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Did DirecTV just shut down the old program guide?


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#81 OFFLINE   Floyd

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 07:38 AM

Here's the list of legacy MPG receivers that are supposed to be replaced:

MAKE-MODEL

OPTIMUS 5100
OPTIMUS 5700
OPTIMUS 5100N
HITACHI 61HDX98B
DSTV 7500U
GENERIC1 99-X998
GENERIC2 99-X999
HNS BAHNS01
HNS BAHNS01-IR
HNS BAHNS02
MAGNAVOX DBS500
MAGNAVOX DBS600
RCA DC4030RB
RCA DCD001RW
RCA DCD302RA
RCA DCD405RE
RCA DRD102RW
NO NAME PLTE DRD112NW
RCA DRD112NW
SWBT DRD112NW
GE DRD122GW
RCA DRD202RA
RCA DRD203RW
RCA DRD205RD
NO NAME PLTE DRD212NW
SWBT DRD212NW
NO NAME PLTE DRD213NW
RCA DRD221RD
RCA DRD222D
RCA DRD222RD
RCA DRD223RD
RCA DRD225RD
RCA DRD302RA
RCA DRD303RA
RCA DRD403RA
RCA DRD420RE
RCA DRD440RE
RCA DRD451RG
RCA DRD460RE
RCA DRD480RE
RCA DRD502RB
RCA DRD503RB
RCA DRD503RBC
RCA DRD505RB
RCA DRD515RB
RCA DRD523MCDC
RCA DRD523RB
RCA DRD703RA
RCA DRD705RB
RCA DS2320RA
RCA DS3330RA
RCA DS4430RA
RCA DS5230RB
RCA DS5450RB
RCA DS5451RB
DSTV DSTV-5700U
PHILIPS DSX5150R
PHILIPS DSX5250I
PHILIPS DSX5250R
PHILIPS DSX5350R
PHILIPS DSX5353C
PHILIPS DSX5353E
PHILIPS DSX5353R
PHILIPS DSX5353X
PHILIPS DSX5375R
RCA DTC-100
TOSHIBA DW65X91
RCA F38310
HNS GAEB0
HNS GCEB0
GE GRD33G2A
GE GRD33G3A
RCA HD65W20
HITACHI HDS100R
HITACHI HDS200R
HITACHI HDS210R
HITACHI HDS220R
HNS HIRD-43
HNS HIRD-A2
HNS HIRD-A3
HNS HIRD-A4
HNS HIRD-B1
HNS HIRD-B2
HNS HIRD-B23
HNS HIRD-B3
HNS HIRD-B4
HNS HIRD-C2
HNS HIRD-D0
HNS HIRD-D1
HNS HIRD-D2
HNS HIRD-D4
HNS HIRD-D5
HNS HIRD-E1
HNS HIRD-E2
HNS HIRD-E4
HNS HIRD-E6
HNS HSYS-2331
HNS HSYS-B2332
HNS HSYS-C2262
HNS HSYS-C2264
RCA L50000
MEMOREX MSD5000
MEMOREX MSD5001R-H
NO NAME PLTE NRD215ND
RCA NRD3131NA
NO NAME PLTE NRD313NA
RCA NRD313NA
NO NAME PLTE NRD323ND
RCA NRD412
NO NAME PLTE NRD412NA
NO NAME PLTE NRD415NE
RCA NRD513NB
RCA NS4221
RCA P61300
RCA P61310
PROSCAN PRD8630A
PROSCAN PRD8650B
PROSCAN PS34000
PROSCAN PS38000
PROSCAN PS61000
PROSCAN PS65000
PROSCAN PSHD105
SONY SAS-AD2
SONY SAS-AD3
SONY SAS-BD2
SONY SAS-BS2
SONY SAT-A1
SONY SAT-A2
SONY SAT-A3
SONY SAT-A4
SONY SAT-A50
SONY SAT-A55
SONY SAT-A65
SONY SAT-B1
SONY SAT-B2
SONY SAT-B3
SONY SAT-B4
SONY SAT-B50
SONY SAT-B50/2
SONY SAT-B55
SONY SAT-B65
SONY SAT-HD100
SAMSUNG SIR-S60W
MITSUBISHI SR-SD1
TOSHIBA TSR-101
TOSHIBA TSR-202
PANASONIC TU-IRD10
PANASONIC TU-IRD20
PANASONIC TZ-DBS01
PANASONIC TZ-DRD100
UNIDEN UDS100
UNIDEN UDS200
UNIDEN UDS200SYS
MAGNAVOX UNKNOWN
MEMOREX UNKNOWN
OPTIMUS UNKNOWN
SWBT UNKNOWN
UNIDEN UNKNOWN
HITACHI VW00321

