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Dish & Direct tv--Any signal or Picture difference?


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#26 OFFLINE   P Smith

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 09:07 PM

that's good news ... but guys :backtotop:


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Posted 13 June 2013 - 10:30 PM

There is definitely a difference in HD PQ. Many claim to not be able to tell the difference, and I believe them. And some of them claim 20-20 vision, and I believe them.

 

The thing is, observations of PQ are not a function solely of visual acuity, nor more than perception of HQ sound is solely a function of ability to get high scores on auditory tests. 


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Posted 14 June 2013 - 04:53 AM

When I switched to Dish from DirecTV in April of 2012, I could perceive a difference in picture quality, but it was subtle.  I am extremely fussy about my viewing quality, and can easily detect things that most people never notice (artifacting, color squashing, lack of detail.)  I would call Dish's HD quality acceptable, but DirecTV's had a certain "wow!" factor on the sharpest programs (like Frozen Planet.)



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Posted 14 June 2013 - 07:43 AM

Thank you. I think we've found an honest man.......


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Posted 16 June 2013 - 03:59 AM

Thank you. I think we've found an honest man.......

 

I wouldn't say that others are dishonest.  My spouse can't see the difference at all.  Same equipment, some programming.



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Posted 16 June 2013 - 05:40 AM

I wouldn't say that others are dishonest.  My spouse can't see the difference at all.  Same equipment, some programming.

Some people can't see the difference between 720p, 1080i, and 1080p yet there is a difference.


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Posted 16 June 2013 - 09:16 AM

I've had DirecTV for many years, and recently added Dish to my system.

 

Gotta say, I LOVE having BOTH services.

 

Yes, it's pricey and I'm paying for quite a bit of duplicate programming, but as an independent installer that has clients on both services, becoming a little more 'fluent' on the Dish side is good business.

 

There is some programming differences, RFD-HD for starters, and the KTLA, WWOR,WPIX, KWGN pack that I really like.  There are some feature differences, the higher frame rate during the FF and REW scan on Dish is great, I appreciate the slightly better HD on Direct, but can't complain about Dish.  It would be nice if the Dish box would stay on indefinitely, I mirror 2 Direct boxes and both tuners on my 722, and it's annoying the Dish box shuts off every night.

 

For those that can afford it, I'd recommend both, the 'kewl' factor is considerable, fun seeing both dishes on the roof next to each other!  The 722 adds some HDDVR capacity, and since I don't have a Genie yet (maybe next year) the bump is welcome.

 

I've already had a major 'save' with a customer on Dish, instead of a house call, I was able to walk her through her problem by grabbing my Dish remote and punching up the menu while talking to her over the phone.



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Posted 16 June 2013 - 10:14 AM

Thanks for the techhie viewpoint, I look with my now great eyes after cataract surgery, at my 73" DLP 3D set, and my 24" PS3 3D display and they both tell my eyes that maybe it isn't 'dvd quality' but it is close enough to the viewer that the differences are slight.  That said, it is not the same on all channels.

For some reason The History Channel has sharp picture..


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 10:03 PM

Well, don't reply then if it bothers you so much. I for one don't know if there is a difference and I might switch to Dish so I need to ask.

 

 

If you do decide you will want the Hopper with Sling,it has the ability to record 4 local programs at night(NBC,ABC,CBS and FOX) with one satellite tuner(Primetime Anytime) plus two other satellite tuner programs,or if you have the USB OTA tuner another local channel.The newer receiver's have the latest video chips so naturally you will see a better picture.Also the 922,Hopper,and Hopper with Sling all have the channel logos in the electronic programming guide and the Menu Tile format. :)



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Posted 18 June 2013 - 09:59 PM

I have had both over the years. I watch TV on a 1080p projector on a 145" screen and honestly I can't see the difference between the two in terms of HD, SD does look better on Dish but I avoid SD at all costs.  

 

In terms of signal strength it has a lot to do with your installer.  Since I tend to switch every 2 years I can see a trend and say that I had much better signal strength with Dish than with Direct.

