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#26 OFFLINE   dpeters11

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 06:22 PM

Who cares if we , customers, will pay :(


True, but I think I'd rather find out all the increases at once, not one increase then a different increase a few months later. But over on the DirecTV side, someone was saying that they were going to have another increase as well. Will have to see if its true.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 06:27 PM

How soon people forget! Standard dvr fee went from $6 to $7. Dish wisely (for them anyway) held up raising the Hopper fees until after the the second version came out and convinced some more people to upgrade. $4 and $7 increases for equipment fees are quite large, even compared to the cabelcos. So much for being the "low priced" satellite provider.


The increase does hit the "holy cow" level ... but whole home for $10 is probably underpriced and DirecTV's fee increase earlier this year paved the way for DISH to follow suit.

I was surprised that the 2nd Hopper was only $7 per month ... but it fit into DISH's "7 per outlet" calculation and a Hopper is only one more outlet. If a 2nd Hopper remained $7 and a 2nd Hopper with Sling became $14 it would become more understandable as Sling provides a second outlet.

The Hopper provides more utility than a Joey so I suppose it should have a higher price per month ... but it will be an unwelcome surprise - a gotcha - for the people who got a second Hopper and were happy paying a Joey monthly price.
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 06:40 PM

Not surprising at all, with the AMC/Rainbow lawsuit and the possible Sprint acquisition, guess who gets to pay for that, Even though they have the money for Sprint it will come out of our pockets, That's what happens when major companies when they create new technology and contracts you have to endure to pay regardless

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 06:48 PM

The increase does hit the "holy cow" level ... but whole home for $10 is probably underpriced and DirecTV's fee increase earlier this year paved the way for DISH to follow suit.

 

As a consumer I wouldn't say that the $10 fee was low, I would say that the other guys are too high! But the equipment fees for all pay-tv providers are really getting out of hand. Tivo's new WHDVR set-up is starting to look attractive. It's too bad that ATT, DirecTV and Dish are exempt from the cable card rules. 


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:55 PM

Is Rabbit TV a scam or for real? Is there any other internet TV besides Roku that is worth looking into?

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:13 PM

All rabbit tv gives you is links. I wouldn't bother. The channels and conglomerates do what they can for Internet TV to not be worth much without a subscription until its old enough to be on Amazon or Netflix. You might want to check out iptvconnection.com

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 10:02 PM

DAMN!!

 

I get 2 hoppers and 3 Joeys tomorrow, and the Mrs. has actually asked for it, so I can't back out.

 

UGH!! 2 year committment with $11 per month more than I had planned  - really stinks.


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 10:12 PM

hmmmmm, let me think a moment,

 

now where did I store that vcr..... :smoking:

 

seriously? that big of an increase to skip commercials?

 

Better off with a older receiver........


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 04:01 AM

Well, this will mean a service call for me.  I have a 2h/3j system and DOUBLING the cost of the 2nd Hopper - another $84/year is NOT worth it.  No avoiding the $4 increase in the DVR fee but it'll be a net savings for me.



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Posted 19 April 2013 - 04:49 AM

I've never understood the DVR fee to begin with.  When Tivo came out, they had a monthly fee so it could download guide data (a subscription service that involved nightly call-ins.)  ReplayTV built that guide data fee into their price, and that was that.  But with satellite, even the least advanced receiver downloads guide data as part of their satellite service, so there's no extra costs to the provider for the DVR.  Sure, there's a software/firmware component that has to be taken into account, but the fees seem far too high for that.  Hard drives fail, I get that, and that adds to support costs, but that's why you pay for the protection plan or a service call when things go wrong.

 

You shouldn't have to pay a monthly fee to record a program.  Period.  And a price hike simply makes the alternatives look better.



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Posted 19 April 2013 - 06:03 AM

Is Rabbit TV a scam or for real? Is there any other internet TV besides Roku that is worth looking into?

