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#1 OFFLINE   VaJim

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 02:25 PM

I'm scheduled for an upgrade to the Genie/w minie next week.  Do have a couple of questions:

 

 I currently have a 2 HR21=100.  My thought is the Genie and mini would replace both of these.  Reading around it sounds like some keep the old receivers..?  Is this true and if so why?

 

 



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Posted 12 July 2013 - 02:36 PM

Client is useless without a working Genie. So if Genie dies, the Client is dead as well.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 03:03 PM

No way I would be without a HD DVR as a back up. If all you have is a genie and a client and the Genie goes down you have no tv. The monthly cost is the same for a client, a HD receiver or a HD DVR. So you may want to keep one or more of your DVRs.
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Posted 12 July 2013 - 03:03 PM

Keeping your old DVRs allows you to watch any recordings on them, as well as use them to do additional recording (more recording space/time). With a DVR you retain the "trick play" control of live tv, and they can share in whole-home.

 

Client is smaller, cleaner installation. Gives you full control at the viewing location just as if you were using the Genie at that location.

 

So there are pros and cons, and only you can decide which is best for your situation. Either way will work just fine.



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Posted 12 July 2013 - 06:32 PM

Thanks all...

 

How are you using the term 'client'?  So if I understand correctly, if all you have is a Genie and maybe a mini and the Genie dies...you SOL..?

 

For those of you who did keep, do you keep in hooked up...where?....and what does that do to your DTV bill?

 

RTU.....is that the same as the term 'Smart TV' that I see on some of the Samsung sets?



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Posted 12 July 2013 - 06:34 PM

Unless you don't own a dvd player (or any other source of tv like OTA), and your life ends if you cant have tv for a day or two in case of some sort of failure of your directv receiver, Id get the genie and one client for your system.  It only adds more function to what you have now.  A lot more. The ONLY thing you lose is if the Genie itself dies, you are without either tv having the ability to pick up sat tv until it gets replaced.  That is the ONLY thing you would lose over your current system.  The other positives so far out weigh that IMHO.



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Posted 12 July 2013 - 06:38 PM

Thanks all...

 

How are you using the term 'client'?  So if I understand correctly, if all you have is a Genie and maybe a mini and the Genie dies...you SOL..?

 

For those of you who did keep, do you keep in hooked up...where?....and what does that do to your DTV bill?

 

RTU.....is that the same as the term 'Smart TV' that I see on some of the Samsung sets?

RVU is the same idea as whats built into some tvs, but the outboard genie mini clients are generally reported to respond better.

 

Any HR can be considered a client for playback of recordings on another tv, but only the mini genie clients give you full access to all menus and series recordings, same guide data, etc as the main genie.  

 

People leave them hooked up and use hrs instead of mini clients all the time.

 

Bill wise, it really doesn't matter which way you go, as it all works out the same pricing wise, except for some instances if they update how your billed you could see a change of $2-$3 MAYBE.



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Posted 12 July 2013 - 06:38 PM

Thanks all...

 

How are you using the term 'client'?  So if I understand correctly, if all you have is a Genie and maybe a mini and the Genie dies...you SOL..?

 

For those of you who did keep, do you keep in hooked up...where?....and what does that do to your DTV bill?

 

RTU.....is that the same as the term 'Smart TV' that I see on some of the Samsung sets?

Here client means the C31 or C41, and is entirely dependent on a Genie (server), the HR34 or 44.

 

RVU is "extra smart": Not all smart Samsungs are RVU enabled, but all RVU enabled Sammies are smart.

 

I happen to have both DVRs and clients in my set up, linked by a Whole Home installation. 


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 06:40 PM

I'm getting a Genie + Client next Tuesday (though I'm keeping my HR24) and was curious about your comment that you retain trick play control of live TV with a DVR. Can you not pause and rewind live TV with the client? I thought the client gave you access to everything on the Genie including live TV.

Keeping your old DVRs allows you to watch any recordings on them, as well as use them to do additional recording (more recording space/time). With a DVR you retain the "trick play" control of live tv, and they can share in whole-home.
 
