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#26 OFFLINE   peds48

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 04:04 PM

You can't use it. Look for external drives with eSATA connector.


Actually you can, you just need to get the correct adapter (the bottom piece) in order to get the eSATA but is no recommended as this hard drive is not actively. Cooled
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Posted 05 May 2013 - 10:22 AM

Actually you can, you just need to get the correct adapter (the bottom piece) in order to get the eSATA but is no recommended as this hard drive is not actively. Cooled

 

I've been looking for an adapter, but cannot find one. Basically a female usb 3.0 to male sata/esata.  OR even a micro b to sata/esata



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Posted 05 May 2013 - 11:07 AM

Actually you can, you just need to get the correct adapter (the bottom piece) in order to get the eSATA but is no recommended as this hard drive is not actively. Cooled

Post here please an example of such adapter (if you know what you're talking about).

 

He need DIFFERENT enclosure (that means with different internal controller eg "adapter"), with eSATA connector (some of the enclosures eg external drives has more then one:USB 2 or 3, FireWire).



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Posted 05 May 2013 - 02:51 PM

Post here please an example of such adapter (if you know what you're talking about).

 

He need DIFFERENT enclosure (that means with different internal controller eg "adapter"), with eSATA connector (some of the enclosures eg external drives has more then one:USB 2 or 3, FireWire).

 

The GoFlex drives (that sliderbob linked to) have adapters that can be swapped out for different ports, which is what peds48 was referring to. I have several GoFlex drives with a combination of FireWire 800 adapters and some with USB3. So he does know what he's talking about and one could exist.

 

That being said, Seagate does not currently make an eSATA adapter for the GoFlex drives. They previously made one for the GoFlex laptop versions but they have never made one for the GoFlex Desk which is linked.


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Posted 05 May 2013 - 03:05 PM

The GoFlex drives (that sliderbob linked to) have adapters that can be swapped out for different ports, which is what peds48 was referring to. I have several GoFlex drives with a combination of FireWire 800 adapters and some with USB3. So he does know what he's talking about and one could exist.

 

That being said, Seagate does not currently make an eSATA adapter for the GoFlex drives. They previously made one for the GoFlex laptop versions but they have never made one for the GoFlex Desk which is linked.

That would be final nail into his coffin ! :D



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Posted 05 May 2013 - 03:06 PM

The GoFlex drives (that sliderbob linked to) have adapters that can be swapped out for different ports, which is what peds48 was referring to. I have several GoFlex drives with a combination of FireWire 800 adapters and some with USB3. So he does know what he's talking about and one could exist.

 

That being said, Seagate does not currently make an eSATA adapter for the GoFlex drives. They previously made one for the GoFlex laptop versions but they have never made one for the GoFlex Desk which is linked.

Lets he speak for himself !



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Posted 05 May 2013 - 03:08 PM

Adding to that: you can't get DIFFERENT adapter(bottom part); you MUST buy new whole GoFlex with proper(so far not-existing) eSATA connector !



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Posted 05 May 2013 - 03:32 PM

Adding to that: you can't get DIFFERENT adapter(bottom part); you MUST buy new whole GoFlex with proper(so far not-existing) eSATA connector !

Well no...if an eSATA adapter existed for the GoFlex it would work with any GoFlex, so you would not need an entirely new GoFlex. A GoFlex setup consists of a typical SATA drive in a plastic housing with the SATA/power ports exposed. The GoFlex adapters are just SATA to Firewire/USB/Thunderbolt connectors with a power port.

 

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 06:15 PM

Yes, I was under the impression that there was an eSATA adapter since I have the same drive for my Mac and I was looking for the Thunderbolt adapter and I though the rep at staples who ordered the adapter for me said there was an eSATA, but upon for further research it appears that there is no eSATA adapter for the GoFlex drives.  Sorry for the confusion….. :blackeye:


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Posted 05 May 2013 - 07:26 PM

Oh well. Thanks for all of the information, guys. I'll prpbably sell my 2tb Seagate and apply the funds to a new 2tb or higher sata/esata drive.



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Posted 05 May 2013 - 11:05 PM



Actually you can, you just need to get the correct adapter (the bottom piece) in order to get the eSATA but is no recommended as this hard drive is not actively. Cooled

It would be same case as someone will tell to an owner of [gasoline] car to buy an adapter to run on diesel ! :D


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 06:57 AM

Actually you can, you just need to get the correct adapter (the bottom piece) in order to get the eSATA but is no recommended as this hard drive is not actively. Cooled

 

I have 2 externals without fans, never had a problem in the years I've been using them.  Enclosures without fans are fine.

 

And using an adapter to go from USB 3.0 to eSATA is not a good idea due to the speed differences.


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 08:32 PM

It would be same case as someone will tell to an owner of [gasoline] car to buy an adapter to run on diesel ! :D

 

 

I have 2 externals without fans, never had a problem in the years I've been using them.  Enclosures without fans are fine.

 

And using an adapter to go from USB 3.0 to eSATA is not a good idea due to the speed differences.

The hard drive inside the GoFLex is just that a plain hard drive.  the enclosure is what houses the type of interface.  and speed is not the issue since you can get a thunderbolt "adapter" which is waaaaaayyyyy faster than eSATA.


