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#51 OFFLINE   bobcamp1

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 10:56 AM

This is my point, DirecTV cannot compete with a bundle, because they cannot offer economical highspeed internet. At any rate, after more than a decade with DirecTV, low cost is obviously not my primary motive.


D* sometimes offers their own bundle with local phone/Internet providers. Some of them aren't advertised. You get them by calling retention when you go to cancel. I was offered the advertised bundle, said I still wanted to cancel, followed by a better bundle I almost took but it still cost $20 more per month.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 12:03 PM

Around here, ATT is the only bundle. In my neighborhood, DSL is the only thing ATT offers. Non-starter.

D* sometimes offers their own bundle with local phone/Internet providers. Some of them aren't advertised. You get them by calling retention when you go to cancel. I was offered the advertised bundle, said I still wanted to cancel, followed by a better bundle I almost took but it still cost $20 more per month.


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:00 PM

Why do people keep mentioning that the price will go up in two years when someone says they are switching carriers?

I think we all know that, but my $40 per month savings the first year and $20 per month savings the second year when I switched to FiOS put me $720 ahead of the game. I'll worry about the pricing and possibly going back to DirecTV when the two years are up.

There's so much more VOD, both free and premium, available on FiOS compared with DirecTV there's no comparison. At least that was the situation when I switched.

I'm in LA and not a pro football fan so Sunday Ticket was never a consideration. It looks like it will be another two years or so before LA gets a team.

I did the opposite, switched from Time Warner Cable to DIRECTV and saved over $800 my first 2 years. I got by with cable, because my father-in-law had DIRECTV with NFLST. So we would go to his house to watch the games on Sunday. When he passed, I made the switch to DIRECTV. Now with NFLST and NHLCI having all the games I watch in HD, it would be hard for me to switch. Although if TW Cable suddenly had NFLST and NHLCI with all HD and I could save $800 again, I would switch.

That's why I stuck with DSL for so long, but the 6Mbs down and 1 up no longer made up for the dedicated pipe. I need the speed, my business is software and I run from home as often as not.

When I switched DIRECTV, I dropped TW Cable TV and Internet. For internet I went to AT&T, since they had the best speed available at the time. And it was the same 6MBbs you had, which was actually 5Mbps consistently. Then Time Warner upgraded their equipment and I switched back.

I see not worshiping at the alter of tv...but it does sound like you do worship at the internet speed alter...I get the price, but quite truthfully you couldnt pay me to use their all share the pipe topology...

You're right about sharing the pipe, the speed can vary. Although I now prefer to share the pipe using TW Cable. I only have 20Mbs service, but I get higher speeds then I had. Even at peak usage times, I get more than 10Mbs, which is double what I was getting with AT&T. It cost more @ $40/mo, then AT&T was @ $20/mo, but its worth it. Especially since I work from home when not traveling and my employer pays up to $50 for internet service. So its actually free for me.
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 07:41 PM

Comcast Internet speed vs price sucks. I'm not sure about ATT but my local Telco offers 40 down and 20 up for $65 a month, which Comcast charges about $80 for 25 down and 5 up.


Depends where you live and what your choices are. I'm certainly not a Comcast fan (hence I'm browsing a DirecTV forum)....but I've got to give them credit on the Internet service in my area.

I used to stick with Telco DSL to avoid the supposed shared pipe problem. I was paying $63/month for 10 down, 768k up. Never got quite the advertised speeds, usually in the 8's on download speeds. Called the Telco and told them I needed a faster upload speed (company VPN was struggling when working from home and making VOIP calls), they said it wasn't available.

So I am currently paying Comcast $30/month for 25 down, 5 up. That will go to $65/month after 12 months. (Those prices are Internet only. I could add basic cable for $5/month if I desired.)

And regarding the consistency of the shared pipe.....I've never gotten less than 20 down on speedtest in the 6 months I've been on Comcast. Not a single time. Up speeds vary a bit, but never less than 3.5 Mbps. And I frequently get speedtest results that exceed my supposed 25/5 limits -- they've been as high as 32/8 during primetime, and I just got 28/6 as I was typing this.

