Jump to content

Welcome to DBSTalk

Sign In 

Create Account
Welcome to DBSTalk. Our community covers all aspects of video delivery solutions including: Direct Broadcast Satellite (DBS), Cable Television, and Internet Protocol Television (IPTV). We also have forums to discuss popular television programs, home theater equipment, and internet streaming service providers. Members of our community include experts who can help you solve technical problems, industry professionals, company representatives, and novices who are here to learn.

Like most online communities you must register to view or post in our community. Sign-up is a free and simple process that requires minimal information. Be a part of our community by signing in or creating an account. The Digital Bit Stream starts here!
  • Reply to existing topics or start a discussion of your own
  • Subscribe to topics and forums and get email updates
  • Send private personal messages (PM) to other forum members
  • Customize your profile page and make new friends
Guest Message by DevFuse

- - - - -

Genie requires no additional boxes for other rooms now?

  • Please log in to reply
54 replies to this topic

#51 OFFLINE   Rich


    Hall Of Fame

  • DBSTalk Club
  • 25,282 posts
  • LocationPiscataway, NJ
Joined: Feb 22, 2007

Posted 02 April 2013 - 11:20 AM

Want to bet how many homes out there meet the required codes? Would you have tried it with your wife IN the pool? Don't answer that! I might question your intentions.

As a matter of fact, I was in my electrical apprenticeship when a near naked man greeted our class in an electrical lab that we used for hands on learning. We were told to sit down and stay in our seats. The man (wearing only shorts) proceeded to wrap bare wire around his upper body and got into a large tub filled with water and told the instructor to "Plug me in!)...

Let me back up here. The person in shorts was going around the country with his tub and introducing the GFCI (note the difference in the acronym from the now accepted GFI) a new device that...well, let's get back to the story...

So, the instructor first points to the LED on the receptacle and tell us to note the LED is on and the receptacle is energized. Then he plugs in the plug on the bare wire and...nada. We do hear a click and the light on the receptacle goes off, but the guy in the tub is unharmed! Then, he climbs out of the tub and takes the wire off his body. He spent the rest of the session explaining how the GFCI works.

I'm not gonna try to explain how it works, but I will tell you what you'd see if an oscilloscope was used: First, imagine an ordinary single phase 120VAC sine wave. The straight line is 0 volts, the line that shows the voltage is rising and falling between (doing this on memory alone, correct me if I'm wrong) 167VAC measured from the top of the positive sine to the bottom of the negative sine. (I was wrong when I first posted and VOS caught it, bless his heart) Got that? Now imagine that the voltage induced just starts to ascend and is shut off very close to the straight line that signifies 0 volts. That's what happens when a GFI trips. Practically no voltage before shutting down and that's the life saver. I don't know or remember exactly what voltage it trips at, but it's so quick nothing bad can possibly happen.

It's been ~ 40 years since that demonstration and I've never seen a GFI fail. So, yeah, I know what would happen if I threw my wife in the pool with the extension cord plugged into a GFI wrapped around her...nothing. Would I try it? No.

With no GFI, the person would die. He/she would be electrocuted. Another thing to remember, there is no second chance with electrocution. You die. I know state mandated electrocutions have failed, but that's because the electrocution process failed. If you actually get electrocuted there are no second choices.

One more thing about the GFIs: They should be used when a double-insulated tool is used. During the course of their evolution, someone discovered that not only do they interrupt the circuit if it is suddenly grounded, but they also measure leakage from hot to neutral wiring and trip immediately if something is amiss. We had a guy get a wicked shock when using a double-insulated drill and immediately rewrote our hot work procedures to include using a GFI when using double-insulated tools. This information is included in the paperwork you get when you buy most GFIs. Or was.


Edited by Rich, 02 April 2013 - 11:42 AM.
Mistake in voltages

...Ads Help To Support This Site...

#52 OFFLINE   machavez00


    Hall Of Fame

  • Registered
  • 3,726 posts
  • LocationPhoenix, Arizona
Joined: Nov 02, 2006

Posted 02 April 2013 - 08:52 PM

LG has a FiOS app for their newer Smart TVs


Seems to me DirecTV could do the same.

#53 OFFLINE   CCarncross


    Hall Of Fame

  • Registered
  • 7,058 posts
  • LocationJackson
Joined: Jul 19, 2005

Posted 03 April 2013 - 06:12 AM

LG has a FiOS app for their newer Smart TVs


Seems to me DirecTV could do the same.

Be a little hard to do with Directv since FIOS is basically internet streaming in the 1st place. Two completely different animals as far as delivery systems go.



    Hall Of Fame

  • Registered
  • 16,385 posts
  • LocationDripping Springs, TX
Joined: Aug 05, 2002

Posted 03 April 2013 - 08:01 AM

Be a little hard to do with Directv since FIOS is basically internet streaming in the 1st place. Two completely different animals as far as delivery systems go.

I thought FIOS TV used the same system as cable TV (not IPTV) just that it was delivered over fiber. From http://en.wikipedia....ki/Verizon_FiOS

One of the three wavelength bands is devoted to carrying television channels using standard QAM cable television technology. The other two wavelengths are devoted to all other data, one for outbound and the other for inbound data. This includes video on demand, telephone and Internet data.

See post My Setup for configuration info.

#55 OFFLINE   Beerstalker


    Hall Of Fame

  • Registered
  • 3,487 posts
  • LocationPeoria, IL
Joined: Feb 09, 2009

Posted 03 April 2013 - 08:15 AM

It says "FiOS customers subscribing to FiOS TV and FiOS Internet can download our newest app to watch live streaming of select channels and view commercial movies through select LG devices."

To me that sounds kind of like DirecTV's TV anywhere, except its on an LG TV instead of an iPhone/iPad. I think theoretically DirecTV could do pretty much the same thing if they wanted. Take the DirecTV apps for the iPhone or iPad and make them work for different TVs, Blu-Ray players, or something like an AppleTV or Roku.
Sometimes when I reflect back on all the beer I drink I feel ashamed. Then I look into the glass and think about the workers in the brewery and all of their hopes and dreams. If I didn’t drink this beer, they might be out of work and their dreams would be shattered. Then I say to myself, "It is better that I drink this beer and let their dreams come true than be selfish and worry about my liver."
-by Jack Handy

Protected By... spam firewall...And...