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 09:25 PM

The hard drive inside the GoFLex is just that a plain hard drive.  the enclosure is what houses the type of interface.  and speed is not the issue since you can get a thunderbolt "adapter" which is waaaaaayyyyy faster than eSATA.

way what? 10Gbps vs 6Gbps wayyyy faster?
Take another shot, like 15K RPM drive. Before grabbing interface.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 06:26 AM

hmm

 

 

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Esata#eSATA


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 07:57 AM

The hard drive inside the GoFLex is just that a plain hard drive.  the enclosure is what houses the type of interface.  and speed is not the issue since you can get a thunderbolt "adapter" which is waaaaaayyyyy faster than eSATA.

 

Any time you use an adapter to go from one type of connection to another you are losing speed, period.  The speeds you are thinking of are when you use the correct connectors with the correct devices.  Also, if you're going from a faster medium, which you claim, to a slower medium, which you claim, you're creating a bottleneck.  

 

With the DirecTV DVRs you need to use an enclosure that already has eSATA.  Not some rigged up concoction where adapters are used.


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 08:27 AM

With the DirecTV DVRs you need to use an enclosure that already has eSATA. Not some rigged up concoction where adapters are used.

But this is the point you Gus are missing. Is not not a "rigged up" connection. The eSATA (if it existed) would connect DIRECTLY to the drive. Is not much of an "adaptor" but much like an interface. There would be no difference if the drive came enclosed with an eSATA interface.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 10:13 AM

But this is the point you Gus are missing. Is not not a "rigged up" connection. The eSATA (if it existed) would connect DIRECTLY to the drive. Is much of an "adaptor" but much like an interface. There would be no difference if the drive came enclosed with an eSATA interface.

Then let me share my 2 cents:

- you'll not find any ready-to-use enclosures without internal controller what convert SATA interface/cmds of internal drive from/to  USB/eSATA/FIreWire/TB external host;

- these enclosures have no provision to change the controller (without EE knowledge and some work);

- there are some sort of "external" enclosure (one sample is EasySWAP box what I used for 622/922 last years);

- for DTV DVR (or other like OTA DVR CM-7400) it would be a) easy; b)reliable;c) cheaper if there was an enclosure without any controller, just a case with  a fan and short cable inside: HDD's SATA to eSATA connector. Personally, I did lobotomize one of those, Seagate FreeAgent type; it worked much better without internal controller.

 

I wrote about this tidbits a few times here ... but :( ppl not searching and not reading ...


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 05:55 AM

But this is the point you Gus are missing. Is not not a "rigged up" connection. The eSATA (if it existed) would connect DIRECTLY to the drive. Is not much of an "adaptor" but much like an interface. There would be no difference if the drive came enclosed with an eSATA interface.

 

If you're using an adapter because the enclosure doesn't have eSATA output, which you are promoting, then it IS a rigged up connection.


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 07:26 AM

If you're using an adapter because the enclosure doesn't have eSATA output, which you are promoting, then it IS a rigged up connection.

Wow, you just don't get it, right?   :bang

 

"The eSATA (if it existed) would connect DIRECTLY to the drive".  meaning the hard drive will be housed in enclosure with only eSATA.  no adaptor whatsoever.   "Is not much of an "adaptor" but much like an interface"


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 10:22 AM

Wow, you just don't get it, right?   :bang

 

"The eSATA (if it existed) would connect DIRECTLY to the drive".  meaning the hard drive will be housed in enclosure with only eSATA.  no adaptor whatsoever.   "Is not much of an "adaptor" but much like an interface"

 

"if it existed", in this case it doesn't.  Also, above you were talking about using thunderbolt, that would most certainly require an adapter and be a rigged up connection.


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 11:59 AM

"if it existed", in this case it doesn't.  Also, above you were talking about using thunderbolt, that would most certainly require an adapter and be a rigged up connection.

OMG, IT does not.  I said that, it was a mistake, ohhh wait, you choose to deliberately skip that part in an effort to keep the charade…


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 12:41 PM

Maybe this will clear up some confusion.

This is a GoFlex base. All it does is convert SATA to your interface of choice. An eSATA GoFlex base would convert SATA to...eSATA. In other words it wouldn't be an electrical conversion, just a physical one. You can even stick a normal SATA bare drive on a GoFlex base and it works.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 12:47 PM

Maybe this will clear up some confusion.

This is a GoFlex base. All it does is convert SATA to your interface of choice. An eSATA GoFlex base would convert SATA to...eSATA. In other words it wouldn't be an electrical conversion, just a physical one. You can even stick a normal SATA bare drive on a GoFlex base and it works.

I see you didn't get it ... please re-read post#43

 

there is no "base" it's a integral part of GoFlex; you can't 'change it", you must buy NEW GoFlex with desired interface (if it exist)

"conversion" ... oh man ! see post#43



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Posted 08 May 2013 - 01:09 PM

:nono2:

 

I see you didn't get it ... please re-read post#43

 

there is no "base" it's a integral part of GoFlex; you can't 'change it", you must buy NEW GoFlex with desired interface (if it exist)

"conversion" ... oh man ! see post#43

 

OK, actually you can make a GoFlex work with any DirecTV system easily. You convinced me to find a solution.

You would need this: http://www.addonics....aadcpac12v.php AASAPS

Which would get you power to the drive.

And this: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16812120130

Which would convert the drive's SATA interface to an eSATA cable.

 

And here's a picture of the base of a GoFlex drive with if you still don't get it...

 

It's not branded as a Seagate solution but it does the exact same thing if such a solution did exist.

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