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 10:14 PM

Depends where you live and what your choices are. I'm certainly not a Comcast fan (hence I'm browsing a DirecTV forum)....but I've got to give them credit on the Internet service in my area.

I used to stick with Telco DSL to avoid the supposed shared pipe problem. I was paying $63/month for 10 down, 768k up. Never got quite the advertised speeds, usually in the 8's on download speeds. Called the Telco and told them I needed a faster upload speed (company VPN was struggling when working from home and making VOIP calls), they said it wasn't available.

So I am currently paying Comcast $30/month for 25 down, 5 up. That will go to $65/month after 12 months. (Those prices are Internet only. I could add basic cable for $5/month if I desired.)

And regarding the consistency of the shared pipe.....I've never gotten less than 20 down on speedtest in the 6 months I've been on Comcast. Not a single time. Up speeds vary a bit, but never less than 3.5 Mbps. And I frequently get speedtest results that exceed my supposed 25/5 limits -- they've been as high as 32/8 during primetime, and I just got 28/6 as I was typing this.



I'm not their biggest fan either, especially after finding out 90-95% of the cost of their higher end internet packages are pure revenue. I currently get the 25 down / 5 up package but in my area they're increasing our speeds as some kind of competitve trial or something, and currently I'm speed testing at 65 megs down and 11-12 up. I would have to say it's rather nice. I've never tested lower than 33 megs down, even before they increased the speeds. I'm running a DOCSIS 3 Motorola SURFboard with an ASUS RT-N56U wireless router. Computer is wirelessly connected to the router which is about 20 feet away with no walls blocking. I've got a Logitech Revue in my bedroom which is quite a bit further away with walls between and it has flawless connection.

I posted incorrectly in another thread about Google Fiber in Kansas City. Last I checked, their gigabit connections were $60/mo. Sad days when everyone else is looking at $70+ for 25 megs...
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Posted 15 April 2013 - 12:52 PM

Spent some time with Comcast vs DirecTV at lunch. Picture-wise, HD is pretty similar. However, Comcast's channel guide looks about 20 years old, with weird number choices and no way to sort between what you are subscribed to and not, and no indicator in guide to let you know if you get the channel or not. Plus, if I want, for example, WPTV channel 5 in HD, I have to remember that 5 is SD, and some bizarre number in the 400's is the HD version.

 

Their guide, in short, is awful, compared to DirecTV. Not sure it's $140 some dollars awful, though. I'll give it a few months with both yet.


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Posted 15 April 2013 - 02:50 PM


Why are people so willing to change providers every 2 years? I guess I found the provider I am happy with that can provide more of my tv needs than any other provider out there. For that they get my business. I am sure I could get some of what I want cheaper somewhere else but I think I will pass. Kinds of reminds me of buying something you really want from a knockoff website you never heard of because its half the price and supposedly the same item as you are looking for. It never works out that way.

Besides my $720 savings over two years, I also got a larger-capacity, responsive multiroom DVR, lots more VOD, a much better SD picture, and local public-service channels with my switch to FiOS. The slow DVR response to my remote inputs is what started me on the search for another provider.


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Posted 15 April 2013 - 02:57 PM

Spent some time with Comcast vs DirecTV at lunch. Picture-wise, HD is pretty similar. However, Comcast's channel guide looks about 20 years old, with weird number choices and no way to sort between what you are subscribed to and not, and no indicator in guide to let you know if you get the channel or not. Plus, if I want, for example, WPTV channel 5 in HD, I have to remember that 5 is SD, and some bizarre number in the 400's is the HD version.

 

Their guide, in short, is awful, compared to DirecTV. Not sure it's $140 some dollars awful, though. I'll give it a few months with both yet.

I never understood why cable did it this way. It also is the bane of a lot of us (fortunately not me), where we can't get our parents etc to switch to the HD channel, even though they have HD service etc.

 

A friend of mine has lamented that DirecTV does not do it this way, he preferred them being split. I'd hate it.



