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#26 OFFLINE   FenixTX

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 08:00 PM

I agree. I'm a huge sports fan. I follow the Texas Rangers and Nebraska Cornhuskers religiously and I believe any channel devoted to any of those teams should be in a sports pack. If I want to see their games I should have to pay for them. No one that doesn't watch should have to pay.
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Posted 07 May 2013 - 06:27 AM

I have mixed feelings of the creation of the network...  The SEC usually has at least 1 usually 2 ESPN game on ESPN 1/2/U.  Then there is a CBS game, then there is 11:00 am SEC Network that is shown OTA on the locals.  I think the network will allow another game or two which will likely be the 4th/5th best game from the SEC.  I'm expecting to see a lot of South Carolina, Tenn, Florida, Kentucky , while ESPN1/2/U and CBS will carry Alabama, Texas A&M, and Georgia most weeks.  I wonder how much my bill will go up, and will it be like a RSN or will it be something in the sports pack.

We will have to see how this plays out, but my expectation is that the new SEC Newtork will take the place of the old SEC Network that was shown OTA on the locals. As it was, every Kentucky football and men's basketball game (including the non-conference games) was broadcast somewhere, so I do not think that will change.  What will change is that those who do not live in SEC territories will get the opportunity to see more SEC games and more of the sports other than football and basketball.


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 06:30 AM

There is also a rumor of an ACC Network coming.


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 06:39 AM

With all these new RSN's coming along you would think these teams would embrace todays technology and allow for their games to be purchased and streamed over the internet, then their fans wouldn't have to worry about whether or not their provider carries the channel.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 06:52 AM

There is also a rumor of an ACC Network coming.

With Louisville, Notre Dame, and Syracuse joining the ACC, I think an ACC network would be viable. Notre Dame and Syracuse, especially, have large national following, and Louisville, Boston College, and Miami have more national appeal than the original ACC schools do.  While ACC football is a joke, they are strong in basketball, baseball, soccer, and lacross.



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Posted 07 May 2013 - 07:45 PM

With Louisville, Notre Dame, and Syracuse joining the ACC, I think an ACC network would be viable. Notre Dame and Syracuse, especially, have large national following, and Louisville, Boston College, and Miami have more national appeal than the original ACC schools do.  While ACC football is a joke, they are strong in basketball, baseball, soccer, and lacross.

NBC renews Notre Dame deal through 2025

http://www.csnchicag...al-through-2025

 

also I think CSN chicago shows ND games from time to time


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 06:21 AM

NBC renews Notre Dame deal through 2025

http://www.csnchicag...al-through-2025

 

also I think CSN chicago shows ND games from time to time

That deal is only for football.  The television rights for all other Notre Dame sports will be held by the ACC.  If an ACC sports network comes along, it will not be based on the strength of ACC football with or without Notre Dame.  It will be basketball, baseball, soccer, lacross, swimming, tennis, golf, and gymnastics that will have to carry the network.



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Posted 08 May 2013 - 06:51 AM

Here is confirmation that the new SEC Network will replace the old SEC Network games that were shown OTA locally in SEC territories.  Also, the Big Blue Sports Network that had carried the Kentucky games that were not shown nationally or on the old SEC Network will be no more.  With the addition of the ESPN SEC Network, all Kentucky games will be broadcast on one of the ESPN channels (including the SEC Network).

 

As far as distribution:


Justin Connolly, who will run the SEC Network, said in Atlanta that in the 11 states that have SEC schools, ESPN will seek the same distribution for the new network that ESPN and ESPN2 now enjoy. In the rest of the nation, Connolly said ESPN hoped to have the SEC Network distributed in the same bundle that ESPNU is.

Read more here: http://www.kentucky....l#storylink=cpy

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That makes it sound like ESPN is trying to negotiate a deal where the SEC Network will be included in the base package for residents in Missouri, Arkansas, Kentucky, Tennessee, Georgia, South Carolina, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Texas, and in the sports pack for everyone else.  I can live with that.  I think DirecTV can, too.



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Posted 08 May 2013 - 09:53 AM

That deal is only for football.  The television rights for all other Notre Dame sports will be held by the ACC.  If an ACC sports network comes along, it will not be based on the strength of ACC football with or without Notre Dame.  It will be basketball, baseball, soccer, lacross, swimming, tennis, golf, and gymnastics that will have to carry the network.


Football may not "carry" the network, but those games will still certainly have value within the ACC footprint.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 12:28 PM

That deal is only for football.  The television rights for all other Notre Dame sports will be held by the ACC.  If an ACC sports network comes along, it will not be based on the strength of ACC football with or without Notre Dame.  It will be basketball, baseball, soccer, lacross, swimming, tennis, golf, and gymnastics that will have to carry the network.

