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21-24 Mbps not enough bandwidth to stream On Demand!?!


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#21 OFFLINE   cypherx

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 11:27 AM

Only good thing about bit torrent is when played through XBMC and HDMI, I can get DTS sound if I download the right rip.

DirecTV does have Dolby Digital but not DTS.

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 11:56 AM

...and illegal.

lol it cracks me up when people admit to doing illegal things on public forums.


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Posted 16 April 2013 - 02:18 PM

I only can get 6.0 DSL from AT&T and it is a very consistent 5.7 mps. Netflix says the minimum for HD is 5.0 and it works quite well. I have only watched three or four on Demands, from D*, and each one streamed very well with no buffering at all.
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Posted 16 April 2013 - 02:29 PM

Can the individual ISP's have an impact on the VOD content delivery?


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Posted 16 April 2013 - 04:06 PM

Everyone needs to be very careful about how they represent their Internet speed.

 

1.  Your burst ("boost") speed is going to read much better than your sustained speed; perhaps 50% better.

 

2.  Make absolutely certain that your units of measure are correctly represented.  Mbps (megabits per second) is not the same as MBps (megabytes per second).

 

Most of the satellite downlinked HD content runs at around 5-16Mbps but it is rarely sustained at the highest rates.

 

The most important aspect of your experience is going to be related to the consistency of your Internet connection, not the maximum speed.  Having to adjust the bitrate on the server frequently is going to result in a poor experience.

These are very good points, but in my case the 35 Mb/s (not MB/s) is not any kind of burst speed. I have no idea about the consistency or latency of my connection to the server, but I know the experience is so bad that I don't even use DirecTV On Demand.

 

I stream the highest bitrates offered from Netflix and several podcast networks and never have this issue.



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Posted 16 April 2013 - 05:07 PM

Can the individual ISP's have an impact on the VOD content delivery?

Absolutely!

 

Such is not to say that any problems aren't DIRECTV's fault, but the way an ISP chooses to balance their load can certainly have an impact.

 

If your true average bandwidth (after the first 30 second or so) drops significantly, you're a victim of "boost".  Unfortunately, this is very difficult to measure as most of the bandwidth tests last 20 seconds or less.

 

Contrary to what the telcos used to crow about, everyone is running on shared bandwidth and if you're served by a node that is heavily loaded, you'll get degradation in speeds when you and your neighbors are collectively most active.

 

I ran a speed test last night to a machine that was located less than 40 miles away and the throughput was in the 4.3Mbps range on an advertised 15Mbps DSL connection.  Clearly the ISP is overloading if you can't get 1/3rd your rated bandwidth.


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Posted 16 April 2013 - 06:32 PM

Not sure, I'm not home.  I'll check it tonight.  Note, I did not do "watch now" I did the download (I assume there is a difference).  

The only difference that I can see is "watch now" runs a check of the download time/speed before it starts playing. If/when it fails, it give you the option to record.

If it doesn't fail, it's still recording.


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Posted 16 April 2013 - 07:58 PM

Since I have DVRs , I prefer to record On Demand titles and then watch later.

Nothing is worth having to watch NOW!

That's what a DVR is for.


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Posted 16 April 2013 - 09:47 PM

Absolutely!

 

Such is not to say that any problems aren't DIRECTV's fault, but the way an ISP chooses to balance their load can certainly have an impact.

 

If your true average bandwidth (after the first 30 second or so) drops significantly, you're a victim of "boost".  Unfortunately, this is very difficult to measure as most of the bandwidth tests last 20 seconds or less.

 

Contrary to what the telcos used to crow about, everyone is running on shared bandwidth and if you're served by a node that is heavily loaded, you'll get degradation in speeds when you and your neighbors are collectively most active.

 

I ran a speed test last night to a machine that was located less than 40 miles away and the throughput was in the 4.3Mbps range on an advertised 15Mbps DSL connection.  Clearly the ISP is overloading if you can't get 1/3rd your rated bandwidth.

 

 

Not necessarily your ISP's fault. Try doing the test to a few more distant servers located in say Seattle and California. You might find that it is just the pipe between your ISP and the server you're testing against that is the problem. Not saying that DSL can't be oversubscribed as well - if an ISP has less bandwidth to the outside world than there is demand for that bandwidth, everyone will slow down even if they aren't shared on a neighborhood basis like cable is. That is much easier to fix that an oversubscribed cable node, but it still costs real money to do and a provider trying to cut costs may not want to make the investment necessary if the beancounters don't think they'll get a return on it in the form of greater customer retention (i.e., if your local cable company sucks, your local telco has less incentive to not suck)


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 12:27 AM

Time Warner Roadrunner with 30/5 and have yet to run into an issue that I can recall with anything on demand.