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Posted 15 April 2013 - 03:36 PM

I never understood why cable did it this way. It also is the bane of a lot of us (fortunately not me), where we can't get our parents etc to switch to the HD channel, even though they have HD service etc.

 

A friend of mine has lamented that DirecTV does not do it this way, he preferred them being split. I'd hate it.

There actually is a valid reason why cable doesn't do that which is only slowly fading away. When part of  a cable system is analog "channel 4" has  a very specific meaning. Until you are 100% digital you cant have two "channel 4"s.  Of couse they could have done like DirecTV did with On Demand and just added 1000 to the SD channel number - 4 SD is 1004 HD, 210 SD id 1210 HD, etc  On a funny side note to this, when a system does try to go 100% digital there is usally a ton of complaints because every TV now needs a cable box


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Posted 15 April 2013 - 05:38 PM

Spent some time with Comcast vs DirecTV at lunch. Picture-wise, HD is pretty similar. However, Comcast's channel guide looks about 20 years old, with weird number choices and no way to sort between what you are subscribed to and not, and no indicator in guide to let you know if you get the channel or not. 

 

If you're not going to use a third-party approach, TiVo or Cable Card for HTPC with extender, you're probably not going to adjust to Comcast's equipment. 


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Posted 16 April 2013 - 06:17 AM

If you're not going to use a third-party approach, TiVo or Cable Card for HTPC with extender, you're probably not going to adjust to Comcast's equipment. 

 

I can adjust to anything. The only reason I am considering Comcast at all is their TV comes for free with my internet for the next two years. Otherwise, i was considering no pay TV at all.

 

After a night of watching Comcast and switching between Sat and Cable sources, Comcast's audio comes across as "muddy" (my wife's words, to boot). Some channels look overly sharpened, and I did notice some motion artifacts I don't get on DirecTV.


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Posted 16 April 2013 - 07:33 AM

There actually is a valid reason why cable doesn't do that which is only slowly fading away. When part of  a cable system is analog "channel 4" has  a very specific meaning. Until you are 100% digital you cant have two "channel 4"s.  Of couse they could have done like DirecTV did with On Demand and just added 1000 to the SD channel number - 4 SD is 1004 HD, 210 SD id 1210 HD, etc  On a funny side note to this, when a system does try to go 100% digital there is usally a ton of complaints because every TV now needs a cable box

 

I saw a few days ago that Comcast was going to start requiring boxes.



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Posted 16 April 2013 - 11:59 AM

I can adjust to anything...

But it will be a very unpleasant adjustment. Cable DVRs are incredibly bad. I thought I could adjust too, but I couldn't. I only lasted a few days before I broke down and built an HTPC. You should at least have a backup plan for Tivo or HTPC, if not to avoid the cable DVR's 30 year old interface, then at least to save a lot of money.


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:53 PM

I posted near the beginning of this thread that I was switching to Comcast after 16 1/2 years with Directv. Well I have had Comcast for a week now and on the plus side I would say the picture is slightly better than Dorectv but other than that, and the faster Internet speed, I do not like the Comcast experience.

The instal could not be done on the first appt because they needed to get into the neighbors backyard and they weren't home. So after many calls it got rescheduled for the following Saturday. That appt took 4 hours and they tried to give me a box with no HDMI, got that straightened out then one of the two small hd boxes was doa so they gave me a massive box instead. The installer left some trash and did not leave a remote for our family room fortunately I have a Harmony remote for that room any way.

After the install the Internet works great and the picture quality is a little better than I had with Directv, just a little, but the guide is a joke, very frustrating, the wife already said she hates it and having to watch a number of shows I like 3 hours later is a pain. All of these issues have me rethinking my decision and what I can drop from my suspended Directv service to get the cost down, cancel Comcast and go back to Directv.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 03:06 PM

I agree, the guide is a silly joke. The box is, however, responsive. I have not had the same picture experience in my neighborhood, but its close enough to not be a major concern. The audio, however, is a good deal worse, even their "uncompressed" DD 5.1 signal is muddy.  Still, I'm getting TV free with my $70 internet connection, DirecTV for $140 on top of that is still a major decision point.