 

Actually, the rights to football games that ND plays at ACC sites (and there are contractually a few every year) will be held by the ACC. The NBC deal is only ND home games.

 

However, I doubt that the ACC Channel would be the home of ANY of the ND games. The ACC would use ND as leverage to get those games on real networks like ABC, ESPN et al.


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 12:29 PM

 

Big reason why I think DirecTV will have the SEC Network. ESPN understands how cable/satellite works. The PAC 12 does not; nor does the owner of the Houston Astros.


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 07:00 PM

The Dish deal included exclusive advertising in PAC 12 arenas and stadia. Not possible to get the same deal as Dish cause of that nasty word "exclusive."

 

So why didn't "the sports leader" get this deal before Dish did?


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 09:44 PM

I believe the initial idea was to have the conference segmented and having a channel per area:
Pac-12 Washington
Pac-12 Oregon
Pac-12 Northern California
Pac-12 Southern California
Pac-12 Arizona
Pac-12 Mountain
D* would only want to offer HD channels and to offer that many different channels in HD wasn't viable for the bandwidth it would require.

That and they didn't have the funds ready to purchase the rights to many games, though they wanted a pretty large sum in the negotiations.  I think Pac12 would have done better if they waited and year and put everything together.  The whole ordeal was pretty rushed.


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 09:47 PM

So why didn't "the sports leader" get this deal before Dish did?


Because they don't do those kind of deals? Why does being the sports leader mean you have to do every deal known to man if it dies not make sense.

At the time Dish made the deal, they were not dealing from strength. They were on the outs with BTN and turned to the PAC 12 as a replacement. Without both, they were in trouble. They eventually worked out BTN but they were not sure of that when they made the PAC 12 deal. They needed the PAC 12 more and probably did not get the best deal.

But, if course, you think directv should just roll over rather than make a deal that makes sense to them.
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 06:28 AM

I believe the initial idea was to have the conference segmented and having a channel per area:
Pac-12 Washington
Pac-12 Oregon
Pac-12 Northern California
Pac-12 Southern California
Pac-12 Arizona
Pac-12 Mountain
D* would only want to offer HD channels and to offer that many different channels in HD wasn't viable for the bandwidth it would require.

That and they didn't have the funds ready to purchase the rights to many games, though they wanted a pretty large sum in the negotiations.  I think Pac12 would have done better if they waited and year and put everything together.  The whole ordeal was pretty rushed.

DISH only has the main + game only alts and I think At120+ in market and sports pack out of it (same as BTN) but on directv BTN is choice for all.

 

pac12 likey wanted basic for all and as for game only (dish has lot's of RSN that are game only HD) will they want at least more then main as full time? with some feeds setup as game only sub feeds?


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Posted 09 May 2013 - 07:40 AM

I have mixed feelings of the creation of the network...  The SEC usually has at least 1 usually 2 ESPN game on ESPN 1/2/U.  Then there is a CBS game, then there is 11:00 am SEC Network that is shown OTA on the locals.  I think the network will allow another game or two which will likely be the 4th/5th best game from the SEC.  I'm expecting to see a lot of South Carolina, Tenn, Florida, Kentucky , while ESPN1/2/U and CBS will carry Alabama, Texas A&M, and Georgia most weeks.  I wonder how much my bill will go up, and will it be like a RSN or will it be something in the sports pack.

 

 

Here is confirmation that the new SEC Network will replace the old SEC Network games that were shown OTA locally in SEC territories.  Also, the Big Blue Sports Network that had carried the Kentucky games that were not shown nationally or on the old SEC Network will be no more.  With the addition of the ESPN SEC Network, all Kentucky games will be broadcast on one of the ESPN channels (including the SEC Network).

 

Here's how the B1G Football TV contract generally works.  Each B1G team will have two games on BTN, one of which will be a conference game.  Pick order for games is ABC, ESPN/2, BTN (with the rare ESPNU option).  However, some number of weeks BTN has picks over ESPN/2/U.  The point of all of this is so that every B1G home game is nationally televised.

 

I expect this SEC Network to work the same way since it's a winning formula ($$$).  Just substitute CBS for ABC, SECN for BTN, and add in regular use of ESPNU.  Gone will be the regional televised games on local broadcasts, games on RSNs, and games on PPV so that every SEC home game is nationally televised.

 

Additionally, this will cripple the already weak ESPN GamePlan.  I'd expect to see this package either fold or DRASTICALLY reduce its price due to lack of compelling content (ACC, AAC, & mid-majors), especially if the ACC manages to put together their own network.


