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#41 OFFLINE   Chihuahua

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 11:20 PM

I believe Dish Network will carry Fox Sports 2 when it rolls out this Saturday on the channel that Fuel TV is currently located.



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Posted 14 August 2013 - 07:30 AM

I feel the same about all the other channels that are in my package...  I don't want to pay for those channels that I don't watch either.

 

A la cart discussions really are their own topic... and IF sports channels like these ever did separate from the main tiers and people got their "a la cart" ways... they might not like what they end up with as many of their favorite channels could no longer survive.

There are several channels in the basic packages that I don't watch, but I have to pay for them.  What ticks me off is when one of these channels are dropped, but my monthly charge stays the same.  Cloo is a perfect example.....it was dropped, but I see no reduction in my bill.  The same when I lost some of locals due to dispute


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Posted 14 August 2013 - 11:38 AM

There are several channels in the basic packages that I don't watch, but I have to pay for them.  What ticks me off is when one of these channels are dropped, but my monthly charge stays the same.  Cloo is a perfect example.....it was dropped, but I see no reduction in my bill.  The same when I lost some of locals due to dispute

 

It's a blue moon when any provider will make such an adjustment, but it cuts both ways: Your bill doesn't go up (right away!) when a content provider renews at a higher rate. Or when channels are added. 


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Posted 14 August 2013 - 12:11 PM

There are several channels in the basic packages that I don't watch, but I have to pay for them.  What ticks me off is when one of these channels are dropped, but my monthly charge stays the same.  Cloo is a perfect example.....it was dropped, but I see no reduction in my bill.  The same when I lost some of locals due to dispute

Your channel package doesn't go down in price the minute that a channel is pulled just like it doesn't go up immediately when a channel is added. However it isn't unusual if you call Dish and let them know that you feel you're not getting your money's worth because they removed a channel that you like and are missing for them to issue you some kind of small credit or offer a promo to you.




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Posted 14 August 2013 - 01:17 PM

according to an article from NY Daily News' site, it looks like Time Warner Cable will be the one trying to hold out while Dish and Direct are expected to have it on launch day. but this is pure speculation so take it with a grain of salt:

 

http://www.nydailyne...icle-1.1425993 


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Posted 14 August 2013 - 01:25 PM

I would think that IF Dish is close to an agreement, we might see something positive (like a test channel) on the uplink report soon.  They can do these things same-day... but usually like to test an uplink for a few days before launch... so it would be a semi-positive sign if today's uplink shows any action.


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Posted 14 August 2013 - 01:32 PM

You're way, way off the mark.  ESPN is by FAR the most profitable business that Disney has.  Half of Disney's 115B valuation is attributable to ESPN.

 

As for margins, DTV's 2Q13 operating (EBIT) margin was 20%.  This is an exceptional figure.

 

But ESPN's....

 

38% operating margin in 2011.

 

http://beta.fool.com...cash-cow/16067/

 

38%!!!!!!!!!!

 

Amazing.  They print cash at ESPN, at the expense of the NonSportsFan.

 

 

You have it exactly backwards with ESPN being one of THE most profitable and costs DISH and other carriers about the most.

 

http://www.forbes.co...rth-40-billion/

I misspoke when I said low/small profit margin. I meant cash flow margin.

 

 

What it shows is just how fat cable networks have become. According to its research, more than 30 networks have margins of 50% or more topped by Nickelodeon, with a 64.6% margin and the Food Network at 60.5%.

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"In addition, sports networks typically have lower cash flow margins than general entertainment and other genres," the reports says. "ESPN, for instance, which makes up almost 15% of industry revenue, has a cash flow margin of just 25.3%."

http://www.tvnewsche...t-retrans-value


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Posted 14 August 2013 - 04:19 PM

I would think that IF Dish is close to an agreement, we might see something positive (like a test channel) on the uplink report soon.  They can do these things same-day... but usually like to test an uplink for a few days before launch... so it would be a semi-positive sign if today's uplink shows any action.


