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#61 OFFLINE   studechip

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 08:45 AM

Doesn't D* own Root Sports? Why would they black out their own product?


Because MLB tells them to.

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#62 OFFLINE   CCarncross

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 09:28 AM

Doesn't D* own Root Sports? Why would they black out their own product?


Owning a channel and having transmission rights are 2 entirely different things...

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 09:33 AM

Because MLB tells them to.

So is this how the basic story goes?

Each team has a territory (and they can overlap). Games in that territory are unavailable on MLB.TV or MLB EI.

RSN pays local team the right to air the team's games to households in that territory.

MLB charges RSNs fees for airing MLB content based on # subscribers (including live games they've paid the local team the exclusive right to air).


So the RSN will charge the provider a higher price for those areas providing the team's games, which encourages them to restrict the area to where fan interest per viewer is higher.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 02:03 PM

So is this how the basic story goes?

Each team has a territory (and they can overlap). Games in that territory are unavailable on MLB.TV or MLB EI.

RSN pays local team the right to air the team's games to households in that territory.

MLB charges RSNs fees for airing MLB content based on # subscribers (including live games they've paid the local team the exclusive right to air).

So the RSN will charge the provider a higher price for those areas providing the team's games, which encourages them to restrict the area to where fan interest per viewer is higher.


The story of blackouts in general are idiotic in so many ways...most of which involve consumers who want to watch a few games or no games being charged incredibly absurd amounts to fund the absurd deals with TV companies made with the leagues

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 05:18 PM

Doesn't D* own Root Sports? Why would they black out their own product?


The Team likely owns part of the network / want's so much per sub.
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Posted 06 April 2013 - 05:23 PM

The Team likely owns part of the network / want's so much per sub.


The teams don't own Roots. DirecTV Sports Networks owns them.

https://en.wikipedia...orts_Pittsburgh
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Posted 06 April 2013 - 08:17 PM

The teams don't own Roots. DirecTV Sports Networks owns them.

https://en.wikipedia...orts_Pittsburgh


But the team may have some pull / they get so much for each sub in the teams zone.
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Posted 06 April 2013 - 08:49 PM

But the team may have some pull / they get so much for each sub in the teams zone.


Team contracts don't work that way. They get flat money from the channel. Their interest would be to increase their coverage not for the sub money but for the branding. But MLB as a whole sets that, not individual teams.
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 08:19 PM

I've sent notices to DirecTV, MLB and the Pirates themselves asking for an official response. We'll see what they say (if anything).

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 06:18 AM

After two weeks the Pirates have never responded, MLB says they can only talk to the blackout rules & sent me a link to the blackout rules, & DirecTV basically says tough luck.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 09:30 AM

That's why I'm slowly unbecoming a fan of every sport I love because THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT US.........

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 10:50 AM

After two weeks the Pirates have never responded, MLB says they can only talk to the blackout rules & sent me a link to the blackout rules, & DirecTV basically says tough luck.


Isn't it frustrating? When I was trying to figure out my situation, nobody, not one single entity even cared enough to send me a real response, other than a standard canned response. The only real help I got was a couple members here that had contacts.

I am really pulling for that blackout lawsuit that is moving forward now. I'd really like to see these leagues try to explain their blackout lunacy, with a straight face, to the courts.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:36 PM

Similar response for me so far too.

Nothing directly from the Pirates.

MLB sent me a canned response that contained a link to http://www.mlb.com/m...tions/index.jsp. I politely responded telling them I knew what I was blacked out from, I was trying to understand why I was blacked out out MLB.TV/EI AND from local RSNs at the same time. They replied with the exact same response. I doubt they'll respond a third time because I basically asked if they were able to read. :)

Someone responded from DirecTV in a similar way. There were pieces that were canned, but they basically said I was not in the Pirates local area and that's why I didn't receive the RSN. Yet he did say this:

"Our programming department, in conjunction with the sports governing body and the network rights holder, are the ones who determined which RSN are assigned to which zip codes.

I am curious about the link you mentioned was provided to you by MLB support. Based on your feedback, it sounds like we haven't acquired the rights to air Root Sports Pittsburgh in your market (i.e. based on zip code)."

I've sent them the link.

My gut hunch tells me that nothing will come of this, but it may be fun to see how many times I can get MLB.COM to respond with the same response.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 09:05 PM

My gut hunch tells me that nothing will come of this, but it may be fun to see how many times I can get MLB.COM to respond with the same response.


The mlb blackout lawsuit discovery will be a fun read.
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 03:12 PM

As expected, I have received no further communication from anyone.

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 04:20 PM

the MLB rules / team zones are very out of date.

sports.yahoo.com/news/lawsuit-targeting-mlb-s-blackout-policy-allowed-to-proceed-015544096.html

The courts need to fix this.


Agree. I somewhat understand the NFL blackout issues but MLB is driving me crazy with how they will blackout games in my area also. I live in North Ala. and when MLB channel “nationally” televises a Braves game its just about always “blackedout”; when ESPN televises a “national” game, Monday-Saturday that game is also “blackedout”. But when ESPN’s Sunday Night baseball has a Braves games its always televised like Fox's Saturdays games. Why?

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 04:48 PM

ESPN has the exclusive rights to the games they air on Sunday Nights, so there is no local coverage of those games. Other nights of the week it is not exclusive so the team's RSN has the coverage locally while ESPN is blacked out in those markets.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 07:00 PM

Just thought I'd pop in and post about this little oddity.

 

So the blackout site on mlb.tv says that I'm blacked out of the Pirates games. But at least tonight, when I clicked on the game (just to see what would happen), it opened. I just finished watching Burnett lose a no-no in the 7th.

 

I'd be curious to know if it'll be this way every night now.

 

Guess when I'm in the mood to watch them, I'll have to remember to check.



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Posted 01 May 2013 - 09:45 PM

I am actually glad there are other Pirates fans in this area because I had thought I may be the only one out here.  I had lived in Northern Virginia since 2005 and moved to Jefferson County, WV last year and was able to watch all Pirates games on Root Sports Pittsburgh last year with no problem. I also along with the original poster, received that email in late March informing me that no only will the RSN Root Sports Pittsburgh Pirates games be blacked out but they would also be blacked out on the MLB Extra Innings Package that I have purchased for the past 5+ years.

 

What is crazy is I am willing to pay for all the extra packages to get a Pittsburgh Pirates broadcast but unfortunately if you live in Berkeley or Jefferson County, West Virginia you CANNOT watch the Pittsburgh Pirates no matter what.  Not if you subscribe to MLB Extra Innings or subscribe to the package that has the local RSN of Root Sports Pittsburgh.

 

All I can say as a lifelong Pirates fan (Been Watching that horrible team for over 20 years) that I kept the MLB Extra Innings Package and adopted the Kansas City Royals as my new team.  I know this is stupid considering that I am still paying Major League Baseball for the right to watch every game except the one I really want but I have had a blast watching this scrappy Kansas City team.  I hold the Pittsburgh Pirates responsible whether that makes sense or not and now my hope is that the Pittsburgh Pirates continue sucking just as they always have since I started watching those losers.

 

Lets Go K.C.!



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Posted 02 May 2013 - 06:46 AM

I wonder if you can get the games on MLB.TV or on the local cable companies MLBEI package?




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