Client is smaller, cleaner installation. Gives you full control at the viewing location just as if you were using the Genie at that location.
 
So there are pros and cons, and only you can decide which is best for your situation. Either way will work just fine.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 06:44 PM

You can with a genie mini client.  Some people use h24/25 as a client instead and those you can not pause live tv.



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Posted 12 July 2013 - 06:44 PM

I'm getting a Genie + Client next Tuesday (though I'm keeping my HR24) and was curious about your comment that you retain trick play control of live TV with a DVR. Can you not pause and rewind live TV with the client? I thought the client gave you access to everything on the Genie including live TV.
 

 

Yes, the Genie client will do that. What won't do that (unless you hit R to record it): Live TV on a receiver only, such as the H20, H24 or H25.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 08:50 PM

I'm getting a Genie + Client next Tuesday (though I'm keeping my HR24) and was curious about your comment that you retain trick play control of live TV with a DVR. Can you not pause and rewind live TV with the client? I thought the client gave you access to everything on the Genie including live TV.
 

I think Inkahauts and Laxguy answered this, but just to clarify:

A C31/C41 client gives you full control, as if the Genie itself were at that TV. You can use all trick play, set and manage recordings, etc.

An HR2x DVR can participate in whole-home, can set recordings on itself (but not on other units), can play recordings from any unit, and has it's own tuners, buffer, and trick play.

An H2x receiver can participate in whole-home, can set recordings on any DVR/Genie, but has no trick play capability (no buffer).

You can have a system that is comprised of almost any combination of the above units. A genie, a C31, an HR2x and an H2x for example. The H2x would not have trick play capability for live tv.



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Posted 12 July 2013 - 09:23 PM

Re: Trick Play (aka FF, RW, Pause, etc.) on the H25. 

 

After a bit you get used to hitting R for anything remotely interesting, so you have all that available. And live TV is behind by several hundred..... milliseconds.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 10:28 PM

Thanks for all the replies. I thought the mini was just like having the Genie there, with all of its functionality. I hadn't thought about receivers as clients. That makes sense. Can't wait to play around with this stuff next week!

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 10:37 PM

Well a mini is just like having the genie there. Other receivers, its only like having the entire playlist there to play.

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 04:37 AM

On my H24 receiver I can also record and assign the recording to any of my networked DVRs. I cannot view the to do list, season passes etc...my selection priority would be Genie, HD DVR, HD receiver, Mini genie. Some DVRs can be a noisy in a bedroom. If that is a problem a receiver or mini genie is a good option and if size matters the mini genie wins. I would also need to research reports of problems with the mini genie to see it they are isolated or significant.

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 08:21 AM

The H25 is pretty compact, slightly larger than the Genie clients. 


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 04:40 PM

Thanks for all the replies. I do have a few more questions.

If I do keep one of my current dvr's, how or where would I hook it up? Not understanding the function or purpose of the hr21-100 after I get the genie

I hope I get the hr44. Does the genie have built in wifi? My hr21-100 does not and I was using a gaming adapter which has died

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 05:22 PM

The install tech should upgrade your system to be whole home ready. The HR44 has built in wifi, the HR34 does not. All you need to decide is where you want your DVRs located. For me the extra DVR serves as a back up for important recordings, rarely has it been needed. Some users asign DVRs to another family member for their recordings...you decide what works for you. You will be able to view the playlist for all DVRs on the whole home system if you desire or you can select to not share the playlist and keep the list private.

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 05:29 PM

The install tech should upgrade your system to be whole home ready. The HR44 has built in wifi, the HR34 does not. All you need to decide is where you want your DVRs located. For me the extra DVR serves as a back up for important recordings, rarely has it been needed. Some users asign DVRs to another family member for their recordings...you decide what works for you. You will be able to view the playlist for all DVRs on the whole home system if you desire or you can select to not share the playlist and keep the list private.


Thanks. So how does the old hr21-100?hook up to the genie?




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