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#1751 OFFLINE   BlackDynamite

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Posted 26 August 2014 - 12:06 PM

The feud rages on...http://www.sltrib.co...rk-sec.html.csp

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Here’s P12N’s latest inflammatory statement about the DirecTV situation:


"DirecTV is treating you unfairly. More than 60 TV providers carry Pac-12 Networks, and we’ve offered DIRECTV the same fair deal. But DIRECTV continues to ignore their customers and Pac-12 fans. They said ‘yes’ to the SEC Network, Big Ten Network, and dozens of other sports networks and ‘no’ to Pac-12 Networks. They have offered up many excuses, but the reality is that they are depriving so many customers of great content."


As a negotiating ploy, that has clearly failed. Maybe it reflects frustration, but if so it’s not particularly professional.



And if anyone has any doubts about that, questioning the source or whatever, just check that link to the Pac 12 Network site I posted a little while ago. That statement in the article is taken directly from the Pac 12 Network's Directv Answers section on their site.
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Posted 26 August 2014 - 03:54 PM

Still saying nothing in this post.


Your failure to read is not my problem. We know that DirecTV is not carrying Pac-12 because they have not reached a deal to carry Pac-12. We know DirecTV wants a better deal than they have been offered. We know Pac-12 has made deals with other providers. Pac-12 isn't Sportsnet LA making deals with practically no one. Neither is DirecTV.

I don't know why there is such a push to figure out the exact deal that DirecTV is not accepting. Does it really matter if it is $1.00 in market and 10c out of market or $1 flat rate? Whatever the offer is, DirecTV isn't buying. Others are. So goes life.
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Posted 26 August 2014 - 04:17 PM

I don't know why there is such a push to figure out the exact deal that DirecTV is not accepting. Does it really matter if it is $1.00 in market and 10c out of market or $1 flat rate? Whatever the offer is, DirecTV isn't buying. Others are. So goes life.

 

Then if you don't care WHY, why do you continue to argue the WHY? Some of us like to understand the underlying reasons rather than just the surface. You know, like understanding gravity and planetary orbits rather than writing it off to the sun god and his ilk.

 

Why do we even have a forum if we don't try to understand and discuss. Let's just limit ourselves to never talking about anything beyond stale technical details.


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Posted 26 August 2014 - 04:59 PM

Understanding comes from truth.
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Posted 26 August 2014 - 07:09 PM

That's true. And with that should be the realization that why is what will determine how you formulate your opinion on the entire issue. Without understanding you can't have as good of a fact based opinion.


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Posted 27 August 2014 - 01:23 PM

Perhaps I missed a post (or many posts) on this, but in the "1 price nationwide for DISH" dispute, does it matter that in market, PAC12 is included at a certain programming level and out of market it can be bought (kind of) ala carte by the customer getting the sports pack?  Is this still true for DISH? 

 

To me, that's a big deal.  The fact that out of market customers aren't "forced" to pay for the channel is a big deal.  It sounds like PAC12 wants their channel to be nationwide on DIRECTV.  Isn't that a materially different deal if DISH is allowed to have the channel on sports pack out of market and included in packages of a certain level in market? 

 

I'd be in market (Colorado, not that I follow the Buffs) if DIRECTV were to carry PAC12, and I'd be happy to have it, but I still don't feel like I'm really missing anything. 


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Posted 27 August 2014 - 04:27 PM

Perhaps I missed a post (or many posts) on this, but in the "1 price nationwide for DISH" dispute, does it matter that in market, PAC12 is included at a certain programming level and out of market it can be bought (kind of) ala carte by the customer getting the sports pack?  Is this still true for DISH?


It is true that Pac-12 and Big-10 are delivered in AT120+ or above in their respective market and are only available in the $11 sports package out-of-market. I believe that matters (and have been saying that since DISH added Pac-12 two years ago). If Pac-12 wants the same delivery as Big-10 they are getting it on DISH. If Pac-12 wants the same delivery as Big-10 on DirecTV, Pac-12 would need to be in Choice nationwide (with DirecTV paying whatever rate Pac-12 charges out-of-market).


