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#41 OFFLINE   litex2x

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 03:40 PM

I agree but I think everyone looks at value differently. I'm willing to pay $73/mo for my internet because I use it frequently. There are others who may use it more than me but think $73 is ridiculous. I look at whether or not something is personally worth it to me before looking at costs. I feel too many people these days look at the cost before looking at the product/service then jump to their own conslusions.


Agreed. The culture is changing and people want to watch shows on their own schedule. The majority of all my friends seem to only ever watch TV shows on Netflix and rarely watch the premieres of new episodes. If you're strapped for cash the internet is really the only thing you need at home to provide entertainment so its no surprise most people are looking for value.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 04:12 PM

Lets be honest here, most are not going to have a setup like that. Most of the time Cable DCVR's are a far cry from DirecTV's. The cable company in my town (CableOne) offers a HD DVR that holds 20 hours. Good lord that would not work for me. I probably have double that on my DVR now and that is the lowest its been in awhile. Not to mention normal Cable DVR fees are much more expensive and in some cases are a per receiver fee as well. You solution would not work for what 95% of the target audience?

Very true. I would not wish a cable DVR on anyone. They are shockingly antiquated. And WMC users are a very small group. But I just wanted to illustrate that it is possible to have a good DVR if you bring your own (even Tivo), and save a ton of money to boot. I thought I would never resort to WMC myself, but turns out it was much easier to set up and use than I ever dreamed. So I highly recommend it to anyone on cable. If WMC weren't an option, I'd still have DirecTV. In my current situation, I'm saving at least $40/month versus satellite or cable DVRs.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 04:33 PM

I still have cable tv per se through my Internet even though there's only digital unscrambled QAM channels that the TV scans, when hooking another cable up from a 2-way splitter to the tv. But I heard there getting rid of those unscrambled channels also, At this point in time it doesn't seem to be a bad idea changing providers every 2 years just to get customer discounts if there's no other way get discounts or credits if you aren't eligible.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 05:13 PM

It never hurts to ask for credits when you tell them that you are paying too much or you're struggling making payments, whenever you call about your situation they are willing to help you out if you feel you are paying too much, And if that doesn't work you can always say you are canceling to another provider to see what approach they'll make.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 05:36 PM

People talking about how much their time is worth and yet having many thousand posts on an internet forum is kind of funny. lol



I think this is one of the best posts I have ever seen here!!:D You are right on with that post too.

The truth is it's nobody's business why people switch every two years. It doesn't mean that a person is cheap either. People do what is best for them and their family. Who are we call people cheap?? If you don't like it tough. I have no idea how people can be "fanboys" of a TV provider. There is way more to life than TV.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 06:50 PM

People talking about how much their time is worth and yet having many thousand posts on an internet forum is kind of funny. lol


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Posted 09 April 2013 - 06:55 PM

I think this is one of the best posts I have ever seen here!!:D You are right on with that post too.

The truth is it's nobody's business why people switch every two years. It doesn't mean that a person is cheap either. People do what is best for them and their family. Who are we call people cheap?? If you don't like it tough. I have no idea how people can be "fanboys" of a TV provider. There is way more to life than TV.

I agree with you . It doesn't mean people are cheap if they want to save some money. How about this one. A fool and his money are soon parted. Why pay X for A, when you can get A and B for the same price?

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 06:59 PM

Why are people so willing to change providers every 2 years? I guess I found the provider I am happy with that can provide more of my tv needs than any other provider out there. For that they get my business. I am sure I could get some of what I want cheaper somewhere else but I think I will pass. Kinds of reminds me of buying something you really want from a knockoff website you never heard of because its half the price and supposedly the same item as you are looking for. It never works out that way.


I'll tell you exactly why. Five months ago, I was way out of contract with DTV, and I called to see if I could get a WHDVR, and some money knocked off. My bill had risen to about $100 a month, and I had two HR 22's that were painful to use. They said no, they couldn't do anything for me. I went to cable. They gave me a "deal", I already had phone and internet with them, and they were given me cable for $70 a month that included everything I wanted, and a WHDVR. 2 months later, they raised my phone and internet, about $25, and told me my guaranteed price was only on my cable. Then I called to cancel my home phone. There was a new tower built by my house, and I could now get great cell phone coverage. They were going to RAISE my bill another $30 if I cancelled home phone, because I'd be losing my bundle (even though they had told me my cable was on a separate contract). I answered one of the DTV's emails, and now I'm getting WHDVR, cinema connection, MLB EI, and Sunday Ticket for free, and the ultimate package for like $64 a month, and like $80 a month for the second year. So I've lowered my bill a considerable amount, gotten new equipment, and gotten more channels. I really had no intention of coming back, but their deal was too sweet to pass up. My install is tomorrow.
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 08:21 PM

Comcast Internet speed vs price sucks. I'm not sure about ATT but my local Telco offers 40 down and 20 up for $65 a month, which Comcast charges about $80 for 25 down and 5 up. If I could get my apartment manager to get phone line installed that isn't 40 years old I would switch from Comcast with out a second question. I would contact ATT first just to see what they may have in your area since you last inquired.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 01:30 PM

People talking about how much their time is worth and yet having many thousand posts on an internet forum is kind of funny. lol


MY time is worth money, That is why I have high Speed Internet.

