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#1 OFFLINE   dpeters11

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 08:09 PM

Don't have time to wait the 20 minutes for a free charge at a Tesla station? How about a 90 second battery swap?

 

http://vimeo.com/68832891#

 

The battery is under the car and weighs about 1000 pounds, the system is completely automated. Elon Musk does say that the owner would need to come back on the return trip and swap the original and now charged battery back in or pay the difference in value, though they didn't say how that would work.



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Posted 21 June 2013 - 08:18 PM

I wish I could buy one of his cars, at least to show support for doing the right thing. and that not only includes the battery, but innovation and by paying the almost $500 million loan years ahead of time!!!!!!!!!!

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#3 OFFLINE   dpeters11

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 08:51 PM

Their plan is to continue to make models cheaper. Their first model cost $109,000 base. I think the model S starts now at $70,000. They want to have a model with a 200 mile range for around $30-$35,000 base price by 2016-2017 with some trickle down tech from the S.



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Posted 21 June 2013 - 11:21 PM

 To determine the battery pack "value", I'm sure the controller that maximizes the power life also records usage metrics.

 

And yup, they are hard at work on the 4th generation of car that will be close to the right price points for many people with a 200 mile range.

 

At the same time, they are building out charging stations so it will be easy to cross the US in 200 mile increments. 

 

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 11:34 PM

Now, having seen the video itself, I'm slightly disappointed. The two battery pack swaps equate to a 400 mile range while the one gasoline fill-up is anywhere from 460 to 690 miles in range. So the time to re-fuel both cars is about the same. Even so, the point is made--this does remove a barrier to using the electric car. :)

 

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 09:36 AM

We've really enjoyed our Leaf . . . just got 18 month checkup (free) with no battery degradation.   2.5 cents per mile and $0 maintenance.  Cheaper if I count electricity from our solar panels.

 

This car has a 85-90 mile range.  It's perfect for everything but long trips.  Driven enough, it would pay for itself in bypassing $40-60 fillups several times a month.

 

A 200-250 mile range in a $30-40k car would hit a sweet spot.  However, the fast charger build out here on the East coast has been slow to non-existant.



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Posted 23 June 2013 - 06:06 AM

Full disclosure - I'm a Tesla stockholder.

 

I'm anxiously awaiting the Gen III car.  That's the one I might actually be able to afford.  With Superchargers (20 minutes and 150 miles of free electricity) going up all over the country, there's very little driving that I or my wife do that wouldn't be "covered".  If her family puts a 220 "dryer style" outlet outside their cottage on Cape Cod, *everything* is covered.  I get the feeling that $35K will get you the 'base' model and that the 300+ mile version with more options will run you around $50K.



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Posted 25 June 2013 - 08:20 AM

I did quite a bit of research on electric cars before I leased my Ford Focus EV. As much as I wanted, the Tesla was too pricey, however, I think they have hit the mark on style and range and drivability. Now with the development of the internal substructure with fast chargers and replaceable batteries, Tesla will continue to grow. If other car manufacturers were smart, they would license Teslas battery system and develop EVs around that. I really like my Ford Focus, but it's clear the EV part is an afterthought in the design, a retrofit if you will.

 

Why can't companies find winning solutions and use them rather than continuing to pour money into R&D which often never develops anything better?



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Posted 25 June 2013 - 08:26 AM

I know Tesla has worked with Daimler in the past, not sure if that is still happening.



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Posted 25 June 2013 - 10:55 AM

This sort of reminds me of the early days of Mazda. They took the concept of the rotary (Wankel) engine, and built an entire line of cars around it. Unfortunately, they coudn't improve gas mileage on them, and blowing the seals at the 100,000 mile mark turned out to be an expensive proposition. So now there is not a single rotary engine car in their lineup.

 

One hopes Tesla can overcome the charging problem. A 200 mile range would be sufficient for most Americans if it could be counted on to be able recharged in a reasonable time within 200 miles no matter where you start.

 

So what is a "reasonable time"? Two hours is too long. 20 minutes is getting close, I think 5-10 minutes would be better.


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Posted 25 June 2013 - 03:48 PM

It's a shame people don't get this excited over domestic CNG, cut out the middle man and the defeatist carrier device...


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Posted 25 June 2013 - 04:31 PM

CNG is great for fleets that can refill at fast stations, or trucks that could have fast refills at selected truck stops.  But it's still too slow for a refill at home from your NG line.  And the tanks eat up all the trunk space.



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Posted 26 June 2013 - 04:27 AM

Tesla sells "drivetrains", if you can still call battery packs and motors that, to both Daimler and Toyota.  Toyota uses them for their RAV4-EV.



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Posted 26 June 2013 - 08:09 AM

Full disclosure - I'm a Tesla stockholder.

 

I'm anxiously awaiting the Gen III car.  That's the one I might actually be able to afford.  With Superchargers (20 minutes and 150 miles of free electricity) going up all over the country, there's very little driving that I or my wife do that wouldn't be "covered".  If her family puts a 220 "dryer style" outlet outside their cottage on Cape Cod, *everything* is covered.  I get the feeling that $35K will get you the 'base' model and that the 300+ mile version with more options will run you around $50K.

The Gen III car and everything preceding it are the typical examples of new technology being high price followed by cost efficient versions. I think Tesla has been doing an excellent job of building solutions one step at a time. And by building total solutions, not just cars (with chargers.) 

 

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 08:52 AM

my friend is test driving a Tesla next month (you have to schedule it).

 

I really hope he ends up buying one so I can try it out.

 

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 06:27 PM

if I got one, I'd charge it at work :)


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Posted 27 June 2013 - 11:10 PM

if I got one, I'd charge it at work :)

If I got one, I'd charge it at work too. Since I work at home... :)


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Posted 28 June 2013 - 07:20 AM

If I got one, I'd charge it at work too. Since I work at home... :)


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