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Will Fox Shut Down Their OTA Network Over Hopper And Aereo?

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#21 OFFLINE   KyL416


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Posted 09 April 2013 - 05:40 PM

Personally I doubt the validity of their "one antenna serves one subscriber" claim.

It's not true at all, I was able to watch multiple channels at the same time just by grabbing the urls in the media cache file on my iOS device. All of them point to the same stream urls with an expiring auth code as the only thing unique to each user. The "live DVR buffer" is something built into the open source Strobe Media Player they use and works with any stream that uses http dynamic streaming. The "waiting for antenna" message when you first tune to a channel is just a fake javascript delay. Anyone with a packet sniffer and knowledge of streaming technology can figure it out, but the real question is will a judge understand all the technical terms if they're brought up in court or will it just go over their head.

And that's not even counting the physics involved. Good luck getting reliable reception of VHF stations with one of those tiny antennas alone, or explaining how they can pick up VHF-lo channels like WACP (4) and WPVI (6) with one of those when they launch in Philly. NYC is one of the few markets where most of the locals come from one general direction, other markets have multiple tower farms and even have channels coming from opposite directions. Are they going to claim that not only these microantennas can receive the entire DTV band with no breakup but they're omnidirectional too? If it were true they would make way more money selling the antennas than the legal bills they now have fighting the stations.

If they do prevail, they'll likely have to be treated as a CATV service and abide by their rules like must carry and retransmission consent. And since they now expanded beyond OTA to include Bloomberg TV with plans to add other channels, they might have to follow EAS rules too.

They use browser based location services for PCs and GPS for mobile devices, both of which are easy to spoof, the IP address doesn't matter. I just did the free trial, so they might also take the billing address into consideration for subscribers.

Fox's and other broadcaster's problem is that (a) not even the network and stations have streaming and on demand rights to all their programming (i.e. Verizon has exclusive mobile rights to the NFL nationally, MLB is very restrictive with their rights, not even the stations are allowed to stream the footage online during newscasts and until their recent renewal even ESPN had to blur the screen anytime MLB highlights appeared on Watch ESPN) and (B) they're using the "each user has their own antenna" excuse to get around the retransmission consent, when it's clearly false.

There is another streaming startup called Syncback. However in that case they are working with the broadcasters directly, getting permission before launching any channels, and blackout anything the broadcaster doesn't have streaming rights too. So it's limited to local news and select syndicated programming.

Edited by KyL416, 09 April 2013 - 05:50 PM.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 01:55 AM

Anything that massively disrupts the industry is good for us

The VCR was going to bankrupt the entertainment industry
The DVR was going to force massive cuts at entertainment corporations

Now, Aereo is lighting a fire under these companies butts and I love it

How hilarious is it to have these guys talk about fairness?

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 08:14 AM

If the stream is 100% of the 'air' feed, what's the problem? I thought advertisers like people watching their commercials? I thought TV stations liked people watching their programming. More eyes...higher ratings...more revenue. If these Networks/TV stations don't get on board, they'll be left behind. Consumption of media is changing.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 10:19 AM

If the stream is 100% of the 'air' feed, what's the problem? I thought advertisers like people watching their commercials? I thought TV stations liked people watching their programming. More eyes...higher ratings...more revenue. If these Networks/TV stations don't get on board, they'll be left behind. Consumption of media is changing.

OTA does not reach everyone. I think someone posted a good point earlier when stating if Philly gets the NY stations OTA then we know something is up.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 10:54 AM

Word is CBS may be the other network making threats.
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 05:53 PM

Dwight Silverman from the Houston Chronicle has gotten a response from the NFL that they support Fox in opposition.


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:13 AM

You present a worst case scenario. OTA could certainly go away I suppose, but then there is no 'requirement' that 'local' channels be offered at all unless they change the rules.

Most of the broadcast networks could just move their programming to existing 'cable' type channels they own. Of course they wouldn't do it that way, they'd just add new 'cable' type channels and try to peddle them.

Could make for some interesting negotiations.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 03:47 PM

If Aero clears the legal hurdles, cable & satellite providers could incorporate this technology in their receivers and not have to pay retrans fees.  However, most likely, the TV stations will probably lobby congress to get the laws changed to close this loophole.


If this loophole is closed, I wonder if that will restrict E*'s ability to use Sling technology to retransmit OTA TV stations (which currently works using at least the 722k).

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