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#41 OFFLINE   RunnerFL

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 07:57 AM

The hard drive inside the GoFLex is just that a plain hard drive.  the enclosure is what houses the type of interface.  and speed is not the issue since you can get a thunderbolt "adapter" which is waaaaaayyyyy faster than eSATA.

 

Any time you use an adapter to go from one type of connection to another you are losing speed, period.  The speeds you are thinking of are when you use the correct connectors with the correct devices.  Also, if you're going from a faster medium, which you claim, to a slower medium, which you claim, you're creating a bottleneck.  

 

With the DirecTV DVRs you need to use an enclosure that already has eSATA.  Not some rigged up concoction where adapters are used.


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 08:27 AM

With the DirecTV DVRs you need to use an enclosure that already has eSATA. Not some rigged up concoction where adapters are used.

But this is the point you Gus are missing. Is not not a "rigged up" connection. The eSATA (if it existed) would connect DIRECTLY to the drive. Is not much of an "adaptor" but much like an interface. There would be no difference if the drive came enclosed with an eSATA interface.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 10:13 AM

But this is the point you Gus are missing. Is not not a "rigged up" connection. The eSATA (if it existed) would connect DIRECTLY to the drive. Is much of an "adaptor" but much like an interface. There would be no difference if the drive came enclosed with an eSATA interface.

Then let me share my 2 cents:

- you'll not find any ready-to-use enclosures without internal controller what convert SATA interface/cmds of internal drive from/to  USB/eSATA/FIreWire/TB external host;

- these enclosures have no provision to change the controller (without EE knowledge and some work);

- there are some sort of "external" enclosure (one sample is EasySWAP box what I used for 622/922 last years);

- for DTV DVR (or other like OTA DVR CM-7400) it would be a) easy; b)reliable;c) cheaper if there was an enclosure without any controller, just a case with  a fan and short cable inside: HDD's SATA to eSATA connector. Personally, I did lobotomize one of those, Seagate FreeAgent type; it worked much better without internal controller.

 

I wrote about this tidbits a few times here ... but :( ppl not searching and not reading ...


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 05:55 AM

But this is the point you Gus are missing. Is not not a "rigged up" connection. The eSATA (if it existed) would connect DIRECTLY to the drive. Is not much of an "adaptor" but much like an interface. There would be no difference if the drive came enclosed with an eSATA interface.

 

If you're using an adapter because the enclosure doesn't have eSATA output, which you are promoting, then it IS a rigged up connection.


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 07:26 AM

If you're using an adapter because the enclosure doesn't have eSATA output, which you are promoting, then it IS a rigged up connection.

Wow, you just don't get it, right?   :bang

 

"The eSATA (if it existed) would connect DIRECTLY to the drive".  meaning the hard drive will be housed in enclosure with only eSATA.  no adaptor whatsoever.   "Is not much of an "adaptor" but much like an interface"


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 10:22 AM

Wow, you just don't get it, right?   :bang

 

"The eSATA (if it existed) would connect DIRECTLY to the drive".  meaning the hard drive will be housed in enclosure with only eSATA.  no adaptor whatsoever.   "Is not much of an "adaptor" but much like an interface"

 

"if it existed", in this case it doesn't.  Also, above you were talking about using thunderbolt, that would most certainly require an adapter and be a rigged up connection.


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 11:59 AM

"if it existed", in this case it doesn't.  Also, above you were talking about using thunderbolt, that would most certainly require an adapter and be a rigged up connection.

OMG, IT does not.  I said that, it was a mistake, ohhh wait, you choose to deliberately skip that part in an effort to keep the charade…


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 12:41 PM

Maybe this will clear up some confusion.

This is a GoFlex base. All it does is convert SATA to your interface of choice. An eSATA GoFlex base would convert SATA to...eSATA. In other words it wouldn't be an electrical conversion, just a physical one. You can even stick a normal SATA bare drive on a GoFlex base and it works.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 12:47 PM

Maybe this will clear up some confusion.

This is a GoFlex base. All it does is convert SATA to your interface of choice. An eSATA GoFlex base would convert SATA to...eSATA. In other words it wouldn't be an electrical conversion, just a physical one. You can even stick a normal SATA bare drive on a GoFlex base and it works.

I see you didn't get it ... please re-read post#43

 

there is no "base" it's a integral part of GoFlex; you can't 'change it", you must buy NEW GoFlex with desired interface (if it exist)

"conversion" ... oh man ! see post#43



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Posted 08 May 2013 - 01:09 PM

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I see you didn't get it ... please re-read post#43

 

there is no "base" it's a integral part of GoFlex; you can't 'change it", you must buy NEW GoFlex with desired interface (if it exist)

"conversion" ... oh man ! see post#43

 

OK, actually you can make a GoFlex work with any DirecTV system easily. You convinced me to find a solution.

