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Dish vs Media General 6/30 deadline extended to 9/30... Now what?


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#26 OFFLINE   Daggett

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 10:19 PM

The one or two shows I watch on NBC can easily be seen OTA. I hope Dish really creams them.



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Posted 02 October 2013 - 05:12 AM

Yeah, I too forgot to mention that I currently watch very few show on NBC.  I was looking at my timers just yesterday to see what I'll need to manually program.  One show.

 

Also, I typically take the provider side of things.  If the provider has to pay a lot more, we pay more.  If the provider pays less, we pay less.  It's as simple as that to me.  My bill goes up and up when my programming doesn't change.  I'm OK with it from an inflation perspective but not from a greed perspective.


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Posted 02 October 2013 - 04:09 PM

Doesn't your TV have a built in OTA ATSC tuner ?

Yes but it does not have DVR capability so that I can record programs when I am not home to watch them.



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Posted 03 October 2013 - 09:40 PM

Things on my local "Don't drop WNCN" Web site that are screwy...

 

"4. Does DISH Network pay to acquire other channels?

 
Based on publicly available information, all cable and satellite companies, including DISH Network, pay the owners of most channels that they carry, even those with few or no viewers. We understand that companies such as DISH Network pay substantial fees per month for the right to carry ESPN, TNT, Disney Channel, and others.  These channels have NO local programming, NO local employees, NO local investments, and far fewer viewers than WNCN."
 
So...  let me take that last sentence one part at a time...
 
ESPN has "no local programming"?  Well, they do sometimes... when they televise local sporting events.
"No local employees"?  Well, they do sometimes... when they are in the area televising local sporting events.
"No local investments"?  Perhaps.  I don't know how things work with the camera assets and how much of that stays in the area when they leave.
 
But the last one is a kicker...
 
"far far viewers than WNCN"?  Ok, WNCN is an NBC affiliate...  last I looked NBC was in last place... and I daresay ESPN has more regular viewers than our local NBC affiliate!
 
"5. Won't my rates go up if DISH Network has to pay WNCN for its signal?
 
Whether rates go up depends on decisions made by DISH Network. Like all cable and satellite companies, DISH Network is already charging you to receive WNCN as part of your monthly satellite bill.  In fact, over the past two years, DISH Network has made a profit of more than $2.1 billion on combined revenue of more than $28 billion.  DISH Network could simply re-allocate the fees its pays among those channels that the public really wants to watch. Thus, DISH Network could pay less for, or refuse to carry altogether, channels that its customers don't value nearly as highly as they value WNCN. In any event, we do not control how much DISH Network pays others, how much it charges you, or how it manages its business. We are simply requesting that DISH Network pay a fair market price for our signal, just as DISH's competitors do.  We have and will continue to negotiate with DISH Network in good faith in an effort to successfully complete a deal with them."

 

Interesting... so, by Media General's own statistics, Dish makes less than 10% profit margin on their revenue.  That doesn't pain Dish as a greedy corporation does it?  7.5% profit margin is pretty darn slim isn't it?  And if Media General truly is looking for 3-4 times their current rates (as Dish has proclaimed) wouldn't Media General be the one trying to grab for profits here?

 

And... in their own "what to do" scenario, they are actually saying Dish should cut funds to less popular channels!  Which is likely what they are doing in the case of Media General :)  Just giving them what they ask for... stopping paying channels that are less popular :)

 

"7. If DISH Network stops carrying WNCN, will I get a refund on my satellite bill?

 
It is up to DISH Network to determine whether they will give you a refund or credit. You should contact DISH to let them know that you will be unhappy if you have to pay for a service you are no longer receiving. The best thing DISH subscribers can do to get our channel back is to call DISH and tell them to stop their DISHruption! Tell DISH you are not getting what you are paying for.  DISH is offering some customers rebates of $5 a month AND MORE, so be sure to ask for yours.  Contact DISH at 1-888-389-1496 and make your voice heard."
 
Now this one made me laugh...  So...  they are telling you to call Dish and get your $5 discount for not having this channel...  kinda says to me that I should be happy if Dish dropped WNCN, doesn't it?  I lose my last-place NBC affiliate AND can get my bill lowered by $5?  And even better...  Dish is willing to give me a $5 discount than to pay whatever WNCN wants... doesn't that imply that WNCN is "worth" $5 per month?  And is that really what they are asking to be paid?  I don't know... but if you read between the lines, it sure as heck sounds like they want you to think their channel is worth that!

 


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Posted 04 October 2013 - 03:35 PM

Media General: "In fact, over the past two years, DISH Network has made a profit of more than $2.1 billion on combined revenue of more than $28 billion."


Over the past two years? Wow ... talk about inflating figures. The last reported quarter DISH lost $11 million. 3rd Quarter 2012 DISH lost $158 million. The other two quarters were decent but in the past four reported quarters DISH cleared $255 million ... on ~14 million customers ... roughly $1.52 per customer per month.

