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Do I own my HR34?


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#26 OFFLINE   goinsleeper

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 10:43 PM

Are you kidding ? Or you're blind.


Don't take what I wrote to mean that D* has a lab of HW/SW engineers and manufacturing plants owned and operated by them. The difference is that D*'s equipment is made for D* and they pick up the bill. AT&T doesn't pick up the bill for R&D on every smart phone they offer. Those costs are split.
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#27 OFFLINE   P Smith

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 10:47 PM

Don't take what I wrote to mean that D* has a lab of HW/SW engineers and manufacturing plants owned and operated by them. The difference is that D*'s equipment is made for D* and they pick up the bill. AT&T doesn't pick up the bill for R&D on every smart phone they offer. Those costs are split.


R&D of each model done by the manufacturers, not by DTV.

And I know (probably more then you know) how phone's companies making devices for AT&T, Verizon, etc.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 10:51 PM

R&D of each model done by the manufacturers, not by DTV.


And it's charitable? Or does D* pay for it?
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 11:01 PM

And I know (probably more then you know) how phone's companies making devices for AT&T, Verizon, etc.

what is up with people jumping to conclusions about other people they never met before on the internet? Really annoying. Just sayin'

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 11:02 PM

what is up with people jumping to conclusions about other people they never met before on the internet? Really annoying. Just sayin'


You are drugging the thread into personal fight, please stop the trend !

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 11:06 PM

You are drugging the thread into personal fight, please stop the trend !


You started it:)

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 11:07 PM

And it's charitable? Or does D* pay for it?

If you know how cellphone's manufacturers doing business with phone service providers, you'll see many similarities between DTV and IRD's manufacturers.

That's why I wrote about the chimeric symbiosis of two business models above.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 11:08 PM

You started it:)


Than you could say something about the topic.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 11:11 PM

You started it:)


Thank you. Cause I was like huh

P Smith typing I know more than you just comes off the wrong way. And before that you called them blind. Please find a way to post without putting down other users :) thats all

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 11:13 PM

No one owns the HR34 unless you paid the steep price for it $600 or $700 I think, just like a buying an unlocked cellphone or one with no contract.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 11:21 PM

No one owns the HR34 unless you paid the steep price for it $600 or $700 I think, just like a buying an unlocked cellphone or one with no contract.


the point is, you (paid subsidized price) will own it after one year if you'll get another one or after expiration of the contract. What you must do with IRD after your contract expired ? And you paid the $100 or $200 for it?

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 11:24 PM

Thank you. Cause I was like huh

P Smith typing I know more than you just comes off the wrong way. And before that you called them blind. Please find a way to post without putting down other users :) thats all

It wasn't insult - I mean anyone knows what the -100, -200 etc means. It's written on your IRD, you see it when you go to Diags ... the post#15 is out of meaning when put DTV against say AT&T
Could you tell me how many customers pay same $100 for same box during its life ?

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 11:28 PM

It wasn't insult - I mean anyone knows what the -100, -200 etc means. It's written on your IRD, you see it when you go to Diags ...


Yes but those are just numbers to a lot of people that are not aware and aren't in this forum, shoot even some CSR's don't know.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 11:34 PM

Yes but those are just numbers to a lot of people that are not aware and aren't in this forum, shoot even some CSR's don't know.


Oh, yeah, new excuse for someone who are arguing in favor of the company ...
If he put his words here, then he should be prepare ... anyway, there are many manufacturers who doing R&D SW&HW development and manufacturing IRDs for DTV. Perhaps DTV DOESN'T do that at all.
and you peacefully escape questions from post#36, hehe

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 11:37 PM

Oh, yeah, new excuse for someone who are arguing in favor of the company ...
If he put his words here, then he should be prepare ... anyway, there are many manufacturers who doing R&D SW&HW development and manufacturing IRDs for DTV. Perhaps DTV DOESN'T do that at all.


I had a customer who taught the 100 on his hr24 meant it was capable of receiving internet speeds of 100 gigs. I kid you not lol

Edited by Volatility, 07 April 2013 - 12:16 PM.


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 11:39 PM

we should educate our customers ... but if you try to arguing here, prepare: no one stone left unturned !

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 11:41 PM

the point is, you (paid subsidized price) will own it after one year if you'll get another one or after expiration of the contract. What you must do with IRD after your contract expired ? And you paid the $100 or $200 for it?

The cell phone comments are not entirely accurate. Cell phones are not leased. The customer owns the phone immediately and may do whatever they want with the phone immediately (destroy, sell, whatever).

