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#26 OFFLINE   sigma1914

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 12:21 PM

Marketing has always been the biggest joke on the planet....there has never been truth in advertising....as they take liberties in literally every commercial I have ever seen. Should I believe the commercial about the Budweiser Clydesdales in Chicago? Did that scorpion really undo that hot model's bikini in that new Fiat 500 commercial? How about the MRV commercials where they show a holographic battle scene in the middle of your living room, then you pause it and go to another room and the holographic battle scene continues in another room. Am I supposed to assume from that commercial that Directv is holographic? Of course not. The commercials are meant to pique your curiosity about a product or idea so you'll look into it more.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 12:23 PM

There's a big difference between piquing someone curiosity with images and flat-out lying about the capabilities of a product.


But they aren't flat out lying. The fact is if you have a compatible RVU TV you don't have to have "another box" at that TV.

The fact that only a few people have RVU compatible TVs doesn't make DirecTVs ad a lie.
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Posted 28 March 2013 - 12:25 PM

There's a big difference between piquing someone curiosity with images and flat-out lying about the capabilities of a product.


Exactly - the thing that piqued my interest in that commercial is not that they imply that there are NO cables involved, but they actually say it and further the idea by clearly removing both the box and all cables from the picture. Unless there is some sort of wireless connection coming down the pike soon, this is a deliberate falsehood.
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Posted 28 March 2013 - 12:30 PM

There's a big difference between piquing someone curiosity with images and flat-out lying about the capabilities of a product.


Isn't a C31 using a wireless CCK, a wireless client? I believe the C41 or whatever is supposed to have wireless built-in, isnt that correct? I haven't seen this commercial so I dont know the specifics of this commercial and what it is claiming or what the fine print says...

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 12:35 PM

Exactly - the thing that piqued my interest in that commercial is not that they imply that there are NO cables involved, but they actually say it and further the idea by clearly removing both the box and all cables from the picture. Unless there is some sort of wireless connection coming down the pike soon, this is a deliberate falsehood.


If we are talking about the commercial I think we are (guy swimming in a lake and gets out with leeches all over him), they say stop looking at wires and boxes. They show a cable company receiver on a stand below the TV with all the wires going up to the TV. They then make that receiver and it's wires disappear.

So they are talking about getting rid of the wires between the cable box and TV. Again this is not a lie, it is true. With a RVU TV the only cable is an ethernet cable hooked up to the TV, or a coax hooked up to a DECA adapter and then ethernet to the TV, both of which could easily be hidden behind the TV. Therefore you no longer have to look at the box or wires, which is what the ad says.
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Posted 28 March 2013 - 12:39 PM

You still need the power cable. ;)

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 01:11 PM

You still need the power cable. ;)


When I wall mount a TV I tend to put a power oulet recessed in the wall behind it, so the power cables needed can be hidden as well.
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Posted 28 March 2013 - 02:49 PM

Isn't a C31 using a wireless CCK, a wireless client? I believe the C41 or whatever is supposed to have wireless built-in, isnt that correct?


C31 using a wireless CCK is not a configuration that is supported by DirecTV. Are you suggesting that it's appropriate for DirecTV to advertise functionality that they don't support?

The C41 does not have wireless built-in. According to the First Look, the biggest functional differences between the C31 and the C41 are the ability to use the new RF remote and the external power brick has mounting holes to allow for a wall mount.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 02:54 PM

This is hilarious!

Let's face it, the commercial is misleading as are most commercials. DirecTV is by far more interested in adding subscribers than truth in advertising. We're talking about a multi-billion dollar corporation here and its goal is to make money. Period.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 03:10 PM

C31 using a wireless CCK is not a configuration that is supported by DirecTV.

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eSATA isn't supported, but many people use it. So is MRV with your own network. So is using the ethernet plug on the Genie to get your boxes to get internet. What's the big deal?
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Posted 28 March 2013 - 03:17 PM

I think they may be pushing the fact that a C31 client is small enough that it can be mounted behind a wall mounted TV. Their recent installer training goes over a number of mounting options.

See post My Setup for configuration info.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 04:35 PM

So both of you think it's okay to have a commercial that is deceptive because a:it's only a commercial after all and/or b:anyone that is fooled by such deception deserves what they get.
Um, okay!

Its only deceptive if its a Dish Network commercial.

Since its Directv that makes it OK!:rolleyes:

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 04:51 PM

Its only deceptive if its a Dish Network commercial.

