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#26 OFFLINE   Rich

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:26 AM

Any idea if they are going to rerun this weeks episode?
The voices were missing for the first 30minutes here.


Just checked the CBS website and all they show in full is last night's episode.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:28 AM

Watched, the 8 year flashback aspect is pretty confusing, the characters are good and messed up, the babes are cute, have no idea why those two guys hate each other, but overall it might be worth another viewing.


Two alpha males in the same position (job) always takes some sorting out. They'll probably end up as friends.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:30 AM

Ah, so KA hates him just because he's who he is, not based on some huge past event. Thanks TC!


Saw that same thing happen time after time in the Navy.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 05:54 PM

Any idea if they are going to rerun this weeks episode?
The voices were missing for the first 30minutes here.


All three episodes are available on CBS.com. Just watched them last night. They even have CC available.

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 01:07 PM

OK, I am ready to go out on a limb after ep 4 and say that I think this is the best new TV show in recent memory, best since at least a year ago, possibly the best since Homeland. Actually, there are few shows better than this on TV now, and few that were ever better. And I think it is in the running to be the best "cop" show ever.

And it is not really a "cop" show, but it is. It is really about power and the struggle to get and keep and protect power, and the lengths people will go to in pursuing that. The police procedural aspect seems to be just the McGuffin, the central yet actually unimportant thing that is really only there as a device to give the writers a milieu to place this story in. It is really more of a soap opera or feudal conflict story, although terming it a soap opera really does not do it justice, since few of them are ever done anywhere close to how well this is done.

I always thought Kevin Alejandro was a strong, good, and appealing actor, but he is really knocking it out of the park with this nemesis role, where of course his goal is to appear anything but appealing. That scene at the river with his mentor was amazing. Chi is really chewing up the scenery as well; it is amazing what great actors can do when given a great role written well.

And the directing is top notch; that scene at the river could have ended with the last shot being the two interacting with each other (trying to avoid spoilers here), but this director, for whatever reason, ended it with a medium shot of KA walking away as shot from behind, which really subtley goosed the dramatic aspect of how emotional this was for his character. Could have been the producer's or editor's call, I guess, but this team really knows how to tell a story in a compelling manner.

Honestly, this might be a perfect drama; I can't find much wrong here, and everything seems to be done pretty perfectly. That is a true rarity in TV or even in movies (True Lies and Chinatown are about the only perfect movies I can think of at the moment). And as I said I love Kevin Alejandro, but his portrayal is so compelling that I would love to make him eat that $160 silk tie, collar stud and all. If he is trying to elicit a visceral emotional response from the viewer, mission accomplished. The new kid is not half bad either.

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 01:49 PM

...They'll probably end up as friends.

This is my feeling as well, that this is where this is headed, although it will probably take 2 or 3 seasons for them to get there. They already have developed a grudging respect for each others' formidability.

It's pretty clever how the writers have engineered all of the various reveals; as a viewer you at first will have half an idea why something is happening, and then boom, moment of truth, and you think "Oh, OK...That's why he is acting this way". I find that ability in storytelling to be endlessly entertaining.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 10:58 PM

We're all caught up now, and I have to say, I'm sold. We are really, really enjoying where they're going.... which probably means they'll cancel it before they finish airing all of season one. That seems to be my track record - you've all been warned. :)

Curious to see where the Arroyo/Clark relationship goes... "seemed" to call a truce this episode, but can't forget Owen's comment to Clark about how "Arroyo can make nice to your face and then turn around and stab you full in the back".

The former commissioner being in jail was a nice touch. I too thought they were playing chess in the park. One of the rare times that I "didn't see that one coming". That's a good thing!
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Posted 18 March 2013 - 06:23 PM

...Curious to see where the Arroyo/Clark relationship goes... "seemed" to call a truce this episode...

Maybe less of a truce and more of a detente, or a Mexican standoff. My interpretation of "truce" is something agreed to when you want peace, and my interpretation of detente is something you agree to when you don't want peace at all, but due to a "mutually-assured destruction" scenario, you agree to lay down arms if for no other reason than self-preservation.

And for GB, that is a solution once again ripe with possibility. I was thinking that this could only end badly but must go somewhere, but the writers basically put the war on hold and are letting it simmer beneath the surface as a way to underscore the bad blood between them. Brilliant.

Glad you're enjoying this, Sharkie; it's more fun when lots of folks are excited.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 11:55 AM

Maybe less of a truce and more of a detente, or a Mexican standoff. My interpretation of "truce" is something agreed to when you want peace, and my interpretation of detente is something you agree to when you don't want peace at all, but due to a "mutually-assured destruction" scenario, you agree to lay down arms if for no other reason than self-preservation.

And for GB, that is a solution once again ripe with possibility. I was thinking that this could only end badly but must go somewhere, but the writers basically put the war on hold and are letting it simmer beneath the surface as a way to underscore the bad blood between them. Brilliant.

Glad you're enjoying this, Sharkie; it's more fun when lots of folks are excited.

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Much as I like it, they'll probably cancel it. Happens every year.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 01:11 PM

Maybe less of a truce and more of a detente, or a Mexican standoff.


Good call. Probably a better choice of words - definitely how I read the situation as well, which is why I pointed out the comments from Owen about how Arroyo would stab you in the back.

I can only assume that there's a knife coming from Arroyo at some point, and I'm anxiously awaiting the when & where of it.
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Posted 25 March 2013 - 07:48 PM

Ep 5, not as good as the first 4, still better than most of what else is on TV.
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Posted 25 March 2013 - 08:25 PM

I'm enjoying the flash forward/back/forward thing they've got going on. I should have seen it coming that the sister would be part of the advocate group that Clark had a personal interest in... but I didn't.