Regardless of what the customer does with the phone they are responsible for the separate service contract that they sign. They will need to fulfill that service contract or pay ETF to end that service contract. Making the commitment to the service contract leads to a discount on the phone. But the phone is NOT leased.

Comparing satellite to cell phone also fails when it comes to pricing. Once the customer agrees to the cell phone price plan it is their price until the customer chooses to change the plan. Annual increases even after the initial one or two year commitment do not come in to play. Even customers who bring their own device and run month to month without commitment do not fall under routine price increases. With few exceptions (the cell phone company ceasing service being the primary one) once you agree to the price plan you do not need to worry about a cell phone company changing the price. Satellite service does not follow that pricing scheme.

I wish one could buy satellite service and never see a price increase unless one changed their own plan. But that is not the way it works. I wish one could buy satellite receivers at deep discounts in exchange for one or two year commitments and own them on day one but that is not the way it works (at least not any more).

DBS service and cellphones - apples and oranges.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 11:41 PM

Oh, yeah, new excuse for someone who are arguing in favor of the company ...
If he put his words here, then he should be prepare ... anyway, there are many manufacturers who doing R&D SW&HW development and manufacturing IRDs for DTV. Perhaps DTV DOESN'T do that at all.
and you peacefully escape questions from post#36, hehe


What? I'm talking about subs not the company, and who's arguing when all I'm saying are facts.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 11:55 PM

Sat comps made the turn not that long ago. Before we could pay full price for the IRDs (Target, Fry's, Wall-mart, etc) or after one year contract (no payment for the equipment !!!) own the box, LNBF, switch, etc after one year contract. That works with leasing model simultaneously, but that time wasn't the ridiculous upfront fee. The fee is pure "burglary" !

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 11:57 PM

What? I'm talking about subs not the company, and who's arguing when all I'm saying are facts.


Oh ! I didn't realize you are posting under two nicks and post#13 is your. :D

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 12:26 AM

Sat comps made the turn not that long ago. Before we could pay full price for the IRDs (Target, Fry's, Wall-mart, etc) or after one year contract (no payment for the equipment !!!) own the box, LNBF, switch, etc after one year contract. That works with leasing model simultaneously, but that time wasn't the ridiculous upfront fee. The fee is pure "burglary" !

It is a one time "lifetime" lease deal ... and not a bad deal in the long run. If one buys their receiver it is only worth what they can sell it for later. Lease for $100 and pay the same monthly fees as an owned receiver or own for $500-$600 and hope that one can get $400-$500 out of the receiver on resale?

Yes, it can get old paying $100 for lease upgrades every couple of years to get the latest greatest model. But the introduction of those new models leads to the devaluing of the old models. How does one sell their $500 owned receiver for $400 and break even when newer models are on the market?

The primary value I can see in owning the receiver is knowing what receiver you are paying for. Unless one can specify the exact model when leasing buying can be a benefit. People who like to open covers an tweak their receivers are also less restricted on an owned receiver. But these choices come at a price.

If the resell market is strong enough that owning and reselling for each upgrade saves money then it makes sense to do so. But if one is going to lose more than the one time lease fee every time they do an upgrade they are paying for the "other benefits" of owning.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 05:50 AM

Wisdom ? Nay ... there are only two companies on the market .. and each second year they're trying to merge.


err no, look again you missed quite a few

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 07:22 AM

The primary value I can see in owning the receiver is knowing what receiver you are paying for.


Being able to deactivate and retain the receiver, then reactivate it at a future time, is also an advantage if you have a seldom used viewing location such as a guest room that is only occupied a few weeks out of the year. With an owned receiver you do not have a recurring acquisition cost. Under the leased model you would have to pay the upfront fee every time you wanted to activate that location. Under this scenario, it is actually less costly to keep the receiver active year round than to pay the acquisition cost for the receiver annually.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 09:13 AM

Being able to deactivate and retain the receiver, then reactivate it at a future time, is also an advantage if you have a seldom used viewing location such as a guest room that is only occupied a few weeks out of the year. With an owned receiver you do not have a recurring acquisition cost. Under the leased model you would have to pay the upfront fee every time you wanted to activate that location. Under this scenario, it is actually less costly to keep the receiver active year round than to pay the acquisition cost for the receiver annually.


That there is why i have an extra H25 on my account. I have a extra tubed Tv in the garage so i can watch the news, weather or listen to music while i am tinkering around in there... It's only really warm enough 8 months out of there year for me to heavily use it. It's much cheaper to pay the upfront cost of $99 and keep it active year round than to add/remove when needed.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 09:30 AM

No one owns the HR34 unless you paid the steep price for it $600 or $700 I think, just like a buying an unlocked cellphone or one with no contract.


Not true.
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