Since its Directv that makes it OK!:rolleyes:


Ha ha!:lol:

Wait - you may have something there!

If the regulars here aren't sure what the commercial means there is no chance in hell regular old people watching TV will think anything but they don't need receivers or wires - just a Genie and all your dreams will come true!:P

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 05:23 PM

There's a difference between long and existing customers that knows all to well about these commercials and read the fine print first, And new or potential customers who believed what the commercial was saying, only to find out later after they sign up that other stuff were required. That in itself in deceptive.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 05:59 PM

eSATA isn't supported, but many people use it. So is MRV with your own network.


By that logic it would be appropriate for them to advertise that you can store 10,000 hours of HD content with the Genie because it's possible for you to build a huge external RAID box that you can connect to the DVR and then telling you "tough luck, we don't support that" when you have a problem.

Having unsupported features is one thing. Advertising an unsupported feature as a feature would be inappropriate and misleading.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 06:40 PM

I just saw an ad, it says "you don't have to look at a box in every room". Considering the options for a client, certainly is true.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 07:10 PM

Don't forget how erectile dysfunction commercials can allow you to go sailing, have you and your spouse sit in separate bathtubs in beautiful meadows, etc. ;)

At least they are upfront with a disclaimer that advises you to to call a doctor, if their pills works so well that it last for hours! ;)
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Posted 28 March 2013 - 07:28 PM

I looked that up once, and what can happen... :eek2:

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 10:51 PM

There's a difference between long and existing customers that knows all to well about these commercials and read the fine print first, And new or potential customers who believed what the commercial was saying, only to find out later after they sign up that other stuff were required. That in itself in deceptive.


In some states, the customer does have a timeframe to cancel before they get charged the ecf. I can understand your point of view however.

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 08:55 PM

IMO, AT&T U-Verse started this, DTV is just jumping on the train.

AT&T's campaign about their wireless receivers is even worse. It eliminates the wire from the wall to the cable box. There's still the power cords (2) and the cable from the box to the TV. What's worse is that they market the thing like you can take it out in the middle of your back yard if you want.

Thankfully the swimming pool one seems to be off the air. Yeah people . . . let's encourage kids to take a powered television poolside.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 10:31 AM

IMO, AT&T U-Verse started this, DTV is just jumping on the train.

That was my first thought when I saw the ad. AFAIK though, DirecTV doesn't have anything right now that actually competes with the U-Verse wireless receiver.

Ads that imply that you can move the TV out to the middle of the yard are silly (you still need power to the devices) but there is a real market for moving televisions around. Our third TV gets so little use that I've often considered discontinuing it. It would be much more useful to be able to move it around as needed -- out on the patio, down to the shop, etc.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 12:55 PM

Don't forget how erectile dysfunction commercials can allow you to go sailing, have you and your spouse sit in separate bathtubs in beautiful meadows, etc. ;)


And Pepsi ads show people drinking Pepsi and behaving as if they were high as a kite.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 01:04 PM

IMO, AT&T U-Verse started this, DTV is just jumping on the train.

AT&T's campaign about their wireless receivers is even worse. It eliminates the wire from the wall to the cable box. There's still the power cords (2) and the cable from the box to the TV. What's worse is that they market the thing like you can take it out in the middle of your back yard if you want.

Thankfully the swimming pool one seems to be off the air. Yeah people . . . let's encourage kids to take a powered television poolside.


Actually, if the swimming pool meets code, you could dump a plugged in TV into a swimming pool and all you'd do is wreck the TV. Don't believe me? My wife didn't until I threw a plugged in extension cord into our pool and...nothing happened except the GFI tripped, as I told her it would.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 04:05 PM

I think they may be pushing the fact that a C31 client is small enough that it can be mounted behind a wall mounted TV. Their recent installer training goes over a number of mounting options.


+1

When they worded it stop looking at boxes and cables I figured they meant the C31 mounted behind the tv in RF mode.
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 01:56 AM

Actually, if the swimming pool meets code, you could dump a plugged in TV into a swimming pool and all you'd do is wreck the TV. Don't believe me? My wife didn't until I threw a plugged in extension cord into our pool and...nothing happened except the GFI tripped, as I told her it would.

Want to bet how many homes out there meet the required codes? Would you have tried it with your wife IN the pool? Don't answer that! I might question your intentions.




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