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#21 OFFLINE   keenan

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 11:17 AM

I think it was worded quite clearly. Says they cannot offer MLBEI as an alternative to the Pirates games not being on for him.

It is beyond stupid, however. The sports television structure is a mess. The teams, the leagues, the channels and the providers are all to blame.

Open it all up. Just make people pay for it.

They are all fools. The games being available actually ADD to the prestige, the fanbase and, eventually, the bottom line of the teams involved. Not only can they get money for their TV product, but they are the biggest informercials for their actual product around. People watch the games on TV are *more* likely to go to a game than those who can never see them.

My response was to contest this comment made by Msguy, "They are denying him the opportunity to purchase MLB Extra Innings?, DIRECTV is not denying him the opportunity to purchase MLBEI, just that if he does he still won't be able to view Pirates games.

I agree with everything else you've said here, the whole market area/blackout system needs a wholesale revamping, think of the poor folks who live in Las Vegas, they have about 6 teams that claim that area as "market territory".

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#22 OFFLINE   TheRatPatrol

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 11:34 AM

Are you saying these teams claim LV but there is no way to watch the games at all, not even on the RSN's with sports pack?

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 12:00 PM

Are you saying these teams claim LV but there is no way to watch the games at all, not even on the RSN's with sports pack?


I believe that is the case yes, but it's been awhile since it I read and not being affected by it I have not retained the details.

From Wikipedia(not a perfect source, but I believe it's accurate),

Southern Nevada likewise lies within six MLB teams' blackout territories (Athletics, Giants, Angels, Dodgers, Padres, Diamondbacks).


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Posted 30 March 2013 - 12:06 PM

Another thing that annoys me that is if you are a Yankees fan living in DC you can get their games with Extra Innings but you cannot listen to their announcers when they play the Baltimore Orioles or Washington Nationals, you have to watch it on MASN with their announcers. It is stupid. Even with Extra Innings, out of market replays are blacked out. You get one chance to record the game then the 3 replays or so before the next game are blacked out. With Extra Innings (NBA League Pass, etc.) you should be entitled to all content from all teams for that year including live games, replays, team programming and classic games.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 12:11 PM

Another thing that annoys me that is if you are a Yankees fan living in DC you can get their games with Extra Innings but you cannot listen to their announcers when they play the Baltimore Orioles or Washington Nationals, you have to watch it on MASN with their announcers. It is stupid. Even with Extra Innings, out of market replays are blacked out. You get one chance to record the game then the 3 replays or so before the next game are blacked out. With Extra Innings (NBA League Pass, etc.) you should be entitled to all content from all teams for that year including live games, replays, team programming and classic games.


Yes, that's the trouble I have with Dodgers/Giants games, and what makes it worse is that the Dodgers' Prime broadcast is head and shoulders better in quality than the crap we get from the Comcast RSN here in the SF bay area. Not to mention, with the Prime broadcast I get to hear Vin Scully :)

I will say that the Giants' broadcast team of Kuiper and Krukow are my favorites behind Scully, but the nasty looking video and ultra-compressed audio of CSNBA's games are just terrible.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 12:26 PM

@hazard -- I'd contact the Pirates Customer Relations office and complain to them. It's in the best interest of the Pirates that you are able to see their games -- and they could (can't guarantee they will) work with DirecTV to either add your Zip to one of the allowed options.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 12:30 PM

(Yankee fan watching YES Feed of Yankees-Orioles on mobile device in Philadelphia ready to cross into Delaware)
Michael Kay-Here is a drive out to center, see (crosses into Delaware, feed goes out)
Fan-This feed is blacked out tune to MASN. OH CRAP! I thought Delaware was Phillies territory.
Fan 2-It is but it is also MASN territory which 70 percent can't see on cable in their region from Wilmington to Charlotte.
Fan-Turn the car around back to Philly so I can watch the YES Feed.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 06:38 PM

(Yankee fan watching YES Feed of Yankees-Orioles on mobile device in Philadelphia ready to cross into Delaware)
Michael Kay-Here is a drive out to center, see (crosses into Delaware, feed goes out)
Fan-This feed is blacked out tune to MASN. OH CRAP! I thought Delaware was Phillies territory.
Fan 2-It is but it is also MASN territory which 70 percent can't see on cable in their region from Wilmington to Charlotte.
Fan-Turn the car around back to Philly so I can watch the YES Feed.


Is that seriously how the mobile app works? What a bunch of idiots. Someone should print this thread out and staple it to the forehead of every team owner in professional sports. The fact that the mobile app doesn't go off your billing/home address just shows they don't get it. It's like they sat down with the question "how can we most effectively frustrate our biggest fans?"

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 06:55 PM

Here in Vegas we do get rsn's from LA, Oak,sf. In our package. Not sure about San Diego as there rsn is new. Only on we do not get is Arizona, unless you get the sports pack.
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Posted 30 March 2013 - 08:24 PM

Is that seriously how the mobile app works? What a bunch of idiots. Someone should print this thread out and staple it to the forehead of every team owner in professional sports. The fact that the mobile app doesn't go off your billing/home address just shows they don't get it. It's like they sat down with the question "how can we most effectively frustrate our biggest fans?"


