network and its ratings. Can't really feel sorry for any of 'em, though.

It'll be interesting to see if Fallon can make a real go of it. Probably a good thing if he keeps it in NYC, and sticks w/Loren. It just might work.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 12:21 AM

Ah, who really cares anymore? :shrug:

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