 

Don't waste your money.  Its just links to any webiste which has video on it.

 

For free you can go to wwitv dot com and see a updated list of all video sites for free.



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Posted 19 April 2013 - 06:50 AM

Guess I'll be keeping my two 622's as long as possible.  Just had a $17 increase in my Dish bill in February that has me wondering if I should go back to Comcast after all these years.  Meanwhile Comcast boosted my internet service fee because I don't have the TV package.  As I understand it, I would get a $14 drop in the internet fee if I add Comcast TV.  I had no intention of doing that but Dish suddenly seems to be getting very greedy.  Now all options are on the table.


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 07:09 AM

Hmm.

 

If D* holds the line for a while, I can make some $$ switching folks back from E* as soon as their commitment is up. 

 

I used to discourage folks from switching providers, but if that is the business plan now, I guess I have to go along.

 

 

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 08:09 AM

There is no price protection, Dish has virtually never had price protection. People always confuse the discount they are promised on package prices with price protection. And Dish has never had any kind of protection against fees going up.


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 08:47 AM

I get weekly mail from ATT trying to get me to move to the dark side of the Uverse. Maybe it's time.

DISH also needs to cancel their commercials where they blast D* for raising rates multiple times a year.

If you look at the economy stats, sure, the overall economy seems to be better. However, personal income and spendable income is down compared to 3 years ago. All the money is being made by companies. Charlie Ergen's company has how much cash and he wants us to add to it? QED
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 10:32 AM

I'm in the first year and they've done a price protection discount for that period.  I wonder if that will increase to offset the increase in fees during the first year?
 
Assuming they don't, the more I think about the gross increase in fees, the less pleased I am.  Yeah, I can drop things to keep the bill down, but then I'll be missing the things I want to watch.  To each his own I suppose, but these increases have made me even less 'loyal' to these companies.  And while I've been mostly 'all about me', I'll be even more so now.
 
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 10:38 AM

There goes the Bloockbuster channels. :) 


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 11:41 AM

I've never understood the DVR fee to begin with.  When Tivo came out, they had a monthly fee so it could download guide data (a subscription service that involved nightly call-ins.)  ReplayTV built that guide data fee into their price, and that was that.  But with satellite, even the least advanced receiver downloads guide data as part of their satellite service, so there's no extra costs to the provider for the DVR.  Sure, there's a software/firmware component that has to be taken into account, but the fees seem far too high for that.  Hard drives fail, I get that, and that adds to support costs, but that's why you pay for the protection plan or a service call when things go wrong.

 

You shouldn't have to pay a monthly fee to record a program.  Period.  And a price hike simply makes the alternatives look better.

 

^ This (let them disable the extra features on the dvr without a fee but having it just to record a program is ridiculous. My first dvr was a ReplayTV with no fees whatsover.)....and the channels constantly showing the same things over and over and over. Plus popups over shows, more commercials, little variety. Both providers and television stations need to WAKE UP...BECAUSE INTERNET + ROKU + NETFLIX/Amazon Instant Video gets more appealing every day.


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 11:50 AM

There goes the Blockbuster channels!!

 

Rub it in, why doncha???  :)

 

Yeah, most likely I will drop the since the only channels I care about in it are the Epix channels, and I care even less about a dvd in the mail.  So I'll save $3/month and drop the BB@Home to just the EPIX package.

 

I can't drop from the T250 because of a couple channels that I really like there.  So any other savings will have to be from 'dickering for dollars' from the Dish pig!  :)


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 12:45 PM

 

Effective May 22 (according to DIRT member):

 

DVR Fee - From $10 to $14

Hopper Fee - From $7 to $14

 

 

 

 

Wow... so glad I was slacking on moving from my 622 to the Hopper/joey.  I was already non-plussed about the fee increase I'd have had to deal with before this.  To think, I was about to ask Ray for a quote...   hah!

