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Dish vs Media General 6/30 deadline extended to 9/30... Now what?


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#51 OFFLINE   damondlt

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 06:04 PM

When has Charlie ever gotten a "billion dollar" paycheck?
 
Also... how is $269 million a year a good average profit for a company taking in the gross that Dish takes in?
 
I'll just take a stab at math...  I don't have all the data for that same 18-year period that was used to calculate the $269 average profit...  but for the last 5 years or so, the average gross revenue was around 4 billion.  I suspect their 18 year average gross revenue is lower than that... but lets just use that for fun.
 
$269 million profit on $4 billion gross revenue is only 6.725% profit margin.
 
You think that's good for a multi-billion dollar company?

Really? if my company brought in a net profit of 270 million a year, yea I would say that's good.
Gross means nothing, and again everyone is paid including Charlie, and the company still has 270 million a year left?
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Posted 22 October 2013 - 06:06 PM

I would not mind seeing DISH be more profitable but since they get their money from me I'd rather have the lower subscription rates. :)

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 06:09 PM


$269 million is good ... but it doesn't put DISH in the position to say yes to every big demand that little companies like Media General makes.

Never said it did.

 

But I also don't get my rocks of watching Dish or Directv, raking in that kind of money, and crying poverty.


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 06:54 PM

Never said it did.


It isn't all about you ... it is about the thread. You know, the dispute between DISH and Media General? Media General noted how much DISH made over the past two years (going two years to give them a much bigger number than one and to include more profitable quarters than the current ones). Companies worth multiple billions should make multiple millions in profits ... or they can go the way of Media General and go out of business.

This is one last hurrah for Media General. One last attempt at victory before they cease to exist.
 

But I also don't get my rocks of watching Dish or Directv, raking in that kind of money, and crying poverty.


DISH isn't crying poverty ... they are promoting responsibility. DirecTV is doing the same in their disputes. And since at the end of the day they are spending our money I'm not going to complain too much.

Media General collected $5 million in operating income and had a net loss of $16 million in the 2nd quarter. Should they claim poverty? They are still worth $682 million.
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Posted 23 October 2013 - 01:56 PM

Really? if my company brought in a net profit of 270 million a year, yea I would say that's good.
Gross means nothing, and again everyone is paid including Charlie, and the company still has 270 million a year left?
Wow better close up shop fast!

I'll try this one last time.

 

IF you had to spend $95 to get $100 would you consider that  "good"?

 

IF you had to spend $95,000 to get back $100,000 would you consider that "good"?

 

It wasn't that long ago that you could earn 5% in a savings account.... so most businesses would definitely NOT be aiming for 6-7% profitability!

 

Yeah, you'd rather make money than lose money... but if you have to spend 95% of what you make, then that isn't a great profitable business... and certainly not one that just has money to throw around at any and every company that wants to raise your rates.


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Posted 23 October 2013 - 06:51 PM

 

 

IF you had to spend $95,000 to get back $100,000 would you consider that "good"?

 

 

Yes I would


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Posted 23 October 2013 - 08:06 PM

Yes I would

So...  you would give your $95,000 away and couldn't use it for a year just to get $100,000 back at the end of that year?

 

That's what you're saying is "good" for a company...  nobody considers <10% return on investment a good investment for a company.  It's one thing if you do it with a personal savings account...  think about investing in a multi-year-CD or something where you can't touch that money for 5-10-20 years and then only get 10% return or less...  those are not good investments unless it is purely extra money that you wouldn't do anything with in the meantime.

 

At this point I can't believe you are being realistic, it sounds like you are just being contrary to be contrary.  Dish is FAR from a perfect company...  but they are by all accounts operating on the slimmest of profit margins for a company of their size.


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Posted 23 October 2013 - 10:18 PM

Considering the state of the economy, 6.725% is not bad at all.

 

Solyndra would have loved to have those numbers.


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 05:17 AM

For those of us that can get the local OTA it would nice to have guide information.  To me that's that's the most frustrating thing about this entire, infantile contest of wills.  Since I went through the hassle of putting a good antenna in my attic it would be nice if Dish could provide a guide at the very least for network shows.

