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21-24 Mbps not enough bandwidth to stream On Demand!?!


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#81 OFFLINE   Volatility

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 12:20 AM

It looks like for those whom have Mediacom in the southeast, they did some updates last night during their "8pm-6:30am update" Internet was out for a while but the internet speed seems faster so hurrah.

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not to shabby for 35.99 a month :D

 

 

 

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Now that is ALOT of dwnld mb/s! That is more dwnld mb/s than the call center I work out of lol

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 05:30 AM

The other two companies you mentioned didn't offer anywhere near that speed and for much more than the $58 I'm paying TWC for 15 Mbps (which almost always times out at 25-30 Mbps). 

 

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 05:37 AM

After your post, I plugged a HR34 into a 10Mbps cable modem backup isp connection (that does NOT exceed 10Mbps) and watched a Showtime HD OnDemand program (channel 1545) with no issues whatsoever. As thus, to answer your original question, 21-24 Mbps is plenty of bandwidth for OnDemand viewing.

 

Obviously, if you or a family member is running a bunch of torrents (or perhaps your neighborhood is bandwidth starved), those could be killing your speed. But regardless, that is not a problem on D*'s end.

I don't know. Is one torrent every few months considered a lot?



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Posted 06 May 2013 - 09:46 PM

I'm currently working with 50ish down, and 7ish up.  My connection is stable, and I'm the only Internet user in the house.

 

Here's what I've found -

 

Only certain channels will have the issue. For example I couldn't do any "Watch Now" on TMC (I tried about 10 different titles)  I tried about 20 different titles on various other channels (HBO, Cinemax, Starz) and those all worked.  

 

My "uneducated guess" is that certain channels/servers are allocated x amount of bandwidth, once that limit is reached bandwidth is throttled. 



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Posted 06 May 2013 - 10:15 PM

I'm currently working with 50ish down, and 7ish up.  My connection is stable, and I'm the only Internet user in the house.

 

Here's what I've found -

 

Only certain channels will have the issue. For example I couldn't do any "Watch Now" on TMC (I tried about 10 different titles)  I tried about 20 different titles on various other channels (HBO, Cinemax, Starz) and those all worked.  

 

My "uneducated guess" is that certain channels/servers are allocated x amount of bandwidth, once that limit is reached bandwidth is throttled. 

It would make sense that they would prioritize the premium networks and throttle the other.  That's what I would want when paying for the premiums, to make sure they work as expected.


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 10:53 PM

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I have the same problem at this speed.  It is not your speed but the lack of speed by Directv.  They are serving millions and it shows badly.  They need a boost in the amount of servers they use and the speed of their connection.

I wonder what your actual connection speed is and what it is to the servers in CA.  Comcast is going to show you a great score on speedtest.  I believe all/most of the servers for D* OnDemand are in CA.


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 11:14 PM

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This is an average speed to servers all over the country.  This problem is with DTV and their lack of bandwidth, speed, capacity etc... to the millions trying to download on demand.



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Posted 06 May 2013 - 11:22 PM

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I did this test to a San Jose server that is not Comcast hosted from my location here just North of Atlanta. DTV has a problem that is great to have as a Business, To many Customers! !rolling



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Posted 07 May 2013 - 01:36 AM

Something I've found about "watch now" verses downloading the movie.

On one, the watch now was 720p, while the same movie was 1080i downloaded.

 

As many times as I try, I never find a show downloading any slower than ~ 7Mb/s.

Recently I did have some problems downloading and along the way was able to check the different resolutions mentioned above.

The problems for watching now and downloading at very slow rates, all turned out to be on my end and with the connection to my router.

 

"I almost wish" I could find that there was a problem on the DirecTV side, but I just haven't seen it in maybe the past 5 years or so.


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 01:42 AM

Speedtest is flawed for some people with cable ISPs because a lot of them have a system (called various marketing terms like turbo mode or power boost) that prioritizes new connections over older ones. After the initial burst the speed drops, sometimes by a huge amount. Great for downloading web pages, not so great for streaming or downloading a large file. Comcast tends to use this a lot. The speedtest.net (and most other online connection tests) are so brief they get fooled.

 

I'll bet if you download a big file you don't get that same 115Mb/sec. You should be able to download a large file like the below in about three and a half minutes if your connection is really that fast, unless there is some problem on the internet between you and the server. Most likely you'll see the download start out with your browser reporting 14MB/sec and then you'll see that speed drop a lot.

 

These servers host the content for Microsoft's online store so they can handle pretty much anything you throw at them (if you're curious, this link is for a 3.1GB Windows 7 DVD; you don't pay for the software, you pay for the license key, so you can legally download this)

 

http://msft.digitalr...n/X17-59465.iso

 


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 07:24 AM

Speedtest is flawed for some people with cable ISPs because a lot of them have a system (called various marketing terms like turbo mode or power boost) that prioritizes new connections over older ones. After the initial burst the speed drops, sometimes by a huge amount. Great for downloading web pages, not so great for streaming or downloading a large file. Comcast tends to use this a lot. The speedtest.net (and most other online connection tests) are so brief they get fooled.

 

I'll bet if you download a big file you don't get that same 115Mb/sec. You should be able to download a large file like the below in about three and a half minutes if your connection is really that fast, unless there is some problem on the internet between you and the server. Most likely you'll see the download start out with your browser reporting 14MB/sec and then you'll see that speed drop a lot.