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#82 OFFLINE   P Smith

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 10:17 AM

Nice list, especially in the part:
MAGNAVOX UNKNOWN
MEMOREX UNKNOWN
OPTIMUS UNKNOWN
SWBT UNKNOWN
UNIDEN UNKNOWN

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 08:30 PM

I finally got the e mail from Directv about my legacy receiver needing to get replaced. I called the number and finally will retire my old RCA that just worked well over the years.

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 03:30 PM

Nice list, especially in the part:
MAGNAVOX UNKNOWN
MEMOREX UNKNOWN
OPTIMUS UNKNOWN
SWBT UNKNOWN
UNIDEN UNKNOWN

:D

 

LOL

 

They are known. 


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 05:06 PM

My old Hughes is still chugging along and to date NO email, phone call, letter, NOTHING from DirecTV.  Big surprise.  I'm sure one day in the future it will suddenly stop working.


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 05:15 PM

Go to channel 341 and see if you get a message. 



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Posted 07 May 2013 - 11:17 PM

My old Hughes is still chugging along and to date NO email, phone call, letter, NOTHING from DirecTV.  Big surprise.  I'm sure one day in the future it will suddenly stop working.

I got my RCA replaced, what model of Hughes receiver do you still have?



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Posted 08 May 2013 - 08:51 AM

Go to channel 341 and see if you get a message. 

 

I did get the message.  Are customers supposed to somehow see this channel in the guide and tune to it?

 

In any event, (as expected) I called in and requested the "MPG swap" and the CSR was confused.  First, I was told there would be a new one year commitment.  Then I pressed for more info and after "conferring with a supervisor" was told no, everything was free and no commitment.  We'll see!!  Don't you think their CSR's would be TRAINED on this and how it works?

 

I'm betting they try to stick me with a new one year commitment or worse a CHARGE for a replacement receiver!!


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 09:08 AM

Satelliteracer, why didn't Directv take this opportunity to replace these receivers with mpeg4 equipment? They wouldn't have to be enabled for hd nor charged to the customer to get them. I think the same for new installs even if sd. Use mpeg4 boxes. This should have been started years ago. If they had, there would be many fewer mpeg2 boxes out there. Eventually those on mpeg2 would be transitioned and it would free up a lot of bandwidth for more channels or better video quality. There can't be much if any difference in the cost per box from mpeg2 to mpeg4.



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Posted 08 May 2013 - 11:42 AM

I don't know why they didn't make the D12 MPEG4 capable. The only reason I can think of is they figure when they eventually transition off MPEG2 there won't be too many SD sets left, so they plan on dumping the SD duplicates of HD channels at the same time. That would free up twice the bandwidth of simply converting the SD duplicates to MPEG4.

 

As existing customers take advantage of offers to upgrade to Genie + clients they'll have more and more surplus HD receivers, which they can use to upgrade SD receivers to HD. Once they figure they have enough to convert the rest they could announce the transition. They'd have to provide SD only subscribers with a new dish also, but the benefits would outweigh the cost.

 

I'd assume as the date they want to do this gets closer they'll step up whatever offers they typically make to SD only subscribers to get them to voluntarily upgrade, but at some point they'll have to force it like they have done with the old program guide.

 

It'll probably take a while to do. By the time they finish, they'll probably be broadcasting some stuff with HEVC and the clock will begin ticking for MPEG4 equipment :)


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 10:18 PM

I don't know why they didn't make the D12 MPEG4 capable. The only reason I can think of is they figure when they eventually transition off MPEG2 there won't be too many SD sets left, so they plan on dumping the SD duplicates of HD channels at the same time. That would free up twice the bandwidth of simply converting the SD duplicates to MPEG4.