 

It's aggravating that for me, satellite ch 4 is out.  OK, fine.  But OTA ch 4.1 comes in just fine but I have no guide for that channel.  But of course OTA 4.2 that airs reruns of old shows does have guide information!  Why?!  So I can see that MASH is coming on at 8:00 on 4.2 but I'm not allowed to see anything for 4.1?


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 02:15 PM

Considering the state of the economy, 6.725% is not bad at all.

 

Solyndra would have loved to have those numbers.

 

OF course... but that wasn't the point I was making.  Obviously some profit is better than no profit and both are better than losing money.

 

BUT... this branch of the conversation started by noting how Media General was painting Dish as some mega-profitable conglomerate who could afford to pay whatever Media General wants...  The facts don't bear that out.  The facts support that Dish is a company that barely makes a profit and can't afford to just take whatever Media General or any other company wants to demand as pay for their channels.


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Posted 25 October 2013 - 06:09 AM

Update: CBS to stream Alabama-Tennessee game as Media General-DISH Network dispute continues
 
Saturday’s Alabama-Tennessee matchup might not pack the wallop of rivalry games past, but there remains plenty of off-field drama for some fans.
 
Due to an unresolved contract dispute, DISH Network subscribers in eight markets – including WKRG in Mobile and WJHL in Tennessee’s Tri-Cities area that includes Kingsport, Johnson City, and Bristol – will not find the game among CBS’ regularly scheduled programming because the stations are currently unavailable.
 
For the second consecutive week, however, Media General has negotiated alternative broadcast options for affected CBS viewers in danger of missing Saturday’s 2:30 p.m. kickoff, pitting the unranked Volunteers against the No. 1-ranked Crimson Tide.
 
 
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Posted 25 October 2013 - 08:49 AM

The only news is the streams will be offered on the stations' websites. CBS has streamed SEC football throughout the season.

 

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Posted 12 November 2013 - 06:48 AM

Bump!

 

So where does all of this now stand?  I haven't heard an update for weeks.  Again, it would nice and barely an issue (for me) if the guide still contained information for OTA...


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Posted 12 November 2013 - 10:48 AM

Bump!

 

So where does all of this now stand?  I haven't heard an update for weeks.  Again, it would nice and barely an issue (for me) if the guide still contained information for OTA...

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I understand you’re upset. I don’t have any additional information for about the status of our negotiations with Media General, who owns your local station. DISH will update www.dishvaluepledge.com with more information as it becomes available.

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Posted 16 November 2013 - 05:33 PM

Hey - check your EPG - I have my Media General station (WNCN NBC17) in Raleigh back.

 

However - the mapdown on my 311 receiver is not working yet - maybe a reboot / check dish will fix it


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Posted 16 November 2013 - 05:54 PM

I saw that... back in HD and EPG partially there... probably will not be fully back until after tonight's off-cycle...  I am seeing some news around the internet now too saying a deal was reached.

 

Funny how it has only been a few days since the merger of Media General and Young (I think it was Young) and now we have an agreement and channels back... just like Dish had been saying all along, that Media General was playing unnecessary hardball knowing the people in charge at Media General were not going to be in charge after the merger completed this week.


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Posted 16 November 2013 - 08:00 PM

I confirm that Media General station WJTV CBS in Jackson, MS is back on the air at 012-00.  Some program details in the guide are missing, but I have CBS back again.  Awesome! 

 

Now if Dish Network will add 12.2 CW in 720P to the locals.  They haven't dropped 34 yet, which flipped to Trinity last May.  My theory is that they have been holding that spot to use for CW.  Time will tell.



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Posted 16 November 2013 - 09:00 PM

Funny how it has only been a few days since the merger of Media General and Young (I think it was Young) and now we have an agreement and channels back...


DISH has an agreement with Young ... they wanted Media General to extend their agreement until Young's agreement took effect but Media General wanted to play rough. With the merger complete the channels are now Young channels and can be carried under Young's agreement with DISH.

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 10:50 AM

Do we get any sub channels from this deal??


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 03:55 PM

all channels are back guys :smoking:

 

dish and media generals reach an agreement already



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Posted 18 November 2013 - 10:41 AM

Watch your local news personalities disappear. Ten years ago when Young Broadcasting fired  most of the newscasters lost their jobs. KRON lost NBC affiliation. Now KRON has lots of infomercials.


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