 

In fact right now it's raining hard and I lost signal on Direct TV.  With Dish we had record setting snow here and I never lost signal.  



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Posted 20 June 2013 - 06:25 AM

I have a 100" screen with a Sony 1272 crt projector. That's why I'm asking.

 

Direct tv looks great now,  In HD 1080I) & SD,

 just wondering if I switched to Dish if there would be any noticable changes

 

Dish has some great pricing right now compared to Direct tv

 

 

With that size you will definitely see a difference.

 

How ever the difference isnt that bad. As said earlier its not like your comparing VHS to DVD, but rather DVDHD to Blu ray. 

 

There both great formats but Dtv definitely has the edge, albeit slight.  Having owned both I would recommend going with which ever option makes you wallet feel good, your eyes wont care either way lol :P



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Posted 21 June 2013 - 04:08 PM

Vertical resolution is the same (1080) but horizontal resolution is 2/3 of DTVs 1920 at 1440. the human eye does not perceive horizontal resolution as acutely as it does vertical resolution, mainly because most of our panning is horizontal.

If you actually look for a slight difference, you will find it, but if you are enjoying a movie or show, it will not be evident.
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Posted 21 June 2013 - 04:14 PM

Well, you're speaking from your own experience. Others have different perception profiles: some see no difference, others see a significant one. Still others.....


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 04:36 PM

Thank you. I think we've found an honest man.......

 

BS. Not his opinion, you saying that is more honest than my opinion or others just because you may believe it. I say the color is better on Dishnetwork, in a very subtle way, but overall not enough difference in PQ between the two providers to matter. 



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Posted 21 June 2013 - 04:39 PM

Some people can't see the difference between 720p, 1080i, and 1080p yet there is a difference.

 

There is none. Well there is of course but there may be good reason people don't see a difference and I often question those who say they do. Unless the screen is big enough and you sit close enough, there is no difference to the human eye. In fact given a smaller screen size and sitting at a normal viewing distance even 480 looks no worse than 1080. It's fact.

 

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 04:40 PM

For some reason The History Channel has sharp picture..

 

Yes it does, Pickers in particular always looks great. HBO looks better than most cable channels also.



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Posted 22 June 2013 - 08:40 AM

There is none. Well there is of course but there may be good reason people don't see a difference and I often question those who say they do. Unless the screen is big enough and you sit close enough, there is no difference to the human eye. In fact given a smaller screen size and sitting at a normal viewing distance even 480 looks no worse than 1080. It's fact.

 

 

Simply untrue. You'd have to understand how pixels affect resolution, where it makes a difference and where it doesn't. While one can construct scenarios where some pictures of different resolutions look equivalent by varying the distance, it doesn't mean they are the same in all situations. 


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Posted 22 June 2013 - 09:15 AM

I respectfully disagree. Saying it's simply untrue doesn't change facts. Do some research on what the human eye can see on the subject of resolution. A 480 signal WILL LOOK NO DIFFERENT THAN 1080 at even a reasonable smaller screen size and from a reasonable distance. It's not some theory it's fact.

Now take a much larger screen and sit reasonably close enough or even too close and the difference in resolution can be seen. So as I posted while there is a difference of course seeing it is another matter.



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Posted 22 June 2013 - 09:29 AM

I've had both services now for a few more weeks, and love them both.  Wish I had done this years ago.  There are things I really like about both boxes. 

 

I am getting more adept at running the Dish 722 now, and it does what I want.  The programming differences are interesting, I was watching WBZ local coverage of the Hernandez brouhaha, and I have Molly B on in (Dish) HD right now.   

 

I've been using the DirecTV HDDVR fleet I have (5!) and am looking forward to getting an HR34 next year and some clients.

 

I need to 'permanetize' my Dish 722 location, I have had it sitting on a speaker so far, just was trying to put off the ordeal of dragging the TV stand out from the wall for a reconfiguration.

 

 

 

I, for one, would like to see more of the posters here with both services.  If you are independent and work on both E* and D*, it will make you better at what you do, and even for folks dedicated to one over the other, the differences between the services, while actually few, are still interesting and significant.