A profit of $1.52 per month per customer doesn't sound good, so Media General has to pad it by going back TWO years ... which is actually a total of $1.483 billion for the past eight reported quarters. Quick ... pad some more by using 2011 and 2012 figures only. :rolleyes:

On an average revenue of $80.90 per month $1.52 profit is 1.9%. Not much.
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Posted 04 October 2013 - 03:37 PM

Media General Stations To Go Back on DISH to Provide Tropical Storm Karen Coverage

RICHMOND, Va., Oct. 4, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Media General today announced that in order to provide the company's local television station viewers with important information about Tropical Storm Karen it has asked DISH Network to restore a number of its stations to the satellite service.

"Providing our viewers with important weather and safety information during storms is an integral part of our responsibility to our local communities," said George L. Mahoney, president and chief executive of Media General. "We will continue to do everything we can to reach a fair resolution with DISH on our retransmission consent agreement that has expired and have our programming permanently restored to the DISH satellite system as soon as possible. We look forward to continuing the conversation with DISH."

The following stations will be back on DISH for the specified periods of time:

Saturday, October 5 at 6:00 AM until Monday, October 7 at 12:01 AM

WJTV / Jackson, Miss.

WHLT / Hattiesburg, Miss.

WKRG / Mobile, Ala.

WVTM / Birmingham, Ala.

As is the case with all extreme weather events, Media General stations also keep people informed on their television station websites as well.

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 05:47 PM

They haven't been keeping up with Karen, have they?

 

If it doesn't die out, it may not go anywhere near MS, at least not as any kind of threatening system.


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Posted 04 October 2013 - 08:43 PM

Over the past two years? Wow ... talk about inflating figures. The last reported quarter DISH lost $11 million. 3rd Quarter 2012 DISH lost $158 million. The other two quarters were decent but in the past four reported quarters DISH cleared $255 million ... on ~14 million customers ... roughly $1.52 per customer per month.

A profit of $1.52 per month per customer doesn't sound good, so Media General has to pad it by going back TWO years ... which is actually a total of $1.483 billion for the past eight reported quarters. Quick ... pad some more by using 2011 and 2012 figures only. :rolleyes:

On an average revenue of $80.90 per month $1.52 profit is 1.9%. Not much.

I thought I remembered worse numbers for Dish...  but even the "unicorns and rainbows" that were in what I quoted doesn't make it sound like Dish is stealing our wallets and running off to Bermuda or anything for a hot vacation!


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Posted 05 October 2013 - 07:29 AM

I thought I remembered worse numbers for Dish...  but even the "unicorns and rainbows" that were in what I quoted doesn't make it sound like Dish is stealing our wallets and running off to Bermuda or anything for a hot vacation!

2011 was DISH's best year ever for profit. The only other time they cleared a billion in a single year was 2005. Through the end of 2012 DISH has made $4.8 billion over 18 years ($269 million per year average).
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Posted 05 October 2013 - 12:41 PM

Yeah...  whatever else we can (and often do) say bad about Dish... it is kind of hard to talk about them being greedy to the point of lining their pockets with gold.


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Posted 08 October 2013 - 04:39 PM

Dish replaced WCMH with WGN here. Turning up the heat a little I guess.



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Posted 08 October 2013 - 07:42 PM

yes, dish replaced wspa with wgn in south Carolina, called them when i found out. rep said they were working on our area now to get the station back up. gave me showtime, starz and epix plus blockbuster home for free for 3 months for my inconvenience.



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Posted 08 October 2013 - 07:45 PM

Since my Media General station is an NBC affiliate, I've been able to catch the couple of NBC programs I want to see via a manual timer and then watch Sunday Night Football live all on OTA...  it would be a little more difficult if this were a FOX or CBS station... but since its NBC I honestly barely notice the channel being gone.


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Posted 08 October 2013 - 09:06 PM

unfortunately ours is CBS and cw here, major inconvenience. If they don't agree soon i will cancel dish and go elsewhere. Where we live antenna's are not an option here up in the mountain area.Most of what we watch is on cbs, i can pull the shows from my computer from the cbs website, but that is getting old quick.



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 02:04 PM

Media General has stepped up the negative talk lately... with some local radio spots... which strikes me as interesting. I mean, do you really need a radio spot to know if a TV channel is gone?  Think about that for a second...  IF I hadn't noticed my local channel was gone from Dish by watching TV...  and I hear about it while listening to the radio... that kind of means I wasn't that concerned about it.

 

So...  Dish will pay us $5 to not have the channel... and the channel owners will pay for radio spots to bash Dish rather than negotiate.

 

I think what is most telling is probably that the current Media General owners will not be in charge of things once their merger goes through... which is likely what Dish is waiting for... since they already have a deal with those new owners for other channels.  Hard to blame Dish for not wanting to bend to extortion from the old guard that is on the way out.


