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Dish vs Media General 6/30 deadline extended to 9/30... Now what?


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#41 OFFLINE   hasbeen29650

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Posted 19 October 2013 - 11:52 AM

I am in Greenville, SC and every day in the paper since this started, Dish has run a full page ad saying how the local station was more interested in money than its viewers, etc. I didn't notice the ad today. I wonder if that means Dish is tired of paying for it or if it has suddenly been settled. Since I have not seen anything here, I am assuming that Dish didn't feel like paying for the add and more. This is coming up on 3 weeks now.



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Posted 19 October 2013 - 08:36 PM

I noticed something similar but opposite recently...  my local WNCN had a "don't drop WNCN" Web site that disappeared within the last week at some point... so I don't know if that means an agreement is coming OR they too got tired of maintaining that site.


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Posted 19 October 2013 - 10:55 PM

Not settled ... DISH is asking the FCC for help.

DISH Calls on FCC to Intervene as Media General Prolongs Blackout
(October 18th)

ENGLEWOOD, Colo.--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- Today, DISH Network L.L.C. ("DISH") filed a complaint against Media General, requesting that the Federal Communications Commission immediately require Media General to negotiate in good faith to resolve a blackout that began Oct. 1.

In the Complaint, DISH explains how Media General has breached its statutory duty to negotiate in good faith: "Media General's conduct violates the Commission's rules requiring good faith negotiation for retransmission consent rights, because, among other things, Media General failed to respond for 11 days to DISH's last pre-blackout offer."

Media General blocked programming from DISH customers in 17 markets after a retransmission contract expired.

"DISH customers and Media General viewers were without their shows and events for 11 days before Media General would even contact us," said Dave Shull, DISH executive vice president. "We reacted with a counter offer within hours and Media General has yet to respond. DISH is asking the FCC to act expeditiously to address Media General's bad faith, push them back to the negotiating table and submit to mediation to get programming back to consumers."

In negotiations prior to Media General's takedown, the Richmond, Va.-based broadcaster rejected DISH's offer to match the rates paid by primary pay-TV competitors, and additionally declined to receive the same rates DISH pays to other area broadcasters.

Media General has also tried to force DISH to renegotiate its completely separate deal with Young Broadcasting. Media General is making this improper demand as it awaits its proposed acquisition by Young Broadcasting, currently under FCC regulatory review.

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To learn more about DISH's negotiations with Media General, visit www.DISHValuePledge.com.

To read DISH's Retransmission Complaint to the FCC, visit the following:
http://about.dish.co...t-media-general
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Posted 20 October 2013 - 09:56 AM

Young Broadcasting is ten times worse as Media General.


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Posted 21 October 2013 - 06:38 AM

Media General Issues Statement Regarding FCC Complaint Filed by DISH Network
 
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RICHMOND, Va., Oct. 18, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Media General issued the following statement regarding the retransmission complaint filed with the FCC today by DISH Network:  
 
This is the first time in the history of our company that Media General has failed to reach an agreement with a cable operator or satellite carrier. DISH, in contrast, has been involved in 32 take-down disputes with local broadcasters in the past three years alone, affecting more than 120 local television stations. DISH is currently involved in two other take-downs, in addition to its dispute with Media General.
 

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Posted 21 October 2013 - 11:12 AM

Non-sequitur.


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Posted 21 October 2013 - 05:58 PM

2011 was DISH's best year ever for profit. The only other time they cleared a billion in a single year was 2005. Through the end of 2012 DISH has made $4.8 billion over 18 years ($269 million per year average).

Was that before or after Charlies Billion dollar pay checks?

$269 Mill is a good net profit since that's AFTER all the employees were paid.

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Posted 21 October 2013 - 08:42 PM

Was that before or after Charlies Billion dollar pay checks?

$269 Mill is a good net profit since that's AFTER all the employees were paid.

When has Charlie ever gotten a "billion dollar" paycheck?

 

Also... how is $269 million a year a good average profit for a company taking in the gross that Dish takes in?

 

I'll just take a stab at math...  I don't have all the data for that same 18-year period that was used to calculate the $269 average profit...  but for the last 5 years or so, the average gross revenue was around 4 billion.  I suspect their 18 year average gross revenue is lower than that... but lets just use that for fun.

 

$269 million profit on $4 billion gross revenue is only 6.725% profit margin.

 

You think that's good for a multi-billion dollar company?


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 12:06 AM

$269 Mill is a good net profit since that's AFTER all the employees were paid.


Profit isn't bad ... but the point is that Media General's inflated claims need to be read appropriately. DISH is surviving and reinvesting profits into their current and future businesses. They are not making a lot of money on each subscriber (only $3.77 per subscriber per month in 2012 - or 4.8% of the average monthly bill). DISH isn't averaging $2-$3 billion profit per year and making $17 per month per subscriber (17.7% of the average monthly bill).

I would not mind seeing DISH be more profitable but since they get their money from me I'd rather have the lower subscription rates. :)

$269 million is good ... but it doesn't put DISH in the position to say yes to every big demand that little companies like Media General makes.
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Posted 22 October 2013 - 01:17 PM

Well the Dish full page ads about the local media general station are back so I guess we are still going strong with no settlement in sight.



