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#81 OFFLINE   TomCat

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 08:23 PM



Yanking an episode costs the networks money. That means someone had to authorize the (opportunity) cost. That doesn't seem very self-serving. 

 

Comedy is all about timing. This was bad timing, given it was the very day it happened. 

 

What if I had relatives or friends who lived in the area, but I live somewhere else. After I've verified they are ok, what do you expect me to do to assist them from 2,000 miles away on that night? 

 

So you demand a break. because "[tornadoes] happen everyday". You are so incredibly hurt by an episode yank. You are forced to endure 30 minutes of intense pain of watching a re-run a week early. You might want to get your money back. Sue for triple damages. As, obviously this pain and agony is so much more than that suffered by the people in the storm... 

 

I try to put myself in other people's shoes. To understand the pain, to empathize if possible. I'm kinda having problems seeing your pain here.

 

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Well, sure. Peace. Above all.

 

But WHAT pain? I could give a rat's hat what they put on. I have no pain, I just watch something else. People are going to act stupidly, and network programmers are certainly not immune. I have no way to keep them from beiing stupid.

 

It's not about how it hurts me or you; it's about how stupid and self-serving and hypocritical it is.

 

And the depth of others' pain, which in the case of Oklahoma is indeed significant compared to the annoying inconvenience of my DVR recording an ep thinking it is one thing (a new ep) while in reality it is something completely different, is COMPLETELY BESIDE THE POINT. So stop pretending that there is some connection there. Compare them, and yes, it sounds trivial. So STOP COMPARING THEM.

 

People whine because someone hacks their FaceBook account, and meanwhile our kids in Afghanistan are dying for no good reason. Sure, that ultimate price is comparatively high and makes the whining seem trivial, but again, those are two different things. Stop trying to connect them. Any of us would gladly give FaceBook the boot for good if it meant our kids never had to die in a foriegn land for no good reason; we are not monsters after all, but let's have some perspective. How bad something else might be does not matter and is not relevant to the discussion. This is still a real issue, and a real stupid one at that.


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Posted 25 May 2013 - 11:45 AM

Episode is scheduled for Thursday, may 30.

Big hullabaloo about making a safe decision to postpone a whole week to just avoid the day it was happening. CBS made the right decision. They didn't cancel. They just said that was not the right day. Anybody dumping on them is either whining or looking for an argument.
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Posted 25 May 2013 - 12:17 PM

Damn tornados trying to take our freedom away from us. I'm hoping the CIA investigates these tornados as fully and deeply as possible.

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 01:04 PM

Episode is scheduled for Thursday, may 30.

Big hullabaloo about making a safe decision to postpone a whole week to just avoid the day it was happening. CBS made the right decision. They didn't cancel. They just said that was not the right day. Anybody dumping on them is either whining or looking for an argument.

The point some have been making, though... is that CBS is in no way a "hero" here.  They only did this for themselves, for publicity, to make themselves look good.  Please lets not put CBS on the hero pedestal where people who did heroic things during the tornadoes to save others belong.

 

That's what irks me.  I can watch my TV anytime...  I just don't like when people or organizations try to take advantage of a disaster for their own public image.


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Posted 25 May 2013 - 02:00 PM

The point some have been making, though... is that CBS is in no way a "hero" here.  They only did this for themselves, for publicity, to make themselves look good.  Please lets not put CBS on the hero pedestal where people who did heroic things during the tornadoes to save others belong.

 

That's what irks me.  I can watch my TV anytime...  I just don't like when people or organizations try to take advantage of a disaster for their own public image.

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 02:08 PM

The point some have been making, though... is that CBS is in no way a "hero" here.

Not a hero, just respectful.
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Posted 25 May 2013 - 02:28 PM

I don't watch this show but have to chuckle at this thread. Syfy postponed an episode of Haven after the Newtown shootings. I don't recall much angst over that decision.

 

As several have said, it's only TV.



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Posted 25 May 2013 - 03:45 PM

Or Stephen King pulling an entire novel out of print after school shootings.