To me, that's a big deal.  The fact that out of market customers aren't "forced" to pay for the channel is a big deal.  It sounds like PAC12 wants their channel to be nationwide on DIRECTV.  Isn't that a materially different deal if DISH is allowed to have the channel on sports pack out of market and included in packages of a certain level in market?


That is why I like to phrase it as "the same delivery as Big-10". I believe most cable systems that carry Big-10 or Pac-12 also provide it in a core package in-market and a higher level or sports add on out-of-market.

SEC is a game changer as they are delivered nationally regardless of market ... but evidently the price (and being able to keep other ABC/ESPN/Disney programming) makes it worth carrying nationwide.
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Posted 27 August 2014 - 05:30 PM

We're getting closer to Pac 12 caving in to DirecTV.



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Posted 27 August 2014 - 05:46 PM

We're getting closer to Pac 12 caving in to DirecTV.

What makes you say that?

 

gut feeling? or 'inside' information?


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Posted 27 August 2014 - 05:59 PM

It is true that Pac-12 and Big-10 are delivered in AT120+ or above in their respective market and are only available in the $11 sports package out-of-market. I believe that matters (and have been saying that since DISH added Pac-12 two years ago). If Pac-12 wants the same delivery as Big-10 they are getting it on DISH. If Pac-12 wants the same delivery as Big-10 on DirecTV, Pac-12 would need to be in Choice nationwide (with DirecTV paying whatever rate Pac-12 charges out-of-market).That is why I like to phrase it as "the same delivery as Big-10". I believe most cable systems that carry Big-10 or Pac-12 also provide it in a core package in-market and a higher level or sports add on out-of-market.SEC is a game changer as they are delivered nationally regardless of market ... but evidently the price (and being able to keep other ABC/ESPN/Disney programming) makes it worth carrying nationwide.


At least around here, SEC is delivered at the same levels as BTN. Not sure why you say game changer. Fios, for example, delivers BTN in HD but not SEC out of footprint.
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Posted 27 August 2014 - 06:27 PM

At least around here, SEC is delivered at the same levels as BTN. Not sure why you say game changer. Fios, for example, delivers BTN in HD but not SEC out of footprint.


DISH delivered Pac-12 "game only" HD until a few weeks ago (Big-10 was DISH's only 24/7 HD RSN). Some delivery is more important than HD delivery.

The "game changer" of SEC is Pac-12 latching on to SEC-ESPN as the network Pac-12 wants to be - Demanding the same delivery as SEC-ESPN Network. There are signs in their latest statements that they feel they should be treated like SEC-ESPN ... including the negative comments toward DirecTV for adding SEC and not Pac-12 noting SEC's parent company's leverage. While "carry us like SEC" vs "carry us like BTN" isn't different on DirecTV it gives them another network to point to. When Longhorn is added nationally we will probably see more outcry from Pac-12 that they are being treated unfairly. Every RSN that gets national carriage is one more reason why Pac-12 would want national carriage.
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Posted 27 August 2014 - 06:49 PM

DISH delivered Pac-12 "game only" HD until a few weeks ago (Big-10 was DISH's only 24/7 HD RSN). Some delivery is more important than HD delivery.

 

The "game changer" of SEC is Pac-12 latching on to SEC-ESPN as the network Pac-12 wants to be - Demanding the same delivery as SEC-ESPN Network. There are signs in their latest statements that they feel they should be treated like SEC-ESPN ... including the negative comments toward DirecTV for adding SEC and not Pac-12 noting SEC's parent company's leverage. While "carry us like SEC" vs "carry us like BTN" isn't different on DirecTV it gives them another network to point to. When Longhorn is added nationally we will probably see more outcry from Pac-12 that they are being treated unfairly. Every RSN that gets national carriage is one more reason why Pac-12 would want national carriage.

 

 

It's 2014.  Unless it is delivered in HD, any sports related programming is dead in the water.  So, in this context, "any" delivery is not more important than HD delivery.

 

If the Pac 12 wants the SEC deal, it would be advisable to get into bed with ESPN.  The Pac 12 does not nearly have the clout to strike such an SEC Network type deal on its own.


