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#51 OFFLINE   acostapimps

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 05:13 PM

My gut says this is less about needing/wanting more money than it is about trying to control two-Hopper households.
 
A lot of people were wanting 2 Hoppers instead of a Hopper + Joey... and if it cost you the same per month to have either config, why wouldn't you want 2 Hoppers instead of a Hopper + Joey?  It's a no brainer!  Of course you'd rather have the tuners over just a Joey.
 
So... how does a company control demand?  Raise the price on what they want you to take less of...
 
From the consumer end, yeah it is a huge price hike... but look at it from the Dish end...  They make more money off of TWO customers who each have one Hopper than they do ONE customer with two hoppers...  Dish would rather be using those Hoppers for new installs of new customers, than stacking them up with existing customers.
 
That, to me, is the driving force behind this price increase... not a cash grab... but an attempt to nudge their customer base towards making the decision that Dish wants them to make.

If I want 2 Hoppers then I shouldn't be penalized so to speak for more fees, That's like if directv ever allow 2 genies for the same monthly fee as the genie minis but since no one wants minis, they'll get 2 genies and suddenly the fee increases, Why should a company dictate what to get if that is not what I want, This is one of many reasons the two CEOs want a merger.

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#52 OFFLINE   Stewart Vernon

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 06:58 PM

I didn't say I liked or applaud price raises :)

 

Just saying I think this one is more complicated.  I think Dish underestimated how many people would want a 2-Hopper install for the extra tuners and realized they were not charging "enough" for that to discourage casual customers from doing that install instead of a Hopper + Joey install.

 

As for the single-Hopper price going up $4... that probably is tied more to the introduction of the Hopper w/ Sling and a desire to grab a little more cash... so I guess part cash-grab part psychology in play here.


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 07:20 PM

Seen a bill today for mid April - mid May period, same $10 for H and $7 for J. :blowout:



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Posted 19 April 2013 - 07:32 PM

Seen a bill today for mid April - mid May period, same $10 for H and $7 for J. :blowout:


Which will change effective on May 22, I really hope they don't follow through because then Directv will follow suit. But wishful thinking.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 03:20 AM

Which will change effective on May 22, I really hope they don't follow through because then Directv will follow suit. But wishful thinking.

 

DirecTV will follow suit how? Their fee for a multi-room DVR is already $25.  And AFAIK, you can only have 1, though it does have 5 discreet tuners, and a 2-tuner OTA add-on available.

 

I've done my price comparisons, and I'm going to have to eat the cost.  While I could save $28/month by switching to the local phone company, I'd be giving up a few channels that I really enjoy.  Ditto for downgrading from AT250.  But for me, it's only a $4 change.  And I've been with the beast that is DirecTV hardware, and I can't stomach going back, not to mention the fact that even a 2-tuner DVR is going to end up costing me more than Dish.

 

When the day comes where I can stream NASCAR and ATP/WTA tennis, unplugging completely looks like a seriously good option.  Until then, I'm stuck.


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Posted 20 April 2013 - 08:10 AM

DirecTV will follow suit how? Their fee for a multi-room DVR is already $25.  And AFAIK, you can only have 1, though it does have 5 discreet tuners, and a 2-tuner OTA add-on available...

 

Doesn't that OTA add on just access 2 of the five tuners?



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Posted 20 April 2013 - 08:18 AM

The directv fee includes the DVR and HD fee. But an am21 does not add tuners. Of course the genie works with regular receivers as well.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 08:22 AM

The directv fee includes the DVR and HD fee. But an am21 does not add tuners. Of course the genie works with regular receivers as well.

 

The D* 'advanced receiver fee' is a combo of HD, DVR and MRV.  E*'s fee is a combo of DVR and MRV as HD is free for life with E*.


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Posted 20 April 2013 - 09:05 AM

Here's some things to ponder about these increases.

 

1.  Hopper lease fee is doubling - IOW a 100% increase

 

2.  Hopper/Joey 'DVR' fee is kind of a misnomer.  It is actually DVR=$7, MRV=$3, and since the non-Hopper DVR fee isn't increasing, in reality neither is the Hopper DVR porting.  All of the increase is in the MRV, from $3 to $7 which is a 133% increase.

 

Note that puts the DVR+MRV within a dollar of the same fees for Direct.

 

Also because of the exorbitant percentage increase, I think a class action (or even individual) lawsuit could be winnable because  of a 'material or significant' change in those fees, similar to what was done in the cell arena.  Of course with a class action the consumer gets pretty much nada and only the lawyers make out.  And doing an individual lawsuit would cost more than any probable recovery.


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Posted 20 April 2013 - 11:21 AM

DirecTV will follow suit how? Their fee for a multi-room DVR is already $25.  And AFAIK, you can only have 1, though it does have 5 discreet tuners, and a 2-tuner OTA add-on available.

 

Just to clarify, the D* Advanced Receiver charge is correct at $25/mth, unless you opt-in for email/paperless billing with ABP (auto bill pay). Then, additional $10 off for 24 months.

