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#151 OFFLINE   Laxguy

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 10:45 PM

Well, maybe you do, but I think of a wide range of sports. And excellent presentations of major events. 


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 11:05 PM

When you think Directv sports, you think NFL.

 

Not trying to be argumentative, but when I think of Directv sports, I think ALL sports.  I know how popular the NFL is in most parts of the country, and it is popular in the South also, but it falls second in the hierarchy to college football in the South....in my humble opinion.


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 11:08 PM

Other than my later post where I researched and found the contract expires on 9/30/2014 what part is inaccurate?


I think SR was referring to your statement that Mike White didn't want to negotiate until the deal expires. We're about seven months away from the expiration date according to your research, and my guess is that negotiations have been underway for some time. We may not get a resolution for seven or more months, but my guess is both parties have been actively working toward a new deal.
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Posted 05 March 2014 - 03:35 AM

The deal with Dish probably provides a framework for what Directv and Disney are negotiating. It might not be identical (i.e. maybe Directv doesn't pickup Longhorn network) but it'll probably be similar, especially in terms of streaming rights. Even though Directv didn't design a bargaining chip into the Genie like Dish was smart enough to do with the Hopper :)

 

Given that BTN is already in a basic package on Directv, giving similar carriage to SECN wouldn't exactly be setting a precedent, and the reported cost of the SECN is quite reasonable when compared to what is being paid for BTN considering how long ago that deal was negotiated and how quickly sports rights fees have been inflating. Or a better comparison: SECN is asking for in-region fees about 1/4 of what that Dodgers only RSN reportedly wants LA residents to pay!

 

At some point providers are going to have to fight the battle over the high cost of sports being pushed onto all customers, instead of only the ones who want to watch sports, but I think Directv feels a lot safer choosing Pac12 Network as the test case for that rather than SECN for two reasons. One, as opposed to Pac12 Network, SECN will have some big games right from the start. Two, as others have pointed out, college football takes precedence over pro in the hearts and minds of the south, but the exact opposite is true on the west coast.

 

The nice thing about owning/operating your own conference network, like the Pac 12 does, is that you control your production and keep all the profit. The bad thing is that you don't have anyone in your corner during negotiations, as the SEC does with ESPN/Disney and the B1G will have with Fox (51% owner of BTN)


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 04:11 AM

The deal with Dish probably provides a framework for what Directv and Disney are negotiating. It might not be identical (i.e. maybe Directv doesn't pickup Longhorn network) but it'll probably be similar, especially in terms of streaming rights. Even though Directv didn't design a bargaining chip into the Genie like Dish was smart enough to do with the Hopper :)

 

Given that BTN is already in a basic package on Directv, giving similar carriage to SECN wouldn't exactly be setting a precedent, and the reported cost of the SECN is quite reasonable when compared to what is being paid for BTN considering how long ago that deal was negotiated and how quickly sports rights fees have been inflating. Or a better comparison: SECN is asking for in-region fees about 1/4 of what that Dodgers only RSN reportedly wants LA residents to pay!

 

At some point providers are going to have to fight the battle over the high cost of sports being pushed onto all customers, instead of only the ones who want to watch sports, but I think Directv feels a lot safer choosing Pac12 Network as the test case for that rather than SECN for two reasons. One, as opposed to Pac12 Network, SECN will have some big games right from the start. Two, as others have pointed out, college football takes precedence over pro in the hearts and minds of the south, but the exact opposite is true on the west coast.

 

The nice thing about owning/operating your own conference network, like the Pac 12 does, is that you control your production and keep all the profit. The bad thing is that you don't have anyone in your corner during negotiations, as the SEC does with ESPN/Disney and the B1G will have with Fox (51% owner of BTN)

 

If I remember correctly, DirecTV has said that they're interested in the Longhorn Network if it's a part of a wider deal with ESPN.



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 04:24 AM

I was just using that as an example of how the deals may differ.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 06:52 AM

The other main difference between Pac12 and SECN is that's it's only ONE channel. Not a range of channels like BTN.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 06:56 AM

Not trying to be argumentative, but when I think of Directv sports, I think ALL sports.  I know how popular the NFL is in most parts of the country, and it is popular in the South also, but it falls second in the hierarchy to college football in the South....in my humble opinion.

 

The NFL is what sets Directv apart from all other cable and satellite providers due to its NFL exclusivity.  I'm not arguing about the relative popularity of the college game versus the pro game, which as you point, is regional.  But Directv's signature product is its ability to deliver every NFL game to you every Sunday.  Other providers provide the same college service (or better).  Nobody comes close on the NFL.



