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#51 OFFLINE   James Long

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 05:11 PM

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 05:17 PM

I hadn't thought that the replacing of existing channels angle...  It sounds (from what I've read) like FS1 will replace Speed and FS2 will replace Fuel...  that being the case, maybe they will be using the proven transmission paths and not have to do much testing until the last minute... so I guess we could get a Friday surprise in a late night uplink IF these deals are really done.


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Posted 14 August 2013 - 05:21 PM

They have reached agreement TODAY with FOX to carry FOX Sports 1, details to follow.



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Posted 14 August 2013 - 05:27 PM

http://www.latimes.c...0,5466870.story

 

Fox wants their channel in the basic package , so we will see saturday where its going.

 

 


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Posted 14 August 2013 - 05:28 PM

Thank goodness that speculation is over. Now what will the channel numbers become?

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 05:31 PM

150 is Speed and will easily become Fox Sports 1

151 is open and could easily become Fox Sports 2 (Fuel)

 

The ads running on Speed say to look for Fox Sports 1 on the same channel number as Speed.

(Ads that have been playing all week.)


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Posted 14 August 2013 - 08:52 PM

Any chance FS1 will be available to AT120+ and Multi Sport package customers?



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Posted 14 August 2013 - 09:39 PM

As I carefully re-read some things...  I'm actually not seeing anything that mentions FS2 currently being part of the agreement.  Surely it is... but every article I see (maybe they are all referring to the same original report earlier today?) specifically mentions "an agreement to carry FS1"...  Heck, they don't even mention if HD carriage is part of this deal, though surely it is.

 

I have a feeling like we aren't going to know until Friday about FS1 HD or not, and maybe still not about FS2 then...  and if Dish follows previous deals they might put FS1 in a free preview for a couple of weeks so we still might not know for sure what package it is going to be in going forward.

 

We *should* know by Friday...  but if this was as last-minute as it seems... who knows when the official word will get out.  I keep checking the FS1 Web site and they don't have any recent FOX press releases where I would expect to find some of this kind of info... which means either they are slow to update OR the final dots and eyes aren't done yet on the contracts.


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Posted 14 August 2013 - 09:53 PM

The deal isn't finalized ... but Fuel's EPG has been showing the expected "FS 2" programming starting Saturday. With all the talk about "the one", FS 2 is under the radar.

 

I suspect some of the details being worked out include channel placement for FS 2 and package level for the channels. If Fox Sports wants to compete with ESPN they need to be at ESPN's level ... which means DISH needs to deliver the channel to ~4 million more subscribers than receive Speed (and if FS 2 comes along for the ride it would jump two tiers).

 

I'll be surprised if FS 1 does not end up in AT120. FS 2 is more of a specialty channel that might get sacrificed to be at AT250/Sports Pack. But not having FS 1 in AT120 does not deliver DISH's 14 million subscribers to complete the 90 million subscribers.


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Posted 15 August 2013 - 01:52 PM

Dish reps on Facebook just confirmed the FS1 deal. It will as expected be on channel 150 and AT 200 and up package. Still no " official " response on FS2

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 03:37 PM

Now they(dish) are saying on Facebook
FS2 will be in AT120 Ch398 SD only.
FS1 will be in AT200. Ch150 HD
FXX Ch390 In HD no pkg indicated - Sept 2nd

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 04:05 PM

Just got off the phone with Dish , they say Fox sports 1 will indeed be in the 200 pkg, and FOX2 will be in the 250 pkg ,Fox can't be happy about that being that ESPN is in the 120 pkg,  bummer so now I have to spend $15 more a month to watch the UFC, I guess I should of stayed with DirecTV.


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Posted 15 August 2013 - 04:27 PM

Fox caved and took what they could get, which was allow them to have the channel at the cost and location of what they were getting for Speed.

 

Just got off the phone with Dish , they say Fox sports 1 will indeed be in the 200 pkg, and FOX2 will be in the 250 pkg ,Fox can't be happy about that being that ESPN is in the 120 pkg,  bummer so now I have to spend $15 more a month to watch the UFC, I guess I should of stayed with DirecTV.


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Posted 15 August 2013 - 05:17 PM

It looks more like an OWN type of deal. OWN thought it could cancel the Discovery Health carriage contracts and renegotiate an Oprah sized fee for the new channel. They ended up getting carriage under their continuing contract.

 

Speed and Fuel have contracts for carriage. Just hold the status quo, keep calm and carry on.

 

When they prove their worth they can renegotiate for what they want (or at least what they can get).

 

 

If I were FS1 I'd be pushing for AT120. How can you be the next ESPN without being in EVERY home?

 

If I were DISH I'd want a price freeze or reduction for moving Speed/FS 1 to AT120 (and the same for Fuel if moved). If DISH is paying ~23c per subscriber for 10 million (estimated) AT200 and above subscribers even paying ~23c per subscriber for all 14 million is an additional cost (40% increase to Fox) and it takes away one of the channels DISH uses to convince people to pay a more for AT200 instead of AT120 ... so they could end up paying more and collecting less.


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Posted 15 August 2013 - 05:20 PM

SD only for FS2??? Thought for sure the new deal would include adding HD for FS2.



