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#26 OFFLINE   Maruuk

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 03:40 AM

Love sci-fi and was hopeful on this. But the flagrant yet weak Bladerunner ripoff vibe, the stupifyingly generic bad guys, the bland dialog and obvious, derivative robot gags just got to be too much. Minka Kelly is gorgeous, but she was the only character on FNL that couldn't act, and she still can't. Can't see this escaping the early hook.



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Posted 20 November 2013 - 11:53 AM

Just to be picky -- I agree that 2048 is far fetched. Cars don't look that futuristic. Segway seems out of place. Weapons appear dated. The producers did fairly well with Fringe, but I think this is a work in progress. I'll continue to watch it, but expect improvement or the show is doomed to a short run.


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Posted 20 November 2013 - 12:35 PM

Just to be picky -- I agree that 2048 is far fetched. Cars don't look that futuristic. Segway seems out of place. Weapons appear dated. The producers did fairly well with Fringe, but I think this is a work in progress. I'll continue to watch it, but expect improvement or the show is doomed to a short run.


Actually 2048 looks like what I expected 1998 to look like back in 1958. Still looking forward to my flying car and trip to Mars for vacation. :)

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 03:26 PM

I watched both episodes last night and also couldn't help but think that the costs would quickly get out of hand leading to the series getting canned. But I've come to accept that the shows I enjoy usually don't make it past the first or second season. 


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 04:57 AM

Actually, the second ep wasn't half bad. Much better writing. The running gags between the partners started to pay off, the characters were working much better, much better crime premise. Though Minka Kelly still has just once expression: that simpy little perma-smile, even in the middle of a crisis.



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Posted 21 November 2013 - 06:28 AM

Watched both episodes now and will continue to record the show, I liked it the way is flows.


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 09:29 AM


Though Minka Kelly still has just once expression: that simpy little perma-smile, even in the middle of a crisis.


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 02:47 PM

Yeah, she can perma-smile all she wants if its directed towards me.

 

I would like to dial down into one narrow aspect of the show, which is the Skynet paranoia of computers taking over. We have had this fear, sometimes irrational, and lately not irrational at all, since the 50's when automation appeared in factories in a big way. I often joke to my friends "the machines have won", because there are often moments when it seems as if they have.

 

And it really is not a joke, more gallows humor. AH taps into that in a serious big way. The emotionless MX's represent that pretty handily. And the irony of the DRN model being "too human-like" and therefore replaced by cipher-like cyborgs is really biting social commentary on that whole subject.

 

So that may be a running theme that can be a touchstone for the series. I know that idea resonates with me pretty loudly, as I work in an industry that has recently bet on technology as their future and has cut a lot of jobs now done by computers and even robots (and left us Engineers to create and install and maintain those systems).They shouldn't hit us over the head with it, but the idea that the future can and will be both utopian and dystopian at the same time is something to run with, especially since much of that future is already here.


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 03:23 PM

Well I watched the first two eps just to see if it was going to worth keeping a timer set up for it. Well it was ok, I really liked the two main characters and their interaction, that part seems to work really well. As for the rest well I'm willing to see how it develops. I'll keep recording it, not sure when I'll get around to watching, it might be one of those that I let build up for a few eps and then watch them all back to back to get a better feel for it.




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Posted 21 November 2013 - 07:35 PM

That's a good plan, most likely.

 

I am not sure why binge-watching seems so odd to me. It just never has suited me; the closest I ever came was 3 eps of NYPD Blue in a row, probably 18 years ago. I finally got the entire 62 eps of Breaking Bad in the marathon last month, but I have only seen 13 of them so far. At this rate they will last until 2015 or beyond (assuming the DVR lasts that long). I also have moods; I'll watch Justified nearly every week, never getting more than two eps behind, and then I'll let the last 5 eps of a season pile up and not touch them for nearly a year. No idea why.