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:05 AM

 At some point providers are going to have to fight the battle over the high cost of sports being pushed onto all customers, instead of only the ones who want to watch sports


That would require ALL of the providers to stand up and do it, but since some of those providers also own sports networks I don't see it happening anytime soon.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:37 AM

That would require ALL of the providers to stand up and do it, but since some of those providers also own sports networks I don't see it happening anytime soon.

 

This is where the concern about Comcast and Time Warner's control of content could be an important issue in the government's overview of the merger.



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:56 AM

The NFL is what sets Directv apart from all other cable and satellite providers due to its NFL exclusivity.  I'm not arguing about the relative popularity of the college game versus the pro game, which as you point, is regional.  But Directv's signature product is its ability to deliver every NFL game to you every Sunday.  Other providers provide the same college service (or better).  Nobody comes close on the NFL.

also most out of market games in HD (Few cable systems have all of the iN DEMAND HD feeds) and directv has most games with DUAL HD feeds.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 11:32 AM

I was just using that as an example of how the deals may differ.

 

I know one thing that did differ is the fact that the deal included Dish being able to carry ESPN/Disney owned channels in HD that they didn't have including some that they did carry that were pulled previously (all of which D* has been carrying for a while now).  ESPNEWS HD, ESPNU HD, Disney Channel HD and ABC Family HD were listed in the PR, and the new launches such as Disney Junior, SECN, LHN, Fusion, ESPN GL/BB will very likely be added in HD at launch. Disney XD HD and ESPN Deportes HD weren't listed in the PR but will probably be added in HD as well. 


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 11:36 AM

I know one thing that did differ is the fact that the deal included Dish being able to carry ESPN/Disney owned channels in HD that they didn't have including some that they did carry that were pulled previously (all of which D* has been carrying for a while now).  ESPNEWS HD, ESPNU HD, Disney Channel HD and ABC Family HD were listed in the PR, and the new launches such as Disney Junior, SECN, LHN, Fusion, ESPN GL/BB will very likely be added in HD at launch. Disney XD HD and ESPN Deportes HD wasn't listed in the PR but will probably be added in HD as well. 

 

I don't think Goal Line and Buzzer Beater are available in HD at all.



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 11:38 AM

I don't think Goal Line and Buzzer Beater are available in HD at all.

 

They actually are available in 720p HD from there distributor, granted they are only part time channels.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 04:04 PM

The other main difference between Pac12 and SECN is that's it's only ONE channel. Not a range of channels like BTN.

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Pac12 is the one that's the range of channels (seven full time channels, I believe) BTN is only one channel, with overflow channels that open up only when there are multiple games on at once. The SEC Network will work the same way, one channel with overflows when multiple games are on at the same time.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 04:32 PM

That would require ALL of the providers to stand up and do it, but since some of those providers also own sports networks I don't see it happening anytime soon.

 

If a post-merger Comcast+TWC is the only one carrying high priced pro team RSNs because the satellite and other cable operators refuse, they have to bear the entire cost of what they're paying to the pro teams for the rights. Their contracts were made based on the idea those RSNs would be widely distributed but that may not end up going the way they planned.

 

If they try to pass on those high costs they'll lose subscribers who don't care about sports - a vicious cycle as the more of them leave the higher the per subscriber cost goes up so they need to increase prices further. If they don't pass on those costs, they'll be less profitable or even lose money, and the shareholders will not allow them to do such expensive deals ever again (possibly why the Dodgers wanted such a long deal with TWC)

 

If Comcast+TWC succeeds in pulling sports lovers from other providers by being the only one offering pro team RSNs in some major markets that hurts their negotiating position when they talk to conference networks, ESPN and Fox. If Comcast+TWC has been stealing a lot of subscribers from other providers to get the RSNs, they'll have a more sports heavy subscriber base than other providers. So why wouldn't Disney and everyone else sock it to them by asking for 2x the money they ask of other providers, because it'll be harder for them to say no because they would have more to lose than say Directv or Dish.

 

The more sports costs inflate Comcat+TWC's cost structure the more sports subscriber heavy their subscriber base becomes. I think Comcast+TWC may eventually implode if they pursue the strategy I think they're trying.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 04:35 PM

http://www.awfulanno...d-strategy.html

 

The sports media bloggers are catching on that DirecTV is falling behind Dish now that this deal is done.  

From the article:  "This is an interesting development for many reasons, mainly because Dish seems to have found a strategy in adding sports subscribers from competitors, once a weakness for the company and something DTV (sic) had somewhat of a monopoly on."

 

As I have been saying for two years now, since D* passed on carrying the PAC 12 Net. 


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 05:16 PM

Except they have so far less than DIRECTV does today still overall.

A few new channels doesn't change the landscape. DIRECTV wasn't ahead by an inch. They where ahead by miles. Now it's only maybe a fee miles instead of lots but they are still plenty ahead. Especially when you consider that channel hasn't even launched yet.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 05:43 PM

Except they have so far less than DIRECTV does today still overall.