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Posted 22 October 2013 - 06:04 PM

When has Charlie ever gotten a "billion dollar" paycheck?
 
Also... how is $269 million a year a good average profit for a company taking in the gross that Dish takes in?
 
I'll just take a stab at math...  I don't have all the data for that same 18-year period that was used to calculate the $269 average profit...  but for the last 5 years or so, the average gross revenue was around 4 billion.  I suspect their 18 year average gross revenue is lower than that... but lets just use that for fun.
 
$269 million profit on $4 billion gross revenue is only 6.725% profit margin.
 
You think that's good for a multi-billion dollar company?

Really? if my company brought in a net profit of 270 million a year, yea I would say that's good.
Gross means nothing, and again everyone is paid including Charlie, and the company still has 270 million a year left?
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Posted 22 October 2013 - 06:06 PM

I would not mind seeing DISH be more profitable but since they get their money from me I'd rather have the lower subscription rates. :)

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 06:09 PM


$269 million is good ... but it doesn't put DISH in the position to say yes to every big demand that little companies like Media General makes.

Never said it did.

 

But I also don't get my rocks of watching Dish or Directv, raking in that kind of money, and crying poverty.


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 06:54 PM

Never said it did.


It isn't all about you ... it is about the thread. You know, the dispute between DISH and Media General? Media General noted how much DISH made over the past two years (going two years to give them a much bigger number than one and to include more profitable quarters than the current ones). Companies worth multiple billions should make multiple millions in profits ... or they can go the way of Media General and go out of business.

This is one last hurrah for Media General. One last attempt at victory before they cease to exist.
 

But I also don't get my rocks of watching Dish or Directv, raking in that kind of money, and crying poverty.


DISH isn't crying poverty ... they are promoting responsibility. DirecTV is doing the same in their disputes. And since at the end of the day they are spending our money I'm not going to complain too much.

Media General collected $5 million in operating income and had a net loss of $16 million in the 2nd quarter. Should they claim poverty? They are still worth $682 million.
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Posted 23 October 2013 - 01:56 PM

Really? if my company brought in a net profit of 270 million a year, yea I would say that's good.
Gross means nothing, and again everyone is paid including Charlie, and the company still has 270 million a year left?
Wow better close up shop fast!

I'll try this one last time.

 

IF you had to spend $95 to get $100 would you consider that  "good"?

 

IF you had to spend $95,000 to get back $100,000 would you consider that "good"?

 

It wasn't that long ago that you could earn 5% in a savings account.... so most businesses would definitely NOT be aiming for 6-7% profitability!

 

Yeah, you'd rather make money than lose money... but if you have to spend 95% of what you make, then that isn't a great profitable business... and certainly not one that just has money to throw around at any and every company that wants to raise your rates.


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Posted 23 October 2013 - 06:51 PM

 

 

IF you had to spend $95,000 to get back $100,000 would you consider that "good"?

 

 

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 08:06 PM

Yes I would

So...  you would give your $95,000 away and couldn't use it for a year just to get $100,000 back at the end of that year?

 

That's what you're saying is "good" for a company...  nobody considers <10% return on investment a good investment for a company.  It's one thing if you do it with a personal savings account...  think about investing in a multi-year-CD or something where you can't touch that money for 5-10-20 years and then only get 10% return or less...  those are not good investments unless it is purely extra money that you wouldn't do anything with in the meantime.

 

At this point I can't believe you are being realistic, it sounds like you are just being contrary to be contrary.  Dish is FAR from a perfect company...  but they are by all accounts operating on the slimmest of profit margins for a company of their size.


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Posted 23 October 2013 - 10:18 PM

Considering the state of the economy, 6.725% is not bad at all.

 

Solyndra would have loved to have those numbers.


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 05:17 AM

For those of us that can get the local OTA it would nice to have guide information.  To me that's that's the most frustrating thing about this entire, infantile contest of wills.  Since I went through the hassle of putting a good antenna in my attic it would be nice if Dish could provide a guide at the very least for network shows.

 

It's aggravating that for me, satellite ch 4 is out.  OK, fine.  But OTA ch 4.1 comes in just fine but I have no guide for that channel.  But of course OTA 4.2 that airs reruns of old shows does have guide information!  Why?!  So I can see that MASH is coming on at 8:00 on 4.2 but I'm not allowed to see anything for 4.1?


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 02:15 PM

Considering the state of the economy, 6.725% is not bad at all.

 

Solyndra would have loved to have those numbers.

 

OF course... but that wasn't the point I was making.  Obviously some profit is better than no profit and both are better than losing money.

 

BUT... this branch of the conversation started by noting how Media General was painting Dish as some mega-profitable conglomerate who could afford to pay whatever Media General wants...  The facts don't bear that out.  The facts support that Dish is a company that barely makes a profit and can't afford to just take whatever Media General or any other company wants to demand as pay for their channels.


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