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Posted 19 October 2013 - 11:52 AM

I am in Greenville, SC and every day in the paper since this started, Dish has run a full page ad saying how the local station was more interested in money than its viewers, etc. I didn't notice the ad today. I wonder if that means Dish is tired of paying for it or if it has suddenly been settled. Since I have not seen anything here, I am assuming that Dish didn't feel like paying for the add and more. This is coming up on 3 weeks now.



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Posted 19 October 2013 - 08:36 PM

I noticed something similar but opposite recently...  my local WNCN had a "don't drop WNCN" Web site that disappeared within the last week at some point... so I don't know if that means an agreement is coming OR they too got tired of maintaining that site.


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Posted 19 October 2013 - 10:55 PM

Not settled ... DISH is asking the FCC for help.

DISH Calls on FCC to Intervene as Media General Prolongs Blackout
(October 18th)

ENGLEWOOD, Colo.--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- Today, DISH Network L.L.C. ("DISH") filed a complaint against Media General, requesting that the Federal Communications Commission immediately require Media General to negotiate in good faith to resolve a blackout that began Oct. 1.

In the Complaint, DISH explains how Media General has breached its statutory duty to negotiate in good faith: "Media General's conduct violates the Commission's rules requiring good faith negotiation for retransmission consent rights, because, among other things, Media General failed to respond for 11 days to DISH's last pre-blackout offer."

Media General blocked programming from DISH customers in 17 markets after a retransmission contract expired.

"DISH customers and Media General viewers were without their shows and events for 11 days before Media General would even contact us," said Dave Shull, DISH executive vice president. "We reacted with a counter offer within hours and Media General has yet to respond. DISH is asking the FCC to act expeditiously to address Media General's bad faith, push them back to the negotiating table and submit to mediation to get programming back to consumers."

In negotiations prior to Media General's takedown, the Richmond, Va.-based broadcaster rejected DISH's offer to match the rates paid by primary pay-TV competitors, and additionally declined to receive the same rates DISH pays to other area broadcasters.

Media General has also tried to force DISH to renegotiate its completely separate deal with Young Broadcasting. Media General is making this improper demand as it awaits its proposed acquisition by Young Broadcasting, currently under FCC regulatory review.

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 09:56 AM

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Posted 21 October 2013 - 06:38 AM

Media General Issues Statement Regarding FCC Complaint Filed by DISH Network
 
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RICHMOND, Va., Oct. 18, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Media General issued the following statement regarding the retransmission complaint filed with the FCC today by DISH Network:  
 
This is the first time in the history of our company that Media General has failed to reach an agreement with a cable operator or satellite carrier. DISH, in contrast, has been involved in 32 take-down disputes with local broadcasters in the past three years alone, affecting more than 120 local television stations. DISH is currently involved in two other take-downs, in addition to its dispute with Media General.
 

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Posted 21 October 2013 - 11:12 AM

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Posted 21 October 2013 - 05:58 PM

2011 was DISH's best year ever for profit. The only other time they cleared a billion in a single year was 2005. Through the end of 2012 DISH has made $4.8 billion over 18 years ($269 million per year average).

Was that before or after Charlies Billion dollar pay checks?

$269 Mill is a good net profit since that's AFTER all the employees were paid.

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Posted 21 October 2013 - 08:42 PM

Was that before or after Charlies Billion dollar pay checks?

$269 Mill is a good net profit since that's AFTER all the employees were paid.

When has Charlie ever gotten a "billion dollar" paycheck?

 

Also... how is $269 million a year a good average profit for a company taking in the gross that Dish takes in?

 

I'll just take a stab at math...  I don't have all the data for that same 18-year period that was used to calculate the $269 average profit...  but for the last 5 years or so, the average gross revenue was around 4 billion.  I suspect their 18 year average gross revenue is lower than that... but lets just use that for fun.

 

$269 million profit on $4 billion gross revenue is only 6.725% profit margin.

 

You think that's good for a multi-billion dollar company?


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 12:06 AM

$269 Mill is a good net profit since that's AFTER all the employees were paid.


Profit isn't bad ... but the point is that Media General's inflated claims need to be read appropriately. DISH is surviving and reinvesting profits into their current and future businesses. They are not making a lot of money on each subscriber (only $3.77 per subscriber per month in 2012 - or 4.8% of the average monthly bill). DISH isn't averaging $2-$3 billion profit per year and making $17 per month per subscriber (17.7% of the average monthly bill).

I would not mind seeing DISH be more profitable but since they get their money from me I'd rather have the lower subscription rates. :)

$269 million is good ... but it doesn't put DISH in the position to say yes to every big demand that little companies like Media General makes.
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Posted 22 October 2013 - 01:17 PM

Well the Dish full page ads about the local media general station are back so I guess we are still going strong with no settlement in sight.






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