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720p Download Option for On Demand?


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#1 OFFLINE   shendley

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 09:17 PM

What happened to the 720p download option for On Demand? I remember that when you used to press record, a notification would come up asking if you'd like a faster download or the highest quality. I really like this option as I have a terribly slow download speed from AT&T and a 720p set. 720p looks fine (to me, at least) on my television and it was a much faster download speed. Now it appears to be gone. Is it hiding somewhere I'm unaware of?


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#2 OFFLINE   inkahauts

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 09:45 PM

As I recall its just not available for all shows.

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 10:00 PM

My supposition is that it's automatic and adjusts the PQ according to your d/l rate via sniffing. I have a low speed d/l rate (ca. 3 megs),  and I get no choices these days. 


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Posted 16 June 2013 - 10:33 PM

As I recall its just not available for all shows.

Perhaps, but we have almost exclusively downloaded stuff from Showtime and HBO and the option used to be available and now it's not.


Edited by shendley, 16 June 2013 - 10:34 PM.

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 10:37 PM

My supposition is that it's automatic and adjusts the PQ according to your d/l rate via sniffing. I have a low speed d/l rate (ca. 3 megs),  and I get no choices these days. 

I downloaded Nurse Jackie tonight and it shows it playing on my DVR at 1080i. I suspect that's because that's the highest resolution I have checked to receive (since my television won't display 1080p). Looks like it downloaded as a 1080p since it also took a lot longer to download than it would have given the older option of a faster download at 720p. I miss that feature.


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 02:10 AM

Not sure about show time, but HBO is very well compressed better than most stations. They where very particular About its quality, and its possible they have made it small enough that it doesn't matter speed wise compared to some other channels.

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 02:11 AM

Ah, 1080p doesn't really take any more space than 1080i. So that's not likely to be the reason.

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 02:12 AM

My supposition is that it's automatic and adjusts the PQ according to your d/l rate via sniffing. I have a low speed d/l rate (ca. 3 megs), and I get no choices these days.


That could be too...

Your shows download in what format though?

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 08:19 AM

The one show I downloaded after reading the question is showing at 1080i. (The Campaign.) 


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 08:24 AM

I downloaded Nurse Jackie tonight and it shows it playing on my DVR at 1080i. I suspect that's because that's the highest resolution I have checked to receive (since my television won't display 1080p). Looks like it downloaded as a 1080p since it also took a lot longer to download than it would have given the older option of a faster download at 720p. I miss that feature.

I'd fall over if any VOD came in at 1080p.

 

Also, be sure Native is on when checking resolution via the TV info menu.


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 08:37 AM

For awhile MGM VOD had a few free movies that were in 1080p. This past winter I downloaded "The Scalphunters" in 1080p.


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 09:30 AM

Ah, 1080p doesn't really take any more space than 1080i. So that's not likely to be the reason.

Actually, it does take more space and bandwidth.

 

At least 25% or 33% or more, depend of the event's scenes sequence and motions on a screen...

 

Take your drive to Linux PC and check its size. You will know by yourself for sure.



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Posted 17 June 2013 - 10:02 AM

For awhile MGM VOD had a few free movies that were in 1080p. This past winter I downloaded "The Scalphunters" in 1080p.

Hey, that's one of my favorite movies;

 

Sorry I missed that VOD, as I'm essentially limited now to just occasional SD center-cut showings of this picture on the Encore Western theme channel. Meh ... 


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 10:14 AM

Actually, it does take more space and bandwidth.

 

At least 25% or 33% or more, depend of the event's scenes sequence and motions on a screen...

 

Take your drive to Linux PC and check its size. You will know by yourself for sure.

Humm..

 

Is this because compressing on successive progressive picture frames is not as efficient as compressing on successive picture fields which have half the number of lines?

 

As this is the only difference I can see between the two. 


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 10:46 AM

compressing  and I-Frames quantity



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Posted 17 June 2013 - 01:22 PM

I'd fall over if any VOD came in at 1080p.

 

Also, be sure Native is on when checking resolution via the TV info menu.

 

Yes, native is on - I always use that setting. Regarding VOD downloading at 1080p, I could be wrong about that. Perhaps it's 1080i. But there was an option to download at a lower resolution that was 720p that really improved download times for me. I really miss it.


Edited by shendley, 17 June 2013 - 01:23 PM.

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 02:17 PM

Yes, native is on - I always use that setting. Regarding VOD downloading at 1080p, I could be wrong about that. Perhaps it's 1080i. But there was an option to download at a lower resolution that was 720p that really improved download times for me. I really miss it.

I don't believe there's a significant difference in file size between the two formats; somebody will hopefully provide the numbers. 

 

Could it be that the 720p's you downloaded were faster due to internet matters and not the resolution? 


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 07:47 PM

"Internet matter" could be easily checked by "speedtest" from a computer any time


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 09:03 PM

I don't believe there's a significant difference in file size between the two formats; somebody will hopefully provide the numbers. 

 

Could it be that the 720p's you downloaded were faster due to internet matters and not the resolution? 

I guess it could be that, but my internet speed is pretty consistent at a little more than 3 mbps (yes, very slow, indeed). That faster download option really worked for me and brought in a 720p resolution that looked just fine on my 720p set.


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 10:11 PM

Ages ago when 1080p started showing up people did some testings and the % of hard drvie space was about the same, so within 1% of hard drive space for a 1080p vs 1080i as I recall...  I am not going to get into the technical reasons, but that's how it played out as I recall...  And frankly, how it should play out.  1080p is at 24 frames where 1080i is at a higher frame rate too...   it all kind of equals out.






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