You would need this: http://www.addonics....aadcpac12v.php AASAPS

Which would get you power to the drive.

And this: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16812120130

Which would convert the drive's SATA interface to an eSATA cable.

 

And here's a picture of the base of a GoFlex drive with if you still don't get it...

 

It's not branded as a Seagate solution but it does the exact same thing if such a solution did exist.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 02:06 PM

OMG, IT does not.  I said that, it was a mistake, ohhh wait, you choose to deliberately skip that part in an effort to keep the charade…

 

The only thing I'm skipping, from now on, are your posts....


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 02:16 PM

I see you didn't get it ... please re-read post#43

 

there is no "base" it's a integral part of GoFlex; you can't 'change it", you must buy NEW GoFlex with desired interface (if it exist)

"conversion" ... oh man ! see post#43

No you NOT…..


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 02:16 PM

The only thing I'm skipping, from now on, are your posts....

Go right ahead…. !rolling


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 02:17 PM

Maybe this will clear up some confusion.

This is a GoFlex base. All it does is convert SATA to your interface of choice. An eSATA GoFlex base would convert SATA to...eSATA. In other words it wouldn't be an electrical conversion, just a physical one. You can even stick a normal SATA bare drive on a GoFlex base and it works.

At least someone is smart enough to understand…. :righton:


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 02:26 PM

:nono2:

 

 

OK, actually you can make a GoFlex work with any DirecTV system easily. You convinced me to find a solution.

You would need this: http://www.addonics....aadcpac12v.php AASAPS

Which would get you power to the drive.

And this: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16812120130

Which would convert the drive's SATA interface to an eSATA cable.

 

And here's a picture of the base of a GoFlex drive with if you still don't get it...

 

It's not branded as a Seagate solution but it does the exact same thing if such a solution did exist.

1st - I have it, the GoFlex USB type, so don't worry

2nd - I have the cables {L-I} and using them often more then you could imagine :D

3rd - I'm using not just "your invented" contraption (it would qualify as Mickey Mouse job)  but many different , include similar ad-hock type but for short tests - no one would recommend such umm "smart" solution for DVR !



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Posted 08 May 2013 - 02:30 PM

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 09:22 AM

I see you didn't get it ... please re-read post#43

 

there is no "base" it's a integral part of GoFlex; you can't 'change it", you must buy NEW GoFlex with desired interface (if it exist)

"conversion" ... oh man ! see post#43

 

Sorry, but you are wrong, you can change it out, and they do sell different ones so you can do so. 

 

Here's one for using it with Firewire:

http://www.amazon.co...ef=pd_sim_pc_13

 

Here's one for Thunderbolt:

http://www.amazon.co...9/dp/B009HQCAPQ

 

And USB 3.0.

http://www.amazon.co...adapter usb 3.0

 

They make an eSata one for the portable 2.5" Goflex Drives

http://www.amazon.co...x esata adapter

 

But not the 3.5" desk version  He wouldn't be the first person looking for a way to hook his GoFlex up with an eSata dock.  I found this thread right on Seagate's own forums where a few people were asking them to make one.

http://forums.seagat...ter/td-p/114150


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Posted 09 May 2013 - 10:19 AM

Well, while you right in general, for particular thread it's still not feasible. :(

Quota of Seagate person from that thread:

I talked to our engineers about this, and there won't be an eSATA module for the GoFlex Desk drive.

The reason behind it is that eSATA is an older and slower interface, compared to USB3.0.



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Posted 09 May 2013 - 07:19 PM

Sorry, but you are wrong, you can change it out, and they do sell different ones so you can do so. 

 

Here's one for using it with Firewire:

http://www.amazon.co...ef=pd_sim_pc_13

 

Here's one for Thunderbolt:

http://www.amazon.co...9/dp/B009HQCAPQ

 

And USB 3.0.

http://www.amazon.co...adapter usb 3.0

 

They make an eSata one for the portable 2.5" Goflex Drives

http://www.amazon.co...x esata adapter

 

But not the 3.5" desk version  He wouldn't be the first person looking for a way to hook his GoFlex up with an eSata dock.  I found this thread right on Seagate's own forums where a few people were asking them to make one.

http://forums.seagat...ter/td-p/114150

Alleluia, Alleluia, Alleluia, Alleluia, Alleluia, Alleluia.  Finally somebody call them out on how it is….

 

Awesome  :righton:


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Posted 09 May 2013 - 07:19 PM

 

Well, while you right in general, for particular thread it's still not feasible. :(

Quota of Seagate person from that thread:

I talked to our engineers about this, and there won't be an eSATA module for the GoFlex Desk drive.

The reason behind it is that eSATA is an older and slower interface, compared to USB3.0.

 

so this makes it wrong??????


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