 

And the cool factor when you mention to your peers that have you have both services is considerable!

 

 

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 02:13 PM

Do you have any recent authoritative documentation to support these claims? You're wording suggests objective evidence exists.

I install both and have to admit Directv HD picture quality is better than Dish Network...............     

 

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 02:33 PM

I respectfully disagree. Saying it's simply untrue doesn't change facts. Do some research on what the human eye can see on the subject of resolution. A 480 signal WILL LOOK NO DIFFERENT THAN 1080 at even a reasonable smaller screen size and from a reasonable distance. It's not some theory it's fact.

Now take a much larger screen and sit reasonably close enough or even too close and the difference in resolution can be seen. So as I posted while there is a difference of course seeing it is another matter.


And there are things you simply fail to consider in your assessment as well. There is a difference in that resolutions and its easy to see even at reasonable distances.

For one thing, motion will look different and that makes the overall picture look different. You may be able to say they'd look the same (although that's not true either generally, otherwise the retina display in cell phones wouldn't look so much better) on a static image, but when you have movement, a higher resolution will hide artifacts and color movements from one pixel to the next much better. Must smoother and more natural. There is a definet difference that the human eye can see. Quoting a statistic (that has some interpretation to it anyway) about static images isn't valid in the argument for picture quality of resolutions of movement across a TV screen.

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 10:42 PM

For most of us, this is really a moot discussion.

 

The only way for any of us to prove whether or not Dish or DirecTV looks better... would be to have both and have the same HDTV model side-by-side so that we could do a direct comparison of channels carried by both providers.

 

Based on everything said... IF you believe the metrics about 1440 instead of 1920... and I'm not saying I doubt those, I'm just saying *I* have no way to measure that and you will not find anyone from Dish who will tell you they are sending 1440x1080 instead of 1920x1080...  but accepting that as a possible fact for a moment...  Nobody has suggested that Dish does anything to the SD or to the 720p broadcasts... so we are left with the 1080i channels as possibly being better on DirecTV.

 

Without a side-by-side comparison, I couldn't say.

 

What I can say...

 

1. Dish looks pretty good to me most of the time.  IF I'm sitting at a proper distance (i.e. not within 1 foot of my 60" HDTV!!) then my Dish HD channels look pretty sharp and colorful and I have no complaints.

 

2. I have been a Dish customer long enough that I do believe their HD was better than it is now.  I can't say *why* that is... or how much is my own imagination vs the 1440/1920 thing... but I do remember the picture being even better in the early HD days with Dish.

 

3. My Blu-rays look better... as I would expect them to look... compared to the same or similar programming on Dish.

 

So...  I can't imagine DirecTV looking SO much better than Dish to be worth switching... when I'm happy with most of the rest of what I get with Dish.  IF I was a DirecTV customer, I would likely have the same answer... because I'm not prone to switch on a whim.  It is as much laziness and love for status quo as it is any sense of loyalty, though.


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Posted 22 June 2013 - 11:30 PM

I did measures and I coud go into any place to prove that fact: all dish HD are 1440x1088i or 1280x720p now.

 

Also I keep some old recordings, that was a  real sat HDTV (!) 1920x1080i 15-17 Mbps in MPEG-2 !

 

Argumatation like "I'm" or "anyone from Dish" is not versed well - the stream in your hands. Measure it ! Play with ch5710, it's free HD, a mirror from other sub channel. Be creative. Do some proof by measures. Set R5000-HD and analyze stream of all your subbed HD channels. Do it.


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Posted 23 June 2013 - 04:37 AM

A 480 signal WILL LOOK NO DIFFERENT THAN 1080 at even a reasonable smaller screen size and from a reasonable distance. It's not some theory it's fact.

 

Who determines what is reasonable?  Reasonable for you may be a 32" television viewed from 10'.  If you go to ISF or one of the other companies that have done the research, you will find that if you are at recommended viewing distances, the signal will look different at 1080 than 480.


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Posted 23 June 2013 - 08:12 AM

no diference at all






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