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 04:39 PM

I don't watch this show but have to chuckle at this thread. Syfy postponed an episode of Haven after the Newtown shootings. I don't recall much angst over that decision.

 

As several have said, it's only TV.

It's a great Comedy and it feels wonderful to have a big laugh and many so called comedies just don't have the laugh factor to get your minds off of things in the news. And being that it's a comedy I can't see anyone getting killed off by this episode in question. We all have opinions and are very much entitled to them


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Posted 25 May 2013 - 06:13 PM

The point some have been making, though... is that CBS is in no way a "hero" here.  They only did this for themselves, for publicity, to make themselves look good.  Please lets not put CBS on the hero pedestal where people who did heroic things during the tornadoes to save others belong.

 

That's what irks me.  I can watch my TV anytime...  I just don't like when people or organizations try to take advantage of a disaster for their own public image.

How do you know? How are you so certain? 

 

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 07:39 PM

How do you know? How are you so certain? 

How do I know CBS did it for their own gain?  Because CBS was the only entity who benefits from pulling the episode.  People who would have been depressed by the episode would not have watched, people in the disaster would not have watched, and people outside of the disaster who were not affected would not have complained about CBS airing the episode.

 

Only CBS stands to "win" in the court of public appeal by pulling the episode and airing it later.

 

And... they are now going to air it on May 30th according to an earlier post in this thread.  Is it safe to air now because everyone displaced by the storm is happy in their new homes?  All injuries from the storm are healed?  Isn't it just as likely someone affected by the storm is going to see this episode next week and be just as offended/depressed then?  BUT  CBS will air the episode then anyway, because they want their sponsor money and more people will probably watch it because of CBS having postponed and garnered some public good will... so in the end CBS wins, while actually doing no real positive thing in the grand scheme of things.


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Posted 25 May 2013 - 08:37 PM

How do I know CBS did it for their own gain?  Because CBS was the only entity who benefits from pulling the episode.  People who would have been depressed by the episode would not have watched, people in the disaster would not have watched, and people outside of the disaster who were not affected would not have complained about CBS airing the episode.

 

Only CBS stands to "win" in the court of public appeal by pulling the episode and airing it later.

 

And... they are now going to air it on May 30th according to an earlier post in this thread.  Is it safe to air now because everyone displaced by the storm is happy in their new homes?  All injuries from the storm are healed?  Isn't it just as likely someone affected by the storm is going to see this episode next week and be just as offended/depressed then?  BUT  CBS will air the episode then anyway, because they want their sponsor money and more people will probably watch it because of CBS having postponed and garnered some public good will... so in the end CBS wins, while actually doing no real positive thing in the grand scheme of things.

Yeah, I now look forward to this episode less then I did a week and a half ago. And I've never missed an episode until they cancelled last weeks for trying to be to PC which really has turned me off.......


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Posted 25 May 2013 - 09:33 PM

How do I know CBS did it for their own gain?  Because CBS was the only entity who benefits from pulling the episode.  People who would have been depressed by the episode would not have watched, people in the disaster would not have watched, and people outside of the disaster who were not affected would not have complained about CBS airing the episode.

 

Only CBS stands to "win" in the court of public appeal by pulling the episode and airing it later.

 

And... they are now going to air it on May 30th according to an earlier post in this thread.  Is it safe to air now because everyone displaced by the storm is happy in their new homes?  All injuries from the storm are healed?  Isn't it just as likely someone affected by the storm is going to see this episode next week and be just as offended/depressed then?  BUT  CBS will air the episode then anyway, because they want their sponsor money and more people will probably watch it because of CBS having postponed and garnered some public good will... so in the end CBS wins, while actually doing no real positive thing in the grand scheme of things.

So CBS, who will lose short-term money because of this, can only have yanked this because of PR points? There is no possible way, none whatsoever that they could have postponed the episode because they truly were being respectful for the situation? 

 

How would anyone know which it is? Wouldn't there need to be some sign, like real evidence? 

 

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 09:47 PM

So CBS, who will lose short-term money because of this, can only have yanked this because of PR points? There is no possible way, none whatsoever that they could have postponed the episode because they truly were being respectful for the situation? 