A few new channels doesn't change the landscape. DIRECTV wasn't ahead by an inch. They where ahead by miles. Now it's only maybe a fee miles instead of lots but they are still plenty ahead. Especially when you consider that channel hasn't even launched yet.

You say that over and over, so thanks to our friends at the AVS Fourm, I went to their HD carriage chart to compare (sports in SD isn't watchable, so I'm not counting those channels).  Dish's biggest shortfall is the New York market, where they don't carry any of the RSNs in HD as well as MASN.  The only other channels I see that they don't carry in HD is Fox Sports2 and Fox Sports+, which we all know D* only carries selected live events and is an ala carte channel.  So your comment has some merit, but if D* doesn't sign to carry the SEC, PAC 12, and the Longhorn Channels, you can no longer make that claim.  Next to the NFL, college football is a must have, and Dish will carry all of them. 



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 05:44 PM

Except they have so far less than DIRECTV does today still overall.

A few new channels doesn't change the landscape. DIRECTV wasn't ahead by an inch. They where ahead by miles. Now it's only maybe a fee miles instead of lots but they are still plenty ahead. Especially when you consider that channel hasn't even launched yet.

Key point is that they "were" ahead, and soon it will be very murky.  SEC network isn't a game danger for me personally, but if nothing changes in the current landscape, I'm gonna downgrade to the Entertainment package after the Clippers season ends (so I can ditch the ridiculous $3.63 Regional Sports Fee in LA) and then move to Dish for the Pac-12 network when my contract is up in the fall.  My parents and in-laws have already left DirecTV, so I'm one of the few remaining in my family.  

 

Looks like DTV is hitching their boat to the Lakers and more of the pro teams, while Dish is focusing on college.  Easy choice to me, since the only pros I watch are available via networks, MLB.TV and Prime Ticket.  The free Red Zone Channel DTV has given me the last few years will be hard to give up, but I'm sure I can get used to the NFL version on Dish.



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:10 PM

You say that over and over, so thanks to our friends at the AVS Fourm, I went to their HD carriage chart to compare (sports in SD isn't watchable, so I'm not counting those channels).  Dish's biggest shortfall is the New York market, where they don't carry any of the RSNs in HD as well as MASN.  The only other channels I see that they don't carry in HD is Fox Sports2 and Fox Sports+, which we all know D* only carries selected live events and is an ala carte channel.  So your comment has some merit, but if D* doesn't sign to carry the SEC, PAC 12, and the Longhorn Channels, you can no longer make that claim.  Next to the NFL, college football is a must have, and Dish will carry all of them. 

 

That's a mighty big "if" to worry about Directv not announcing SECN yet, since it doesn't launch for nearly six months. Dish hasn't announced they're renewing BTN when it expires at the end of next season, should we worry about that too?

 

The Longhorn Network is a single team network that carries only one or two irrelevant games a year (it isn't like Texas/Oklahoma is on that channel) so it is hardly a pressing concern. Nevertheless, given that Dish agreed to carry it, Disney may force it on providers in order to get ESPN, so Directv may end up carrying it when they renew their deal with ESPN.

 

Dish doesn't "carry all of them", because I believe every Big 12 school now has their own team channel. We only hear about Longhorn Network because Texas is the biggest school in college sports, but even Iowa State has the "Cyclones.tv" channel which is carried on Mediacom in Iowa (in HD!) but pretty sure it'll never be carried by either Directv or Dish. I'm sure the same is true for channels from schools like Kansas, Baylor and Texas Tech. Even Texas is only able to win carriage deals via ESPN's muscle, if it wasn't for that it would still cover only 2% of Austin as it did during its first year of operation.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:36 PM

WJOX Sports Radio out of Birmingham:

 

@RyanBrownWJOX; We invited @DIRECTV on the @JOXRoundtable to discuss @SECNetwork intentions. They declined but shared this: pic.twitter.com/zS3jI1WmAG

 

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Posted 07 March 2014 - 08:15 AM

Other than my later post where I researched and found the contract expires on 9/30/2014 what part is inaccurate?

 

 

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Posted 07 March 2014 - 08:29 AM

This paragraph doesn't seem accurate: 

 

 

The agreement between Dish and Disney marked the first time that a U.S. pay TV operator has been given the flexibility to offer its content over the Web through smartphones, tablets and computers outside of a pay TV subscription.

Perhaps if the word "live" were put in, it would be? 


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Posted 07 March 2014 - 05:05 PM

For me personally, this is a deal breaker. I've been with DTV since 1999 and want to stay with them, but the SEC Network coverage will determine my provider come September. Not trying to sound like an a**,  but we've all got our priorities.






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