 

Correct, only 1 Genie/HR34 allowed per account when ordering through D* (currently)..rumor has it that may change, but no further info. This link may help with ordering additional HR34s from external source >> http://www.amazon.co...iews/B006YTAGBO (click MOST HELPFUL FIRST)

 

OTA (AM-21) is available for local feed, but does not add tuners (just maximizes local channels where applicable)..highly recommend to use AM-21 with external, mid-range antenna from http://solidsignal.com or http://amazon.com.

 

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 03:54 PM

And to think I was about to switch to Dish to get 2 Hoppers, as I was appeased by the technology and ipad transfer, but it didn't have some of my favorite channels in the package I was going to get AT200, I was thinking of the higher 250 package but it seemed expensive for my taste after the monthly fees after the 12 months of course. But with more fees I glad I didn't, Im not criticizing Dish as I never had it before, as I do like the Hopper features with Sling Technolgy and Dish Anywhere and Ipad transfer(at least from what I hear) Hey Directv is not perfect by no means either with some older slow DVR's and software bugs and EHD content to only one DVR, But both are getting too expensive as is everything else, And if increases continue I may cancel as stay with Internet only, until I get new/returning customer discounts then I might return again, But for now I'll stay.

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 01:01 AM

I didn't say I liked or applaud price raises :)
 
Just saying I think this one is more complicated.  I think Dish underestimated how many people would want a 2-Hopper install for the extra tuners and realized they were not charging "enough" for that to discourage casual customers from doing that install instead of a Hopper + Joey install.
 
As for the single-Hopper price going up $4... that probably is tied more to the introduction of the Hopper w/ Sling and a desire to grab a little more cash... so I guess part cash-grab part psychology in play here.



That is an under statement for sure because I could never see a 4 room installation being accomplished with a 3 tuner HDDVR. :nono2:

That said the Hopper/ Hopper with Sling is the most powerful HDDVR,with the most features that can give the subscriber access to the most tuners on the market yet,when you consider adding the USB OTA tuner module and using Primetime Anytime. :)


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Posted 21 April 2013 - 04:18 AM

Just to clarify, the D* Advanced Receiver charge is correct at $25/mth, unless you opt-in for email/paperless billing with ABP (auto bill pay). Then, additional $10 off for 24 months.


OTA (AM-21) is available for local feed, but does not add tuners (just maximizes local channels where applicable)..highly recommend to use AM-21 with external, mid-range antenna from http://solidsignal.com or http://amazon.com.

 

Well, I'm not considering promotional pricing.  That doesn't last forever, you know.  So sure, it's $15/month for 24 months, and then it goes up to $25.  Unless you want to play provider roulette with customer retention.

 

How odd that the AM-21 doesn't add tuners.  When I had an HR22 with an AM-21, I could record 4 programs at once, provided 2 were OTA.  I had assumed the same was true with the Genie, but perhaps it's a hardware limitation that keeps it at 5 regardless.



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Posted 21 April 2013 - 06:41 AM

I think you are not remembering correctly.

 

Until the HR34/HR44's came out, the most you could record on any HRxx series DVR was 2 things at once.  Even the HR20 that had 2 SAT + 2 OTA built-in could only do 2 streams at once.


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Posted 21 April 2013 - 02:29 PM

I think you are not remembering correctly.


Could be. I didn't have the AM-21 for very long before I switched to Dish. Much as I hated that DVR, I really did think it could do 4.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 02:45 PM

1 Hopper/DVR $10 goes to $14, so $4 increase for 1H, 2J.  And since my 1st year ends next month my bill goes from $88 to $119 + $4 increase = $123.00, a $40% increase.  Yeah a lot of that was new customer discounts, but sure seems high.  They should offer the all HD packages again (at a lower price).



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Posted 25 April 2013 - 04:11 PM

Nope.  The bill goes up $4, otherwise stays the same before the new customer discounts.  And you agreed to the terms to get those discounts.  

 

Or you could say you got a nearly 40% discount as a new customer for a year. :)


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Posted 26 April 2013 - 01:21 PM

They are not going up as much as originally thought.  See here ---> http://www.satellite...-of-May-23-2013


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Posted 26 April 2013 - 02:10 PM

Our voices have been heard!!!

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 02:16 PM

Yes, they have been.

 

For existing customers that don't change any hardware, the price remains the same in equipment fees.

 

In celebration I'll keep AEP, BB@Home and not change any hardware setup!  :)


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Posted 29 April 2013 - 10:09 AM

A price increase ... not a fee increase.

 

 

A price increase ... not a fee increase.


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Posted 29 April 2013 - 10:13 AM

Do we know which receivers are effected?


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Posted 29 April 2013 - 10:21 AM

Yes, they have been.

 

For existing customers that don't change any hardware, the price remains the same in equipment fees.

 

In celebration I'll keep AEP, BB@Home and not change any hardware setup!   :)

 

 

Yes, they have been.

 

For existing customers that don't change any hardware, the price remains the same in equipment fees.

 

In celebration I'll keep AEP, BB@Home and not change any hardware setup!   :)


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Posted 29 April 2013 - 10:23 AM

Really?


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Posted 29 April 2013 - 06:39 PM

So if I were to sign up before May 23 the DVR fee would stay the same for new customers? Or will it go up regardless of the deadline?

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