 

But binge watching, now that it is available due to marathons, DVRs with large HDDs, and entire seasons released at once on Netflix, should be normal. After all, who reads one chapter of a dozen books before reading the next chapter, which is analogous to how I watch TV? Nobody has 14 current books sitting there with bookmarkers half-way through.

 

We normally read one book all the way through before starting another. Some people actually eat that way; all the potatoes, all the vegetables, then the main entree. That is even crazier than how I watch TV.


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Posted 22 November 2013 - 12:01 PM

Actually 2048 looks like what I expected 1998 to look like back in 1958. Still looking forward to my flying car and trip to Mars for vacation. :)

 

I wonder how many years Popular Science has spent predicting flying cars.  Does PS still exist?  Would you be able to text and fly at the same time?  I guess you'd get a FUI if you drank while flying.    

 

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 12:02 PM

Briefly put:  I like this show.  Hope it does well.  

 

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 03:13 PM

Briefly put:  I like this show.  Hope it does well.  

 

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After watching the first two, I'm encouraged and am hoping it does well also. There's definitely room for it to grow and I hope it does.




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Posted 22 November 2013 - 04:21 PM

That's a good plan, most likely.

 

I am not sure why binge-watching seems so odd to me. It just never has suited me; the closest I ever came was 3 eps of NYPD Blue in a row, probably 18 years ago. I finally got the entire 62 eps of Breaking Bad in the marathon last month, but I have only seen 13 of them so far. At this rate they will last until 2015 or beyond (assuming the DVR lasts that long). I also have moods; I'll watch Justified nearly every week, never getting more than two eps behind, and then I'll let the last 5 eps of a season pile up and not touch them for nearly a year. No idea why.

 

But binge watching, now that it is available due to marathons, DVRs with large HDDs, and entire seasons released at once on Netflix, should be normal. After all, who reads one chapter of a dozen books before reading the next chapter, which is analogous to how I watch TV? Nobody has 14 current books sitting there with bookmarkers half-way through.

 

We normally read one book all the way through before starting another. Some people actually eat that way; all the potatoes, all the vegetables, then the main entree. That is even crazier than how I watch TV.

 

I happened to mention to my doctor several years ago that I was reading nine books currently.  Turned out I had a pretty bad problem with caffeine, especially Pepsi One (or Pepsi 1, I dunno) which, while low on calories was loaded with caffeine and was the reason my mind was so active I couldn't sleep.  

 

I'd much rather binge watch than wait for weeks and try to remember what happened way back then.  I recently watched the complete Breaking Bad series from start to finish.   Didn't take that long and I never lost track of what was going on.

 

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 06:53 PM

I'd much rather binge watch than wait for weeks and try to remember what happened way back then.  I recently watched the complete Breaking Bad series from start to finish.   Didn't take that long and I never lost track of what was going on.

 

I don't think I could do that. Without commercials that's something like 48 hours of video.


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Posted 22 November 2013 - 07:22 PM

I don't think I could do that. Without commercials that's something like 48 hours of video.

 

Been doing it since the middle '80s.  Nothing new for us.

 

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 07:41 PM

We're doing the Breaking Bad marathon thing right now, but just 2-3 hours at a sitting. After that it gets to be overkill. These new D* drives sucked up every single ep during the finale marathon without breaking a sweat.

 

Tom, I agree, some of these new running gags between the partners that surfaced in ep 2 are kinda fun, the thing about kids and the testicle analysis and the Minka attraction gag. I swear they got new and much better writers after the pilot, something that is likely anyways, pilots are written way early in the game.

 

Still, I wish they had less of these idiotic Quinn Martin-style gunfights. They were lame in 1961!



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 10:21 PM

THAT'S where he came from. . . Been wondering where I had seen him before. I actually liked that show and it was the again the relationship between the characters that made it work.

 

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 10:24 PM

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 11:04 PM

Finally had a chance to watch the pilot and it somewhat struck me as a semi-futuristic "Walker, Texas Ranger," which (in addition to being one great pun) is a good thing. It's been added to my Series Link list.