On the other part of it. I do have well over 5,000 posts on another forum, However I'm a Moderator there so that is to be expected.

I value my time enough to not want to wait for something on slow Internet.
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Posted 11 April 2013 - 10:56 AM

This is my point, DirecTV cannot compete with a bundle, because they cannot offer economical highspeed internet. At any rate, after more than a decade with DirecTV, low cost is obviously not my primary motive.


D* sometimes offers their own bundle with local phone/Internet providers. Some of them aren't advertised. You get them by calling retention when you go to cancel. I was offered the advertised bundle, said I still wanted to cancel, followed by a better bundle I almost took but it still cost $20 more per month.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 12:03 PM

Around here, ATT is the only bundle. In my neighborhood, DSL is the only thing ATT offers. Non-starter.

D* sometimes offers their own bundle with local phone/Internet providers. Some of them aren't advertised. You get them by calling retention when you go to cancel. I was offered the advertised bundle, said I still wanted to cancel, followed by a better bundle I almost took but it still cost $20 more per month.


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:00 PM

Why do people keep mentioning that the price will go up in two years when someone says they are switching carriers?

I think we all know that, but my $40 per month savings the first year and $20 per month savings the second year when I switched to FiOS put me $720 ahead of the game. I'll worry about the pricing and possibly going back to DirecTV when the two years are up.

There's so much more VOD, both free and premium, available on FiOS compared with DirecTV there's no comparison. At least that was the situation when I switched.

I'm in LA and not a pro football fan so Sunday Ticket was never a consideration. It looks like it will be another two years or so before LA gets a team.

I did the opposite, switched from Time Warner Cable to DIRECTV and saved over $800 my first 2 years. I got by with cable, because my father-in-law had DIRECTV with NFLST. So we would go to his house to watch the games on Sunday. When he passed, I made the switch to DIRECTV. Now with NFLST and NHLCI having all the games I watch in HD, it would be hard for me to switch. Although if TW Cable suddenly had NFLST and NHLCI with all HD and I could save $800 again, I would switch.

That's why I stuck with DSL for so long, but the 6Mbs down and 1 up no longer made up for the dedicated pipe. I need the speed, my business is software and I run from home as often as not.

When I switched DIRECTV, I dropped TW Cable TV and Internet. For internet I went to AT&T, since they had the best speed available at the time. And it was the same 6MBbs you had, which was actually 5Mbps consistently. Then Time Warner upgraded their equipment and I switched back.

I see not worshiping at the alter of tv...but it does sound like you do worship at the internet speed alter...I get the price, but quite truthfully you couldnt pay me to use their all share the pipe topology...

You're right about sharing the pipe, the speed can vary. Although I now prefer to share the pipe using TW Cable. I only have 20Mbs service, but I get higher speeds then I had. Even at peak usage times, I get more than 10Mbs, which is double what I was getting with AT&T. It cost more @ $40/mo, then AT&T was @ $20/mo, but its worth it. Especially since I work from home when not traveling and my employer pays up to $50 for internet service. So its actually free for me.
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 07:41 PM

Comcast Internet speed vs price sucks. I'm not sure about ATT but my local Telco offers 40 down and 20 up for $65 a month, which Comcast charges about $80 for 25 down and 5 up.


Depends where you live and what your choices are. I'm certainly not a Comcast fan (hence I'm browsing a DirecTV forum)....but I've got to give them credit on the Internet service in my area.

I used to stick with Telco DSL to avoid the supposed shared pipe problem. I was paying $63/month for 10 down, 768k up. Never got quite the advertised speeds, usually in the 8's on download speeds. Called the Telco and told them I needed a faster upload speed (company VPN was struggling when working from home and making VOIP calls), they said it wasn't available.

So I am currently paying Comcast $30/month for 25 down, 5 up. That will go to $65/month after 12 months. (Those prices are Internet only. I could add basic cable for $5/month if I desired.)

And regarding the consistency of the shared pipe.....I've never gotten less than 20 down on speedtest in the 6 months I've been on Comcast. Not a single time. Up speeds vary a bit, but never less than 3.5 Mbps. And I frequently get speedtest results that exceed my supposed 25/5 limits -- they've been as high as 32/8 during primetime, and I just got 28/6 as I was typing this.

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 10:14 PM

Depends where you live and what your choices are. I'm certainly not a Comcast fan (hence I'm browsing a DirecTV forum)....but I've got to give them credit on the Internet service in my area.