 

As existing customers take advantage of offers to upgrade to Genie + clients they'll have more and more surplus HD receivers, which they can use to upgrade SD receivers to HD. Once they figure they have enough to convert the rest they could announce the transition. They'd have to provide SD only subscribers with a new dish also, but the benefits would outweigh the cost.

 

I'd assume as the date they want to do this gets closer they'll step up whatever offers they typically make to SD only subscribers to get them to voluntarily upgrade, but at some point they'll have to force it like they have done with the old program guide.

 

It'll probably take a while to do. By the time they finish, they'll probably be broadcasting some stuff with HEVC and the clock will begin ticking for MPEG4 equipment :)

An interesting speculation;

 

Except I can find no reason for the D12 or any other SD receiver to be Ku band/MPEG-2/4 capable since there are no MPEG-4 compressed programs using the Ku band save for two Spanish HD ones on 119.

 

And if you make the D12 or other SD ones Ka band capable then you may as well have built an HD receiver which can receive both SD and HD MPEG-2/4 to begin with.


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 10:56 PM

??? The band Directv satellites broadcast programming on has nothing to do with the type of compression scheme being used. The satellites just broadcast bits, whether those bits make up MPEG2 compressed video, MPEG4, or some new scheme that hasn't yet been invented has nothing to do with what frequency or what satellite your dish receives them from.

 

Aren't there some SD only locals compressed with MPEG4? I thought I had read that somewhere. Regardless of what they are doing today, if they had made the D12 receiver capable of decoding MPEG4 they'd have the option of migrating more and more SD channels to MPEG4 compression to free up bandwidth. Those affected would have their SD receivers upgraded to D12. Over time they could migrate all SD content to MPEG4, which would free up considerable bandwidth.

 

I was just suggesting that since Directv didn't take this very obvious path open to them, they must not be planning to take the intermediate step of replacing MPEG2 SD with MPEG4 SD, but their next transition will instead dump SD entirely (except for those channels they don't carry in HD)

 

As long as they still make new D12s, the transition is years away.


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Posted 09 May 2013 - 12:03 AM

 

??? The band Directv satellites broadcast programming on has nothing to do with the type of compression scheme being used. The satellites just broadcast bits, whether those bits make up MPEG2 compressed video, MPEG4, or some new scheme that hasn't yet been invented has nothing to do with what frequency or what satellite your dish receives them from.

 

 

Operating at the higher frequency Ka band allows DIRECTV to use greater bandwidth transponders than Ku, 36 as opposed to 24 MHz. But regardless since the move to Ka band all programming there, SD and HD, is MPEG-4, whereas all programs on Ku band are SD and use MPEG-2 except for two MPEG-4 Spanish HD channels on 119 Tp. 24     

 

Aren't there some SD only locals compressed with MPEG4? I thought I had read that somewhere

Yes, but all on Ka band as are some MPEG-4 SD nationals.

 

 

Regardless of what they are doing today, if they had made the D12 receiver capable of decoding MPEG4 they'd have the option of migrating more and more SD channels to MPEG4 compression to free up bandwidth. Those affected would have their SD receivers upgraded to D12. Over time they could migrate all SD content to MPEG4, which would free up considerable bandwidth.

 

I was just suggesting that since Directv didn't take this very obvious path open to them, they must not be planning to take the intermediate step of replacing MPEG2 SD with MPEG4 SD, but their next transition will instead dump SD entirely (except for those channels they don't carry in HD)

 

As long as they still make new D12s, the transition is years away

 

.But what would such clearing spectrum on the SD Ku band be used for though?

 

Creating space for more SD channels? Who wants that with all the impetus on HD nowadays? ;)   


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Posted 09 May 2013 - 12:15 AM

Take a look at 95W - there are many DTV LA [A3] transponders [AMC and H.264] and the sat is Ku. So, Ku sats could be converted.



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Posted 09 May 2013 - 12:37 AM

Take a look at 95W - there are many DTV LA [A3] transponders [AMC and H.264] and the sat is Ku. So, Ku sats could be converted.

Oh sure P Smith, I realize just like with the two Spanish HD channels on 119 Ku, it could be done.