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Posted 23 November 2013 - 01:17 PM

If you really want to see Micheal Ealy, try to find Sleeper Cell, that was a great Showtime series form a few years ago.


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Posted 26 November 2013 - 03:48 AM

Right back to a real dud tonight. Science fiction must have at its core premise a science-related plot dynamic. Or it isn't science fiction. Tonight could have been literally any cop show from the last 40 years with a couple of tech gee-gaws tossed in for chuckles. But there was nothing "sci-fi" about the core plot. Old as the hills. And just as worn down.

 

The producers seem to think that all you have to do to recycle every old cop show plot successfully is stick a robot in for the human partner and put us in a poor man's Bladerunner set, complete with quasi-Vangelis score. Instant fresh and entertaining buddy pic. Bzzt. Wrong. The audience ain't that dumb. Quinn Martin wrote this plotline in 1959, and regurgitated it over and over ad nauseam across TV's blandest and least inspired era on blurry little black & white screens. I only hope they sent a royalty check to his estate.


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Posted 27 November 2013 - 07:55 PM

It did sort of seem like we were watching the guys climb 25 flights of stairs for the whole ep. And every single hostage situation on (every ep of) Flashpoint was handled more compellingly, and with added layers. This was just a straight hostage sitch. NBC has already proven how hanging your hat on just that might not be the best premise.

 

I kind of like the score, actually. It seems fresh to me.

 

Both leads are good but Michael Ealy seems to be a standout. He is really nailing that "almost-human" aspect of being a robot programmed that way. Sure, you need good writing for that, but ME seems to be bringing it home pretty skillfully.

 

I would cut them a break on originality; I think we recently had that discussion here anyway and the consensus was that originality is rare. After all, Star Trek (which came out before the TV and movie world had rehashed everything a million times) was mostly fistfights and running gun battles, and women being regarded primarily as sex objects. Granted, it was the vision, and the relationship between the three main characters that made it a classic, but the milieu they were in was pretty stale and derivative, even for an early stab at sci-fi.

 

I think AH has an actual opportunity to be a real iconic top-shelf show, like X-Files, or BuffyTVS, but so far they have not come even close to that level, although I really like the show and am probably all in unless it fades creatively.


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Posted 28 November 2013 - 02:21 AM

Agree on Ealy, he's doing a good job with what he's been handed. But couldn't disagree more about STOS. It was steeped in the classic 50's TV moral message premise which always elevated the silly fistfights with lizards and backlot trips to Hitlerville. Twilight Zone had it, even Outer Limits. The Big Message always shook out like a toy in a cereal box. The Kirk/Spock wrapup had it, Serling's VO had it, and even the Outer Limits VO guy delivered it. You always had to have a higher level meaning working all the time.

 

But not in shows like AH. The moral is...we killed the bad guys. Cut to 14 commercials. Cheapshot snark about testicles is not a higher level. What's next, the robot-doesn't-poop jokes? Inter-racial-inter-mechanical sex with Minka? Will she pop out Teddy Ruxpin 9 mos. later?


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Posted 28 November 2013 - 06:21 PM

FIrst, this is a big net prime show, so it has fewer commercials than most shows on TV, and certainly not any more than any other big net prime show.

 

SInce it is 60 years later (not to mention the extra 35 years tacked on by AH) I'm not sure we need a moral to be entertained. X-Files and BuffyTVS did not have them, and they ran 13 years between the two of them. Tribbles were about as far from "higher-level" as you could get (still the worst ep because everyone was out of character), and lines like "I am not a merry man!" from STNG (as amusing as that was) weren't exactly Materpiece Theatre.

 

While I find your nod to the fact that 50's TV was somewhat curiously hamstrung by moral messages, something we forget, let's hold AH to the standards of today, not the day of our grandparents.

 

Is it at the level of The Black List, or Scandal, or Justified? Not hardly. Is it better than 80% of all shows on the air today? Absolutely.


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