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Posted 09 May 2013 - 09:43 AM

...the new SEC Network will replace the old SEC Network games that were shown OTA locally in SEC territories.

 

 

And outside SEC territories as well -- for example, independent station KDOC in Los Angeles carries the SEC Network football games.


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Posted 09 May 2013 - 12:01 PM

Here's how the B1G Football TV contract generally works.  Each B1G team will have two games on BTN, one of which will be a conference game.  Pick order for games is ABC, ESPN/2, BTN (with the rare ESPNU option).  However, some number of weeks BTN has picks over ESPN/2/U.  The point of all of this is so that every B1G home game is nationally televised.

 

I expect this SEC Network to work the same way since it's a winning formula ($$$).  Just substitute CBS for ABC, SECN for BTN, and add in regular use of ESPNU.  Gone will be the regional televised games on local broadcasts, games on RSNs, and games on PPV so that every SEC home game is nationally televised.

 

Additionally, this will cripple the already weak ESPN GamePlan.  I'd expect to see this package either fold or DRASTICALLY reduce its price due to lack of compelling content (ACC, AAC, & mid-majors), especially if the ACC manages to put together their own network.

The problem with this setup, maybe minor to some, is that the networks can wait as few as 6 days before deciding what game they are going to show, and at what time they are going to show it.  Fans get the short end again!  I"m less apt to buy season tickets to my team if besides having to drive 1.5 hours to get to the game but having to do the same dive home, throw in a 7pm start time (West Coast) and I don't get home until 1 am?  Sorry Fans need to start voting with their money and not buying tickets, or paying too much (like DirecTV) for a product that shouldn't cost that much.... argh...rant rant rant...



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Posted 09 May 2013 - 01:11 PM

You are lucky that games start at 7:00.  Many SEC games do not start until 9:00 EST.



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Posted 09 May 2013 - 01:15 PM

You are lucky that games start at 7:00.  Many SEC games do not start until 9:00 EST.

What SEC games start at 9pm EST?  I didn't think the East Coast started a game after 5pm EST?



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Posted 09 May 2013 - 01:55 PM

What SEC games start at 9pm EST?  I didn't think the East Coast started a game after 5pm EST?

 

Ha! 6, 7, 8 and 9 are standard starting times in the East for college football. The daytime times are Noon and 3:30ish. (Some are in Central Time, so it is slightly earlier but still 9 ET games are normal for the East Coast.)


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Posted 09 May 2013 - 03:37 PM

What SEC games start at 9pm EST?  I didn't think the East Coast started a game after 5pm EST?

 

From last season, there were 3 SEC games after 9 PM, there were others at 8:30, and several at 7 and 7:45:

 

Texas at Ole Miss espn_hd.jpg Saturday 9/15 9:15 PM

 Ole Miss at Alabama espn_hd.jpg Saturday 9/29 9;15 PM
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 03:39 PM

Ha! 6, 7, 8 and 9 are standard starting times in the East for college football. The daytime times are Noon and 3:30ish. (Some are in Central Time, so it is slightly earlier but still 9 ET games are normal for the East Coast.)

 

Those of us on the West Coast are super spoiled.  It is rare that the "late" game starts past 7:30 or 8:00 Pacific time.  The occasional college hoops game might start at 9.



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Posted 09 May 2013 - 03:49 PM

Those of us on the West Coast are super spoiled.  It is rare that the "late" game starts past 7:30 or 8:00 Pacific time.  The occasional college hoops game might start at 9.

 

Well, the retired are spoiled anyway. ;) With east coast games often starting at 4 pm local time during the week in most sports, it's pretty easy to miss the beginning of games.



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Posted 09 May 2013 - 05:38 PM

Here's how the B1G Football TV contract generally works.  Each B1G team will have two games on BTN, one of which will be a conference game.  Pick order for games is ABC, ESPN/2, BTN (with the rare ESPNU option).  However, some number of weeks BTN has picks over ESPN/2/U.  The point of all of this is so that every B1G home game is nationally televised.

 

I expect this SEC Network to work the same way since it's a winning formula ($$$).  Just substitute CBS for ABC, SECN for BTN, and add in regular use of ESPNU.  Gone will be the regional televised games on local broadcasts, games on RSNs, and games on PPV so that every SEC home game is nationally televised.

 

Additionally, this will cripple the already weak ESPN GamePlan.  I'd expect to see this package either fold or DRASTICALLY reduce its price due to lack of compelling content (ACC, AAC, & mid-majors), especially if the ACC manages to put together their own network.

ESPN game plan / full court needs to go HD or let cable / sat systems sub in remap RSN / wild HD feeds.


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