 

How would anyone know which it is? Wouldn't there need to be some sign, like real evidence? 

 

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 10:24 PM

Prove it wrong, your the one that's saying it can't be. We now live in a society where humans will be able to marry animals in due time, America has changed for the worst it's now smoke & mirrors of the worst kind, money is there God....

Wow, that brings us way off topic.

 

And no, I'm not saying that it is or isn't simple respect. I'm keeping an open mind. And asking questions of thems who are "certain" it can only be one way. The burden typically falls upon thems who make the statements as though fact... 

 

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 10:51 AM

Is it epic to them?  Absolutely...  However in the grand scale of things this isn't an "epic storm" at all. 

 

My use of the term "epic" was not about the storm per se, but more about the coverage.  It seemed to be about on the same scale as the Joplin and Tuscaloosa tornados.  It was in the news cycle on most stations for 2 days.  A regular tornado does not get that much attention.  I would guess that part of it is due to the fact that the initial reports were of 20+ elementary students being killed.  At one point, even around the time that M&M was scheduled to air, the death toll was approaching 100.  Seems like they double counted many and was revised down the next day.


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Posted 26 May 2013 - 02:06 PM

Regarding CBS...  Why is airing the same episode a week later any more proper than airing it the day it was scheduled?  IF the reason for pulling it was out of sensitivity and concern for those affected and displaced by the tornado... then airing the episode 1 week later makes no sense.  Some people now still aren't full to terms with just what they have lost.  People in the midst of that kind of destruction don't get over it in a week.

 

IF CBS truly cares and truly believes that episode was offensive last week... then they should think it is just as offensive this week.  What has changed?

 

Now, I don't think they should have pulled it at all... but they did... so what is their thought process that last week it would have been insensitive BUT this week is ok?  That's why I can question their motives and be pretty sure they are doing it for their bottom line... and not out of any concern for anyone.


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Posted 26 May 2013 - 02:17 PM

My use of the term "epic" was not about the storm per se, but more about the coverage.  It seemed to be about on the same scale as the Joplin and Tuscaloosa tornados.  It was in the news cycle on most stations for 2 days.  A regular tornado does not get that much attention.  I would guess that part of it is due to the fact that the initial reports were of 20+ elementary students being killed.  At one point, even around the time that M&M was scheduled to air, the death toll was approaching 100.  Seems like they double counted many and was revised down the next day.

 

IMO, the tornado was covered so much because of the kids killed and trapped in the school.


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Posted 26 May 2013 - 04:26 PM

Regarding CBS...  Why is airing the same episode a week later any more proper than airing it the day it was scheduled?  IF the reason for pulling it was out of sensitivity and concern for those affected and displaced by the tornado... then airing the episode 1 week later makes no sense.  Some people now still aren't full to terms with just what they have lost.  People in the midst of that kind of destruction don't get over it in a week.

 

IF CBS truly cares and truly believes that episode was offensive last week... then they should think it is just as offensive this week.  What has changed?

 

Now, I don't think they should have pulled it at all... but they did... so what is their thought process that last week it would have been insensitive BUT this week is ok?  That's why I can question their motives and be pretty sure they are doing it for their bottom line... and not out of any concern for anyone.

This isn't all or nothing. Timing does play a part. A joke on the day of can be rude and insensitive. After time has passed, when healing has started and the wound isn't raw, it's not quite as bad. 

Had CBS pulled it forever, then they would be joining the overly zealous PC crowd they are already being accused of. 

 

So the evidence is because they pulled it they are guilty. Still no indication of what a truly sensitive person would have done differently. Interesting...

 

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 05:14 PM

I believe the most overly sensitive people in the world are those who are bent out of shape over the temporary delay in airing a TV show.

 

It is a TV show!

 

Sometimes I wonder how much people have lost perspective in America. This thread is a good example of how much fuss can be made over something so unimportant. Never has so much angst been expressed over such an unimportant issue.

 

BTW: If it was such an important TV show where are the Mike & Molly threads? No one cared enough about the show until one episode was delayed?


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