 

 

Any dirt members watching... tell Charlie, no thank you... I don't need to be funding your Sprint purchase.  Keep this up and you might just drive me to Verizon... they already give me internet and have been begging for my TV business.  So far I've said no because Dish has always treated me well, but since that seems to be sliding maybe it's time I saved some money instead.


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 12:55 PM

Coming on the heels of a price hike in February, I find this to be a dangerous move.  Dish is going to have to work hard to justify the increased charges, which I suspect have a lot to do with the legal fees involved in defending the Hopper.

 

I'm investigating my alternatives.


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 01:54 PM

My gut says this is less about needing/wanting more money than it is about trying to control two-Hopper households.

 

A lot of people were wanting 2 Hoppers instead of a Hopper + Joey... and if it cost you the same per month to have either config, why wouldn't you want 2 Hoppers instead of a Hopper + Joey?  It's a no brainer!  Of course you'd rather have the tuners over just a Joey.

 

So... how does a company control demand?  Raise the price on what they want you to take less of...

 

From the consumer end, yeah it is a huge price hike... but look at it from the Dish end...  They make more money off of TWO customers who each have one Hopper than they do ONE customer with two hoppers...  Dish would rather be using those Hoppers for new installs of new customers, than stacking them up with existing customers.

 

That, to me, is the driving force behind this price increase... not a cash grab... but an attempt to nudge their customer base towards making the decision that Dish wants them to make.


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 01:59 PM

My gut says this is less about needing/wanting more money than it is about trying to control two-Hopper households.

A lot of people were wanting 2 Hoppers instead of a Hopper + Joey... and if it cost you the same per month to have either config, why wouldn't you want 2 Hoppers instead of a Hopper + Joey? It's a no brainer! Of course you'd rather have the tuners over just a Joey.

So... how does a company control demand? Raise the price on what they want you to take less of...

So they should jack up the price of Hopper #2 and leave the pricing of Hopper #1 and DVR fee alone. Otherwise they're just begging current customers to leave to get better deals from their competitors.


From the consumer end, yeah it is a huge price hike... but look at it from the Dish end... They make more money off of TWO customers who each have one Hopper than they do ONE customer with two hoppers... Dish would rather be using those Hoppers for new installs of new customers, than stacking them up with existing customers.

That, to me, is the driving force behind this price increase... not a cash grab... but an attempt to nudge their customer base towards making the decision that Dish wants them to make.

To leave Dish behind because their pricing no longer makes sense to their current customers? An odd nudge in my opinion.

Seems more likely that they kept pricing lowish and to entice people to switch over to the new technology and lock in, then hit them with fee increases. They seem to think that what they are offering is good enough that people will shrug it off. I'm not shrugging. I'm certainly not going to be recommending Hopper systems to anyone that asks my opinion. Frankly, it leaves me with a less-than-glowing feeling about Dish as a company and I can't say I'd recommend Dish even with the older recievers at this pt.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 02:14 PM

That, to me, is the driving force behind this price increase... not a cash grab... but an attempt to nudge their customer base towards making the decision that Dish wants them to make.

 

Oh, I understand the 2 Hopper dilemma they created for themselves.  What isn't clear to me is why my single-1st-gen Hopper install is going up $4.  How does this nudge me in any direction other than to look around at what else is out there?


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 02:31 PM

 

Effective May 22 (according to DIRT member):

 

DVR Fee - From $10 to $14

Hopper Fee - From $7 to $14

 

If you have two hoppers and two joeys, your cost will be:

 

DVR Fee (includes first Hopper) - $14

2nd Hopper Fee - $14

Joey - $7

Joey - $7

 

:(

 

 

I have 2 Hoppers.. For $28.00 a month, I'll go out and buy a TIVO and get a cable card for $8.00 a month. Will pay for itself in less than 2 years. 

 

I do enjoy my Dish, but the price increases are getting worst than cable.

 

This will push me to cable or Direct. 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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