Actually, it is logical for a blackout system. It is intended for games that are not local to where you are, not where you live. Addresses are nonsense.

But does it go black when you cross a line? I have never seen it check location except on start.
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Posted 30 March 2013 - 10:11 PM

It is in the interest of Major League Baseball to fix these problems. But for some reason, they seem hesitant to do so. Maybe there is resistance from some teams.

This extreme and ridiculous example of MLB's blackout policy is one that can get legislators acting. They hold hearings on steroids and other baseball issues.


An ideal MLB league-wide policy would basically be:

You get local games from local RSNs either through your RSN (as part of overall TV package) and/or through that RSN's feed if you choose to pay for MLB EI/MLB.TV.

This would seem to solve even the L.V. problem as you could at least pay for it.

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 04:39 AM

move down, to the place what is 40 miles away


If I still had DirecTV, I would have to move one mile to receive Pirate games. Where I live at now (zip code 45714), STO, Fox Cincinnati and Ohio would be my RSN's. But if I would move that one mile into (zip code 26101), ROOT Sports Pittsburgh and the other 3 would be my RSN's. What is more asinine is of the 3 cities, Pittsburgh is closer then Cleveland and Cincinnati from where I live.
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Posted 31 March 2013 - 08:22 AM

I truly feel bad for the original poster.. I cannot comment, why I feel so bad or how we would have much in common, for the rest of the posters would lash out at me..
but it is a true shame and a sham.. plus, as a small market team, such as the Pirates or say the Twins, you would think that they would want as many viewers and possible TICKET BUYERS as possible.. evendentually, they have not learned from, other sports.. where more exposure gives you MORE TICKET SALES.. not less.. why would you or YOUR KID want to go to see a team that you have no investment in?

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 08:51 AM

It is in the interest of Major League Baseball to fix these problems. But for some reason, they seem hesitant to do so. Maybe there is resistance from some teams.

This extreme and ridiculous example of MLB's blackout policy is one that can get legislators acting. They hold hearings on steroids and other baseball issues.


An ideal MLB league-wide policy would basically be:

You get local games from local RSNs either through your RSN (as part of overall TV package) and/or through that RSN's feed if you choose to pay for MLB EI/MLB.TV.

This would seem to solve even the L.V. problem as you could at least pay for it.


what about local games?? at least 99% of the WGN 9 games are on WGN america. But the WGN sports games on WCIU are only shown on a few other OTA channels covering the teams area. The braves used to have that channel on directv that showed OTA games over the teams full area.

But you idea may hit a brick wall with the old cable rules saying that you can get limited basic and add any add on channel pack AKA HBO.
So I don't think RSN will like some getting limited basic and adding MLB EI and makeing a rule saying must get a basic pack that has local RSNs may not work in the courts.

But I think the mlb and nhl blackout lawsuit will at least put some issues in the lights of the courts and any thing can happen. Even RSN's going HBO like where they are add on channels like some used to be (back in the PAY UHF days and some when they first showed up on cable)

Going add on channel likely will lead to CSN NW, CSN Philly + TCN, CSN Houston and dodgers channel showing up on directv.
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Posted 01 April 2013 - 10:19 AM

Just ANOTHER reason to give up pay tv altogether........

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 01:15 PM

a) watch streams
B) use mlbtv and change your web address to overseas
c) get a canuck dish
d) join a sports torrent site.

and the pirates are on wgn the next 3 days until you decide what to do.

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 04:07 PM

a) watch streams
B) use mlbtv and change your web address to overseas
c) get a canuck dish
d) join a sports torrent site.

and the pirates are on wgn the next 3 days until you decide what to do.


Easiest thing to do would be to change your directv service address somewhere closer to Pittsburgh.

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 09:50 PM

Easiest thing to do would be to change your directv service address somewhere closer to Pittsburgh.


And totally against the terms of service. Dont recommend something that could land the subscriber in trouble if caught.

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 06:43 AM

And totally against the terms of service. Dont recommend something that could land the subscriber in trouble if caught.


There is no way for this subscriber to get the Pirates without violating some terms of service, I was just offering an additional, easier, alternatvie to the ones posed by another poster. Not sure you could get in trouble for that anyways, its not like Directv cares, they just have to follow the rules based on the address you give them.

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 10:13 AM

There is no way for this subscriber to get the Pirates without violating some terms of service, I was just offering an additional, easier, alternatvie to the ones posed by another poster. Not sure you could get in trouble for that anyways, its not like Directv cares, they just have to follow the rules based on the address you give them.


I have always believed DTV is not stupid. They carry on a don't ask don't tell policy under the table. They legally cannot allow things to happen concerning false addresses for purposes of either sports territorial restrictions or to evade local tv stations. They know many subscribers do this and look the other way as long as the accounts are current. As long as they legally don't know, they are not legally responsible and cannot be held liable. That is all DTV is concerned about. Once again: DTV is NOT stupid, they know this happens under "the table"




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