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Posted 27 August 2014 - 07:27 PM

So his statement wasn't off in regards to DirecTV?

He wasn't showing malice or ill-will, he was just stating what pretty much a lot of people believes is true.

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 10:43 PM

Larry Scott was on 95.7 The Game in SF today and this issue was discussed. He was asked "will we see DirecTV and Pac12 Networks work out a deal in our lifetime" He laughed and said yes. His comments after were more telling though, he said once "their purchase is done I think we'll see everything worked out." I could see this being true for a couple of reasons. First we know ATT and Pac12 have a pretty good sponsorship relationship and I am sure that will come into play. Secondly, just a guess here but with the purchase coming up DirecTV is in a "holding pattern" on new networks unless they already have deals in place with their ownership (ESPN/SEC). 

 

On another note, late today it was announced that Xfinity would now allow their customers to authenticate using the Pac12 app and they don't have to use the Xfinity app to watch Pac12 Network(s).  



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Posted 27 August 2014 - 11:12 PM

DirecTV's "holding pattern" is awaiting the arrival of their new satellites - not AT&T related.
DirecTV has made it clear that they are operating "business as usual" until the deal is consumed next year.
AT&T has made it clear that there would not be wholesale changes after they take control.

I don't blame Mr Scott for being optimistic. He apparently doesn't like the people he is dealing with and he thinks that somehow there will be different people to deal with next year. New ownership will bring new oversight. But ownership by AT&T is no guarantee that Pac-12's pricing will be any more acceptable to DirecTV in 2015 than it has been since 2012.
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Posted 28 August 2014 - 05:17 AM

I don't blame Mr Scott for being optimistic. He apparently doesn't like the people he is dealing with and he thinks that somehow there will be different people to deal with next year. New ownership will bring new oversight. But ownership by AT&T is no guarantee that Pac-12's pricing will be any more acceptable to DirecTV in 2015 than it has been since 2012.

 

I'd bet dollars to donuts (1940 donuts) that the feeling is mutual. And Scott being replaced also doesn't guarantee Pac-12 will change their demands. 


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Posted 28 August 2014 - 09:20 AM

DISH delivered Pac-12 "game only" HD until a few weeks ago (Big-10 was DISH's only 24/7 HD RSN). Some delivery is more important than HD delivery.

The "game changer" of SEC is Pac-12 latching on to SEC-ESPN as the network Pac-12 wants to be - Demanding the same delivery as SEC-ESPN Network. There are signs in their latest statements that they feel they should be treated like SEC-ESPN ... including the negative comments toward DirecTV for adding SEC and not Pac-12 noting SEC's parent company's leverage. While "carry us like SEC" vs "carry us like BTN" isn't different on DirecTV it gives them another network to point to. When Longhorn is added nationally we will probably see more outcry from Pac-12 that they are being treated unfairly. Every RSN that gets national carriage is one more reason why Pac-12 would want national carriage.

 

If they note "the parent company's leverage" that's tacitly admitting their "go it alone" strategy isn't as wonderful as Scott has claimed it to be. That's what they gave up by maintaining 100% ownership. BTN and SECN were willing to give up half ownership, in exchange for gaining that leverage. That's one of the big reasons why they've got better coverage than Pac 12.

 

No matter how much Pac 12 may "demand" equal treatment, they can't have it both ways and expect equal treatment while having no leverage to enforce it.

 

When renewal time comes along for BTN, they'll likely demand a fairly significant bump in rates (the WSJ expects a near doubling) and basic package coverage in the "new" B1G regions in the NJ/NYC area and Maryland/DC area. If they were going it alone, they probably wouldn't get it. But they have Fox conducting those negotiations, and Fox can hold FS1 (for whatever that's worth) FNC (which is probably worth more than FS1) and in the NYC area YES hostage to guarantee their BTN demands are met.

 

When renewal time comes along for Pac 12, if they raise rates or want to change terms to increase carriage, some providers might say no. Pac 12 has only the threat of losing that one channel, and if providers think the rate increase is too much and take them off the air. They won't be risking losing other stuff that many customers would value more highly than a conference network, such as FNC, YES or the big dog ESPN.