FS 1 is replacing Speed ... so the only Uplink Activity I expect is a name change (at 6am or 7am Saturday morning).

The backend change from the feed that will actually be FS 1 and the feed that will remain Speed and play the six hour loops shouldn't affect the Uplink Activity we see.

There may be a "package flag change" if FS 1 ends up in ESPN's package (AT120) instead of AT200. Fuel TV in AT250 may also move down depending on what the final contract is.

If there is a test channel for Fuel TV HD that would show up in Uplink Activity ... but I'm expecting an announcement before any Uplink Activity.
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Posted 14 August 2013 - 04:52 PM

Per the LA Times the carrage deal is done:

http://www.latimes.c...0,5466870.story

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 05:04 PM

Yes, Hooo-Aaaaaaah! 

 

AND, we get to see Regis Philbin. What a bonus!!! 

 

 

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 05:11 PM

Yay!
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Posted 14 August 2013 - 05:17 PM

I hadn't thought that the replacing of existing channels angle...  It sounds (from what I've read) like FS1 will replace Speed and FS2 will replace Fuel...  that being the case, maybe they will be using the proven transmission paths and not have to do much testing until the last minute... so I guess we could get a Friday surprise in a late night uplink IF these deals are really done.


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Posted 14 August 2013 - 05:21 PM

They have reached agreement TODAY with FOX to carry FOX Sports 1, details to follow.



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Posted 14 August 2013 - 05:27 PM

http://www.latimes.c...0,5466870.story

 

Fox wants their channel in the basic package , so we will see saturday where its going.

 

 


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Posted 14 August 2013 - 05:28 PM

Thank goodness that speculation is over. Now what will the channel numbers become?

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 05:31 PM

150 is Speed and will easily become Fox Sports 1

151 is open and could easily become Fox Sports 2 (Fuel)

 

The ads running on Speed say to look for Fox Sports 1 on the same channel number as Speed.

(Ads that have been playing all week.)


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Posted 14 August 2013 - 08:52 PM

Any chance FS1 will be available to AT120+ and Multi Sport package customers?



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Posted 14 August 2013 - 09:39 PM

As I carefully re-read some things...  I'm actually not seeing anything that mentions FS2 currently being part of the agreement.  Surely it is... but every article I see (maybe they are all referring to the same original report earlier today?) specifically mentions "an agreement to carry FS1"...  Heck, they don't even mention if HD carriage is part of this deal, though surely it is.

 

I have a feeling like we aren't going to know until Friday about FS1 HD or not, and maybe still not about FS2 then...  and if Dish follows previous deals they might put FS1 in a free preview for a couple of weeks so we still might not know for sure what package it is going to be in going forward.

 

We *should* know by Friday...  but if this was as last-minute as it seems... who knows when the official word will get out.  I keep checking the FS1 Web site and they don't have any recent FOX press releases where I would expect to find some of this kind of info... which means either they are slow to update OR the final dots and eyes aren't done yet on the contracts.


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Posted 14 August 2013 - 09:53 PM

The deal isn't finalized ... but Fuel's EPG has been showing the expected "FS 2" programming starting Saturday. With all the talk about "the one", FS 2 is under the radar.

 

I suspect some of the details being worked out include channel placement for FS 2 and package level for the channels. If Fox Sports wants to compete with ESPN they need to be at ESPN's level ... which means DISH needs to deliver the channel to ~4 million more subscribers than receive Speed (and if FS 2 comes along for the ride it would jump two tiers).

 

I'll be surprised if FS 1 does not end up in AT120. FS 2 is more of a specialty channel that might get sacrificed to be at AT250/Sports Pack. But not having FS 1 in AT120 does not deliver DISH's 14 million subscribers to complete the 90 million subscribers.


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Posted 15 August 2013 - 01:52 PM

Dish reps on Facebook just confirmed the FS1 deal. It will as expected be on channel 150 and AT 200 and up package. Still no " official " response on FS2

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