I used to stick with Telco DSL to avoid the supposed shared pipe problem. I was paying $63/month for 10 down, 768k up. Never got quite the advertised speeds, usually in the 8's on download speeds. Called the Telco and told them I needed a faster upload speed (company VPN was struggling when working from home and making VOIP calls), they said it wasn't available.

So I am currently paying Comcast $30/month for 25 down, 5 up. That will go to $65/month after 12 months. (Those prices are Internet only. I could add basic cable for $5/month if I desired.)

And regarding the consistency of the shared pipe.....I've never gotten less than 20 down on speedtest in the 6 months I've been on Comcast. Not a single time. Up speeds vary a bit, but never less than 3.5 Mbps. And I frequently get speedtest results that exceed my supposed 25/5 limits -- they've been as high as 32/8 during primetime, and I just got 28/6 as I was typing this.



I'm not their biggest fan either, especially after finding out 90-95% of the cost of their higher end internet packages are pure revenue. I currently get the 25 down / 5 up package but in my area they're increasing our speeds as some kind of competitve trial or something, and currently I'm speed testing at 65 megs down and 11-12 up. I would have to say it's rather nice. I've never tested lower than 33 megs down, even before they increased the speeds. I'm running a DOCSIS 3 Motorola SURFboard with an ASUS RT-N56U wireless router. Computer is wirelessly connected to the router which is about 20 feet away with no walls blocking. I've got a Logitech Revue in my bedroom which is quite a bit further away with walls between and it has flawless connection.

I posted incorrectly in another thread about Google Fiber in Kansas City. Last I checked, their gigabit connections were $60/mo. Sad days when everyone else is looking at $70+ for 25 megs...
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Posted 15 April 2013 - 12:52 PM

Spent some time with Comcast vs DirecTV at lunch. Picture-wise, HD is pretty similar. However, Comcast's channel guide looks about 20 years old, with weird number choices and no way to sort between what you are subscribed to and not, and no indicator in guide to let you know if you get the channel or not. Plus, if I want, for example, WPTV channel 5 in HD, I have to remember that 5 is SD, and some bizarre number in the 400's is the HD version.

 

Their guide, in short, is awful, compared to DirecTV. Not sure it's $140 some dollars awful, though. I'll give it a few months with both yet.


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Posted 15 April 2013 - 02:50 PM


Why are people so willing to change providers every 2 years? I guess I found the provider I am happy with that can provide more of my tv needs than any other provider out there. For that they get my business. I am sure I could get some of what I want cheaper somewhere else but I think I will pass. Kinds of reminds me of buying something you really want from a knockoff website you never heard of because its half the price and supposedly the same item as you are looking for. It never works out that way.

Besides my $720 savings over two years, I also got a larger-capacity, responsive multiroom DVR, lots more VOD, a much better SD picture, and local public-service channels with my switch to FiOS. The slow DVR response to my remote inputs is what started me on the search for another provider.


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Posted 15 April 2013 - 02:57 PM

Spent some time with Comcast vs DirecTV at lunch. Picture-wise, HD is pretty similar. However, Comcast's channel guide looks about 20 years old, with weird number choices and no way to sort between what you are subscribed to and not, and no indicator in guide to let you know if you get the channel or not. Plus, if I want, for example, WPTV channel 5 in HD, I have to remember that 5 is SD, and some bizarre number in the 400's is the HD version.

 

Their guide, in short, is awful, compared to DirecTV. Not sure it's $140 some dollars awful, though. I'll give it a few months with both yet.

I never understood why cable did it this way. It also is the bane of a lot of us (fortunately not me), where we can't get our parents etc to switch to the HD channel, even though they have HD service etc.

 

A friend of mine has lamented that DirecTV does not do it this way, he preferred them being split. I'd hate it.



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Posted 15 April 2013 - 03:36 PM

I never understood why cable did it this way. It also is the bane of a lot of us (fortunately not me), where we can't get our parents etc to switch to the HD channel, even though they have HD service etc.

 

A friend of mine has lamented that DirecTV does not do it this way, he preferred them being split. I'd hate it.

There actually is a valid reason why cable doesn't do that which is only slowly fading away. When part of  a cable system is analog "channel 4" has  a very specific meaning. Until you are 100% digital you cant have two "channel 4"s.  Of couse they could have done like DirecTV did with On Demand and just added 1000 to the SD channel number - 4 SD is 1004 HD, 210 SD id 1210 HD, etc  On a funny side note to this, when a system does try to go 100% digital there is usally a ton of complaints because every TV now needs a cable box


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Posted 15 April 2013 - 05:38 PM

Spent some time with Comcast vs DirecTV at lunch. Picture-wise, HD is pretty similar. However, Comcast's channel guide looks about 20 years old, with weird number choices and no way to sort between what you are subscribed to and not, and no indicator in guide to let you know if you get the channel or not. 

 

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