 

Youtube likes to crap out on me from time to time, but for the most part my connection is rock solid across all the various devices I utilize at home and content streaming from various providers.



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Posted 17 April 2013 - 04:01 AM

One way to confirm the performance of your internet connection is to go to a site like http://speedtest.net/

The site tests your ping times, upload and download speeds and helps you cut through the "turbo," "ultra", etc marketing hype of your ISP to find out what you're really getting.


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 06:16 AM

Justify stealing however you wish, it's still stealing and illegal. The USB plugs aren't for illegal copies, they're for extra storage and playing copies you made of your library...not illegal torrents.  Do you work for free?

Actually, yes, for many years I've done work and never gotten paid for it. Care to sue my clients for me? I'm owed at least $19,000.00



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Posted 17 April 2013 - 06:19 AM

Wow....glad you can justify it. 

I'll justify it even more if the authorities decide to show up by simply showing them that I legally own just about everything I've ever downloaded. When the music/movie companies offer free replacements for their defective CD/DVD's then I'll stop but I'm not going to buy the same product I've owned for years again. Go ahead if you want to.

 

btw, I've got a ton of DVD's that I paid $20 for that I watched only once because the movies sucked so bad. You want them? $10 bucks each.


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 06:20 AM

The only difference that I can see is "watch now" runs a check of the download time/speed before it starts playing. If/when it fails, it give you the option to record.

If it doesn't fail, it's still recording.

Do you know if they are they still offering a choice of a lower quality, faster download for some PPVs.  I thought maybe the "watch now" would be a streaming version of that.

 

I didn't get a chance to re-download the movie last night.  I will try tomorrow night.


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 09:07 AM

Do you know if they are they still offering a choice of a lower quality, faster download for some PPVs.  I thought maybe the "watch now" would be a streaming version of that.

 

I didn't get a chance to re-download the movie last night.  I will try tomorrow night.

I haven't seen that choice here for a long time. :shrug:


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 10:08 AM

Not necessarily your ISP's fault. Try doing the test to a few more distant servers located in say Seattle and California. You might find that it is just the pipe between your ISP and the server you're testing against that is the problem. Not saying that DSL can't be oversubscribed as well - if an ISP has less bandwidth to the outside world than there is demand for that bandwidth, everyone will slow down even if they aren't shared on a neighborhood basis like cable is. That is much easier to fix that an oversubscribed cable node, but it still costs real money to do and a provider trying to cut costs may not want to make the investment necessary if the beancounters don't think they'll get a return on it in the form of greater customer retention (i.e., if your local cable company sucks, your local telco has less incentive to not suck)

You make some good points, but I tend to put it on the ISP more. Sure when an ATM goes down it isn't the ISP's fault and everything slows down. For an ISP to have bandwidth problems "outside" seems rare, as the bandwidth is so large that it would take so many users to all be trying to max their usages.

It does come down to how well the ISP manages their network.

Cable seems to be more prone to overloading a node, as this is the least bandwidth making it easier.

I saw this yesterday with Compcrap, where one min it tested 0.8 Mb/s, and then 5.2 Mb/s, and then 3.2 Mb/s, and finally 2.4 Mb/s.

This node is way overloaded.

One way to confirm the performance of your internet connection is to go to a site like http://speedtest.net/

The site tests your ping times, upload and download speeds and helps you cut through the "turbo," "ultra", etc marketing hype of your ISP to find out what you're really getting.

I wouldn't be so quick to say "confirm" the performance. ISPs can do some underhanded things.

I had speed problems with an old cable ISP.

The node was so over subscribed, that I could see when my neighbors went to church and came home. [no joke]

I worked with them for a long time trying to sort this out.

The first thing they did after showing the tech the speedtest results was to configure their end so speedtest ALWAYS reported full speed, yet the only time I had it was at 2 AM and 2PM could be hard just to get email.

I'm not says all ISPs are this underhanded, but that speedtest doesn't always give you the "whole story". Timing a download and comparing the size of large files will be a better "test".

The last weekend I was on this ISP, it was taking 18+ hours for SD On Demand, and DSL had just come into the area so I had it too and the same On Demand was less than an hour.

Several years later, the cable ISP finally ran another fiber to split the node.


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 10:10 AM

I have 100 down and am having issues with VoD.



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Posted 17 April 2013 - 10:17 AM

I haven't seen that choice here for a long time. :shrug:

I don't know if it still exists.  Even when it did, it was hit or miss, but I don't use their PPV enough to know if it is still around.


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 10:20 AM

I have 100 down and am having issues with VoD.

Not sure what to say, since I don't with:

 

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 08:28 PM

I have 100 down and am having issues with VoD.

 

 

Thats pretty bad.  Hard to tell exactly what could be the problem with 100 down and having problems.

 

99% of the time, this is what I see, and my streaming services across the various devices here at home reflect as much:

 

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