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Posted 28 August 2014 - 09:41 AM

There are only three facts that matter:

 

1) Tonight is the beginning of the third season of PAC12 Football on the PAC12 Net

2) The games aren't on DirecTV

3) Just about EVERY other carrier with a some sort of a National footprint carry the channel(s)

 

Everything else written here and elsewhere:  pure speculation


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Posted 28 August 2014 - 09:46 AM

There are only three facts that matter:

 

1) Tonight is the beginning of the third season of PAC12 Football on the PAC12 Net

2) The games aren't on DirecTV

3) Just about EVERY other carrier with a some sort of a National footprint carry the channel(s)

 

Everything else written here and elsewhere:  pure speculation

 

 

3 is a fallacy. I cannot get PAC12 here on any carrier other than Dish. Comcast does not carry PAC 12 here. Just because Comcast carries the channel and is a national provider, does not mean the channel is available nationally.


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 12:09 AM

Larry Scott was on 95.7 The Game in SF today and this issue was discussed. He was asked "will we see DirecTV and Pac12 Networks work out a deal in our lifetime" He laughed and said yes. His comments after were more telling though, he said once "their purchase is done I think we'll see everything worked out." I could see this being true for a couple of reasons. First we know ATT and Pac12 have a pretty good sponsorship relationship and I am sure that will come into play. Secondly, just a guess here but with the purchase coming up DirecTV is in a "holding pattern" on new networks unless they already have deals in place with their ownership (ESPN/SEC). 

 

On another note, late today it was announced that Xfinity would now allow their customers to authenticate using the Pac12 app and they don't have to use the Xfinity app to watch Pac12 Network(s).  

 

Reminds me of the articles about Samsung and Apple lawsuits but then reading about Samsung getting more sales to Apple at the same time. Different parts of the companies have different goals and don't always agree on things.


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Posted 30 August 2014 - 02:54 PM

No they're not. Now please delete that post before the word gets out, lol

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Posted 30 August 2014 - 03:00 PM

No they're not. Now please delete that post before the word gets out, lol

 

Okay, I did.  Hopefully they don't catch on.  


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Posted 04 September 2014 - 03:39 PM

Holy Cow! This is a bit complicated! 

 

From the Pac-12 Networks' site:

 

In week 2, Pac-12 Networks will televise Fresno State at UtahEastern Washington at Washington and Sacramento State at Cal games at 12:00 p.m. PT. The Utah game will be carried on Pac-12 Mountain, Pac-12 Arizona and Pac-12 Network (national feed). The Washington game will be available on Pac-12 Washington and Pac-12 Oregon, while Cal-Sacramento State will be available on Pac-12 Bay Area and Pac-12 Los Angeles.

DISH will offer the UW-Eastern Washington game on channel 406.3 for Hoppers and 593 for non-Hoppers, while AT&T U-verse will have the UW game on channels 763 (SD) and 1763 (HD). For Cal-Sacramento State, DISH will offer the game on 406-02 on the Hopper and 592 for non-Hoppers. AT&T U-verse already makes Pac-12 Bay Area and Pac-12 Los Angeles available to all of their subscribers so they do not need an additional channel for the Cal game. 

In addition, Comcast will make the Fresno State-Utah game available to all of their subscribers throughout Northern California on the Comcast Hometown Network, which is channel 104 in most areas.  

 And of the eleven games this week, four are carried by Pac-12, but the better games are all available elsewhere. 


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Posted 21 September 2014 - 10:09 AM

After Arizona's great comeback and finish, don't tell me that the PAC 12 Net doesn't carry the best games.
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Posted 21 September 2014 - 01:26 PM

Even if it was on DirecTV, two-thirds of the country was asleep before Arizona showed up to play. Besides that, it does not compare to Florida State over Clemson in overtime, Mississippi State over LSU in Baton Rouge, or Alabama over Florida. There were many great games on DirecTV, and they all started by 8:00 PM in the east.




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