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 03:57 PM

That is a major cost savings hard to ignore, fortunately my audio with Comcast is excellent. My cost savings is less than yours $55 a month for the first year although the package with Comcast is less as well, no dvr and fewer channels.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 04:16 PM

That is a major cost savings hard to ignore, fortunately my audio with Comcast is excellent. My cost savings is less than yours $55 a month for the first year although the package with Comcast is less as well, no dvr and fewer channels.

You should seriously consider an HTPC. You'll have a DVR on par with DirecTV and even better in some ways and save a lot of money to boot. It's the only way I've been able to survive the shock of cable DVRs. Mine is an 8-tuner whole home system that works beautifully and looks fantastic. And it's fully integrated with the rest of my media (videos, music, photos, movie rips, BBC iPlayer, Hulu, Netflix, etc.). Plus it works so seamlessly, my wife still thinks we have satellite.


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 08:15 PM

Do you have recommendations for the tuner cards, software, etc that you used to build the HTPC?

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 04:24 PM

Do you have recommendations for the tuner cards, software, etc that you used to build the HTPC?

My system is very simple. I just use Windows Media Center, which is free with Windows 7 ($10 add-on, I think, with Windows 8). My cards are Ceton InfiniTV quad tuner PCIe cards. They also make USB versions. Silicon Dust and Haupauge make 2, 3 and 4 tuner models as well, like the HD Homerun Prime. The key is to make sure you get a cable-card tuner so you can access all your subscribed channels. My other TVs interface with my main HTPC via "extenders" which can be Xboxes, Ceton Echos, and a few others. This works very similar to the way a Genie and C31/C41 clients work or Hopper/Joey if you are coming from Dish. It's not a viable option if you have a lot of TV's since you can only have 6 clients simultaneously using the system, but it's plenty for my 4 person household.



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Posted 18 April 2013 - 05:18 PM

I agree, the guide is a silly joke. The box is, however, responsive. I have not had the same picture experience in my neighborhood, but its close enough to not be a major concern. The audio, however, is a good deal worse, even their "uncompressed" DD 5.1 signal is muddy.  Still, I'm getting TV free with my $70 internet connection, DirecTV for $140 on top of that is still a major decision point.

I can only assume you had quite a bit of programming with that $140 D* bill.  I would imagine you could trim a ton of stuff off in order to make the price more feasible.  What package did Comcast give you?


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 06:06 PM

I can only assume you had quite a bit of programming with that $140 D* bill.  I would imagine you could trim a ton of stuff off in order to make the price more feasible.  What package did Comcast give you?

No, pretty basic, but I have two DVR's and 3 STBs


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 07:52 PM

Since we're touching on HTPC and DVR options, The Green Button is a great WMC resource: http://www.thegreenb...orums/index.php

 

And Tuner Salad now supports 32 tuners in W7 and W8 MC!  :gott:  http://www.mychannel...unserSalad.aspx


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 07:17 AM

While 32 tuners is great, remember you're still limited to 5 simultaneous extender (client) sessions. That's 6 possible viewers per server. I guess you could at least record 32 programs at once.



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Posted 19 April 2013 - 08:02 AM

You should seriously consider an HTPC. You'll have a DVR on par with DirecTV and even better in some ways and save a lot of money to boot. It's the only way I've been able to survive the shock of cable DVRs. Mine is an 8-tuner whole home system that works beautifully and looks fantastic. And it's fully integrated with the rest of my media (videos, music, photos, movie rips, BBC iPlayer, Hulu, Netflix, etc.). Plus it works so seamlessly, my wife still thinks we have satellite.

 

 

I have a stupid question.  Do you subscribe to cable and use the HTPC for DVR?  Does this save much money?  I would be interested in building my own if it cut my bill down.



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Posted 19 April 2013 - 05:33 PM

No, pretty basic, but I have two DVR's and 3 STBs

So 5 receivers total?  That's $24 in mirroring fees and $10 for DVR service.  That would leave around $100 for programming and Ultimate is only $77.99/mo.


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