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Posted 15 August 2013 - 05:52 PM

The way I read the releases, there is no new deal. Fox Sports 1 and 2 will be carried under the old deals. :)


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Posted 15 August 2013 - 06:10 PM

That's kind of what it sounds like to me too... they basically "renewed" Speed and Fuel but will be renaming them...  As has been said IF the channels prove themselves and find their audience, they may be able to negotiate better tiers in the future.

 

Kind of a disappointment that FS2 will only be in SD, though...  I hope nothing I want to watch will be on FS2.


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Posted 15 August 2013 - 10:28 PM

Hate to follow myself...  but the more I read online, the more it sounds like Dish, DirecTV, and Time Warner didn't really strike a deal after all for long-term carriage... but rather FOX wanted to have the eyes starting on launch day so they relented and agreed to allow FS1 + FS2 under already agreed upon terms for Speed and FuelTV... which means IF the channel is a flop, we're golden... but IF the channel picks up viewers and gets good ratings, expect FOX and everybody to be back at the table sooner rather than later.


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Posted 16 August 2013 - 01:04 AM

Whenever the normal contract end date for Speed, Fuel and Fox Soccer comes up for each company.

 

It was my hope that "Grandfathered Speed" (the Speed channel for providers who did not sign a contract for FS 1) would be a channel that still carried the type of content on the current speed, Not six hour rerun loops of mostly "reality shows" but the motorsports coverage that is on Speed. "Grandfathered Speed" would not have the new non-motor sports content (UFC etc ...) but would have the content DISH and other companies agreed to carry.  Of course, based on the EPG for Speed starting Saturday (on Zap2It and the DISH receivers) it was going to be six hour rerun loops. Which for Fox was a good decision ... less viewers would spend the weekend calling the non-compliant cable and satellite companies if the normal programs were on.

 

The thought that Fox might be in breach of content if they reformatted Speed and removed the motorsports content probably helped Fox make the decision to allow carriers with a contract for Speed to get Fox Sports 1 without a new contract. That and their very public promise to be in 90 million homes. Gotta keep your promises.

 

For now, I don't believe any cable/satellite will be upset with getting the new content on FS 1, FS 2 and FXX. Some viewers may be upset by the content moving to Fuel/FS 2 (especially those who don't get Fuel in HD - and Fuel being in a more expensive package doesn't help). But it seems the best is moving from Fuel and Fox Soccer TO FS 1 - which makes content available to people who may not want to pay for the higher package.

 

So when is the Speed contract up? Will it be at the same time as Fuel? That is when the war will begin. :)

But at least by then there will be viewership data to look at ... not just promises.


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Posted 16 August 2013 - 07:24 AM

I'm all for continued carriage until we see what eyes they bring to the table.


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Posted 16 August 2013 - 10:18 AM

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 03:20 PM

It would be nice to have the right EPG ...
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Posted 16 August 2013 - 06:47 PM

It would be nice to have the right EPG ...

I just said that (in a different way) in the uplink thread :)

 

I wanted to see what shows are on... no sports that I care about yet I know... but might want to see some of their new studio shows to see what I like... but hard to do that when the schedule is not updated.


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Posted 16 August 2013 - 08:35 PM

Fox Backs Down From FS1 Asking Price In Order To Get Deals With All Major Carriers

 

"The frenzied rush that saw several of the country’s biggest distributors agree to carry FS1 at launch occurred only after Fox surprisingly backed off its asking price of $0.80 per subscriber per month, according to multiple high-level sources. Cablevision, Cox, DirecTV, Dish Network and Time Warner Cable agreed to carry the new, heavily promoted all-sports channel, but only at the same rate they were paying for the previous channel, Speed, which was $0.23 per subscriber per month. Fox told the distributors that it would convert Speed into FS1 and allow distributors with existing Speed deals to carry it at Speed’s rate, or at least close to it, according to multiple sources with direct knowledge of the talks. None of the distributors would comment beyond official statements."

 

Full article here.

 

Seems to confirm what we have basically been saying...  FOX wasn't making any headway towards new contracts so rather than have egg on their face they decided to do a workaround and wait until later to have the fight.  Now I'm wondering when the Speed/Fuel contracts with Dish and DirecTV will expire and we will have the real fight for carriage.


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Posted 17 August 2013 - 03:11 AM

Seems to confirm what we have basically been saying...  FOX wasn't making any headway towards new contracts so rather than have egg on their face they decided to do a workaround and wait until later to have the fight.  Now I'm wondering when the Speed/Fuel contracts with Dish and DirecTV will expire and we will have the real fight for carriage.

 

It's the classic chicken-and-the-egg problem.  "We're going to have lots of quality programs, but we need the money to buy the rights to them."  "But nobody watches your channel."  "That's because we can't buy quality programs."  Except this is Fox, and they have more than enough money to subsidize the channel at launch to get it in as many homes as possible.  What they have to do is deliver high ratings, which will indicate high demand, and then providers will be willing to pay almost 400% more for it over Speed.  What hurts FS1 in this matter is that Speed is typically not in basic packages, and it remains to be seen if many customers will upgrade their packages to get it.  Without enough customers getting it, they won't get high enough ratings to justify the increase.

 

Personally, as an AT250 customer, I don't really have to worry about it.  And yes, eventually FS1 is going to have some programming I want to watch on it.  Maybe even a lot.  But it's just content that I was getting elsewhere already, so it translates into yet another price increase for the same programming.  Just like I was getting all the Big10 football I needed before the Big10 Channel came along, but now I'm paying a lot more for it.






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