We don't normally bother watching new shows - it seems like every time we try a new show it ends up cancelled before teh season is over. But I'm really glad we took a flyer on this one. I hope this one can shake our jinx and stick around for a while! :)
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Posted 26 March 2013 - 11:41 AM

I'm enjoying the flash forward/back/forward thing they've got going on. I should have seen it coming that the sister would be part of the advocate group that Clark had a personal interest in... but I didn't.

We don't normally bother watching new shows - it seems like every time we try a new show it ends up cancelled before teh season is over. But I'm really glad we took a flyer on this one. I hope this one can shake our jinx and stick around for a while! :)


Don't get your hopes up, it looks like it's gonna get canceled. Shame, I like the show.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 04:44 PM

Don't get your hopes up, it looks like it's gonna get canceled. Shame, I like the show.

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I don't undefeated why they'd cancel a show getting 8-9 million viewers each week. Are CBS's standards that high?
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 04:47 PM

I don't undefeated why they'd cancel a show getting 8-9 million viewers each week. Are CBS's standards that high?


If it's the worst performing show on the network, then why would they cancel something with better numbers to make room for next season's new offerings?

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 04:54 PM

I also hope it doesn't get canceled. That said, looking at Phrelin's ratings thread for the month of March, Golden Boy's viewer share dropped a little lower each week: 50.4% > 47.9% > 45.9% > 38.9%.
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 08:00 PM

If it's the worst performing show on the network, then why would they cancel something with better numbers to make room for next season's new offerings?

It's a little like building a baseball team. Stats are important, but trends are also important, as are where your team is expected to finish based on current trends, and who is in competition for open slots. There are a lot of factors. Will it be ripe for syndication? Will it ever get enough eps to get to syndication? How might it fare in global markets? What was the lead in? What was the direct competition? How much does it cost to produce, compared to a reality show that will get half the ratings but eat 1/15th the overhead?

There are a lot of moving parts, and it is very technical, but also far from an exact science, and a discipline that involves hunches. It also is still a crap shoot.
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Posted 28 March 2013 - 09:46 AM

I don't undefeated why they'd cancel a show getting 8-9 million viewers each week. Are CBS's standards that high?


That Friday showing a week or two ago must have scared somebody. Here's the site I use. As you can see if you scroll down, it looks as if it's gonna be canceled for sure.

But, I've also seen reversals on this site. They had The Good Wife buried a few years ago and it got renewed. All we can do is hope it picks up steam.

Just checked the latest update on that site. Still says it will be canceled. Shame.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 01:20 PM

That Friday showing a week or two ago must have scared somebody. Here's the site I use. As you can see if you scroll down, it looks as if it's gonna be canceled for sure.

But, I've also seen reversals on this site. They had The Good Wife buried a few years ago and it got renewed. All we can do is hope it picks up steam.

Just checked the latest update on that site. Still says it will be canceled. Shame.

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I generally rely on the same site. However, in the immortal words of Adam from Mythbusters "I reject your reality and substitute my own". ;)

Not that it'll do any good.

I'll hold out hope that somehow Golden Boy picks up steam in the next few weeks and can eek out a renewal, long as those odds may be. They don't miss very often on their cancellation/renewal predictions, and generally when they do, it's on series that could go either way. I don't anticipate them being wrong here, though stranger things have happened.
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Posted 28 March 2013 - 01:59 PM

I generally rely on the same site. However, in the immortal words of Adam from Mythbusters "I reject your reality and substitute my own". ;)

Not that it'll do any good.

I'll hold out hope that somehow Golden Boy picks up steam in the next few weeks and can eek out a renewal, long as those odds may be. They don't miss very often on their cancellation/renewal predictions, and generally when they do, it's on series that could go either way. I don't anticipate them being wrong here, though stranger things have happened.


Yeah, when they practically guarantee cancellation they're usually right. Only show I can think of that was supposed to be cancelled and they were wrong about was The Good Wife, which is another show I thought was very good right from the get-go.

I do hope they're wrong about Golden Boy, just watched the latest show and I think it's better than Blue Bloods, which sits unwatched in my Play List.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:16 PM

"McKenzie on Fire" has shown that they can put the war on hold and still deliver a really compelling drama. Nice to know they have that kind of range.

This ep concentrated on Bonnie Sommerville, which I would never have any problem with. Well, there is one problem; for an actress pushing 40 she is still so smokin' adorable I found myself drifting and unable to follow the story at times (that perfect bone structure would be hard to beat). Pretty good actress too. Veteran John Finn as her father was also pretty good.

I especially like how Owen has now been reinvigorated after having some fallow years recently on the job.

It would not surprise me, assuming they get the opportunity to go a full season or two, to eventually see a PC-future reveal where McKenzie and Walter were together.
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Posted 17 April 2013 - 10:34 PM

With each episode we watch, i'm more bummed out at the prospect of this getting dumped!

 

McKenzie on fire was a good episode.

 

Scapegoat was pretty good too.  I'm curious to know what happens to Owen.  "Commissioner" Clark makes a comment about how a good friend taught him about being part of a team, and "if he'd only listened to himself, he might be doing my job now".  I want to know what that means!

 

Took a few episodes, but Mrs. Sharkie is totally into it as well.... which is probably the final nail in the coffin for this series. :)
 


Edited by Sharkie_Fan, 18 April 2013 - 02:05 PM.

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