 

These servers host the content for Microsoft's online store so they can handle pretty much anything you throw at them (if you're curious, this link is for a 3.1GB Windows 7 DVD; you don't pay for the software, you pay for the license key, so you can legally download this)

 

http://msft.digitalr...n/X17-59465.iso

Nope those servers have a cap also. 


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 11:52 AM

My "uneducated guess" is that certain channels/servers are allocated x amount of bandwidth, once that limit is reached bandwidth is throttled.


But the old server -> client model does not scale well in this case. They need to invest in a CDN that specializes in media streaming. A real content delivery network distributes and caches content at the network edge, and also distributes it efficiently. A CDN has the resources, thousands of Internet pop's and backbone connections and QoS that would far surpass what a single company could accomplish on their own.

The distributed and cached CDN would alleviate the distribution issue vs spending gobs of money on additional servers and bandwidth at DirecTV's data center.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 03:13 PM

Nope those servers have a cap also. 

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 03:41 PM

Speedtest is flawed for some people with cable ISPs because a lot of them have a system (called various marketing terms like turbo mode or power boost) that prioritizes new connections over older ones. After the initial burst the speed drops, sometimes by a huge amount. Great for downloading web pages, not so great for streaming or downloading a large file. Comcast tends to use this a lot. The speedtest.net (and most other online connection tests) are so brief they get fooled.

 

I'll bet if you download a big file you don't get that same 115Mb/sec. You should be able to download a large file like the below in about three and a half minutes if your connection is really that fast, unless there is some problem on the internet between you and the server. Most likely you'll see the download start out with your browser reporting 14MB/sec and then you'll see that speed drop a lot.

 

These servers host the content for Microsoft's online store so they can handle pretty much anything you throw at them (if you're curious, this link is for a 3.1GB Windows 7 DVD; you don't pay for the software, you pay for the license key, so you can legally download this)

 

http://msft.digitalr...n/X17-59465.iso

I gave the test file you offered a try this afternoon for the fun of it and timed the download to 4 minutes and 2 seconds including the file scan by Norton. Congestion, and many other factors effect  download speeds. I have found using the latest Mozilla Waterfox 64 bit browser is some faster. I did use  Windows 8 64 bit and the Internet explorer 32 bit browser for the timed download. I have the Comcast 105mb down/20mb up service that I am very happy with.

My orginal point to the orginal poster was that his problem with DTV on demand downloads was widespread and happened to all levels of Internet speed service.  It is clearly a capacity problem with the DTV servers.  I have found that when starting a "watch now" on say HBO on demand(The Sopranos) will feed just about fast enough to watch it if you delay it just a few seconds,and I think that is the target speed by DTV that they are throttling too.



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Posted 07 May 2013 - 03:59 PM

My orginal point to the orginal poster was that his problem with DTV on demand downloads was widespread and happened to all levels of Internet speed service.  It is clearly a capacity problem with the DTV servers.  I have found that when starting a "watch now" on say HBO on demand(The Sopranos) will feed just about fast enough to watch it if you delay it just a few seconds,and I think that is the target speed by DTV that they are throttling too.

There really isn't anything "clearly" about this.

I haven't had one problem that wasn't found/corrected on my end.

The target speed is "just about fast enough" to watch it in real time.

If one is expecting more, then "clearly" it won't happen that often. I have seen faster than 1:1, but it wasn't that it came faster, but that the bit-rate was lower of the program.


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 04:04 PM

Directvs VOD & watch now has nothing to do with "servers". It strictly depends on your Internet connection and how it is connected to the DTV system.
If you are using a wifi deca you could have all sorts of problems, seeing how that is wireless!
If you use a broadband deca you more than likely never experience the "not enough bandwidth" error. Hard wired is always the best connection choice no matter what you are doing.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 04:31 PM

Directvs VOD & watch now has nothing to do with "servers". It strictly depends on your Internet connection and how it is connected to the DTV system.
If you are using a wifi deca you could have all sorts of problems, seeing how that is wireless!
If you use a broadband deca you more than likely never experience the "not enough bandwidth" error. Hard wired is always the best connection choice no matter what you are doing.

Extremely vague...


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 04:31 PM

I had more issues with my old wired router than my current wireless router.


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 04:43 PM

Directvs VOD & watch now has nothing to do with "servers". It strictly depends on your Internet connection and how it is connected to the DTV system.
If you are using a wifi deca you could have all sorts of problems, seeing how that is wireless!
If you use a broadband deca you more than likely never experience the "not enough bandwidth" error. Hard wired is always the best connection choice no matter what you are doing.

While wireless can be a weak point if it isn't setup well, given the download speed from DirecTV, it's pretty hard to say that the WCCK is the limiting factor.


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 04:53 PM

But the old server -> client model does not scale well in this case. They need to invest in a CDN that specializes in media streaming. A real content delivery network distributes and caches content at the network edge, and also distributes it efficiently. A CDN has the resources, thousands of Internet pop's and backbone connections and QoS that would far surpass what a single company could accomplish on their own.

The distributed and cached CDN would alleviate the distribution issue vs spending gobs of money on additional servers and bandwidth at DirecTV's data center.

 

I agree with this 100%.  Unfortunately this will require some bit of infrastructure change to their on-demand, I don't foresee DIRECTV making this type of investment any time soon.  When they start pushing live streaming more, we'll probably see this change.






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