 

But with D14 and 15 on the near horizon, there will be more than enough future Ka band capacity for HD. So why bother with trying to clear space to cram HD signals into the narrow 24 MHz wide transponders of the old Ku birds?   


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Posted 09 May 2013 - 09:06 AM

Money. More bits in same pipe, more programs, more providers, more fee ...



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Posted 09 May 2013 - 12:44 PM

I guess if they've got two new satellites going up, those should cover the demand for more bandwidth, but there are plenty of potential uses for that bandwidth. More HD bandwidth/quality on existing channels, convert remaining SD only channels to HD where possible, have everyone's locals available in HD, more international content and/or be able to eliminate the 110/119/95 satellites, add all the channels in fall/winter from everyone and their brother following BTN's lead, upgrade 720p/1080i content to 1080p60 where available, offer 4K content where available.

 

OK, the latter is silly, since someone with 20/20 vision needs to sit closer than 15' to a 100" TV to tell any difference (and closer than 7' to get the full benefit of 4K) but there will be 4K sets sold, and people will want 4K content to display on it. There is always a market for people with more money than sense, and I guess in this case also those who had very successful outcomes from Lasik surgery :)

 

I suppose give the new satellites they'll probably keep the current SD broadcasts until the 101 satellite reaches EOL. Does anyone know what orbital position these new satellites will be taking? Will they go to 99/103 like the existing HD sats, or is one of them going to 101? I assume they won't put them in a new position or at 110/119, or a lot of people will need new LNBs.


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Posted 09 May 2013 - 03:48 PM

D14 is supposed to go to 99 IIRC. I don't know about D15.



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Posted 09 May 2013 - 04:29 PM

I guess if they've got two new satellites going up, those should cover the demand for more bandwidth, but there are plenty of potential uses for that bandwidth. More HD bandwidth/quality on existing channels, convert remaining SD only channels to HD where possible, have everyone's locals available in HD, ...

But with DIRECTV planing much of this HD conversion for migration to MPEG-4 on Ka band. The question is what advantage is there to convert the current MPEG-2 SD channels on Ku band to MPEG-4 except room for more SD channels there?

 

DIRECTV does not appear to have any plans to place many future HD channels if at all on the Ku band birds except for the two Spanish ones on the 119.

 

... more international content and/or be able to eliminate the 110/119/95 satellites, add all the channels in fall/winter from everyone and their brother following BTN's lead, upgrade 720p/1080i content to 1080p60 where available, offer 4K content where available.

Hard to predict the future this way but 110 is serving a very important role for Puerto Rico at present. What upgrades DIRECTV plans for the current 720p/1080i HD standard are sure to take place on Ka band. 119 is likely slated for eventual movement to MPEG-4/Ka band as well though behind 101, and international programming at 95w ("World Direct" service.) was mentioned as possibly headed for the Reverse DBS band.  

 

OK, the latter is silly, since someone with 20/20 vision needs to sit closer than 15' to a 100" TV to tell any difference (and closer than 7' to get the full benefit of 4K) but there will be 4K sets sold, and people will want 4K content to display on it. There is always a market for people with more money than sense, and I guess in this case also those who had very successful outcomes from Lasik surgery :)

True, though however a waste it is DIRECTV has stated that 4K Ultra-HDTV is destined for the freed up Ku band spectrum, but its unclear if that's for the current crop of Ku band satellites which would be well approaching EOL at that point or new ones.

 

I suppose give the new satellites they'll probably keep the current SD broadcasts until the 101 satellite reaches EOL. Does anyone know what orbital position these new satellites will be taking? Will they go to 99/103 like the existing HD sats, or is one of them going to 101? I assume they won't put them in a new position or at 110/119, or a lot of people will need new LNBs

.D14 (actually D14/RB-1), is destined for 99w likely to make a "99ca." D15 intended future location is unknown as no FCC "Launch and Operate Authority" (LOA) application has been submitted for it yet.


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Posted 10 May 2013 - 02:28 PM

My old Hughes is still chugging along and to date NO email, phone call, letter, NOTHING from DirecTV.  Big surprise.  I'm sure one day in the future it will suddenly stop working.

 

 

Still hitting certain parts of the country.  I would be surprised if you are not contacted by end of June at the latest.


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