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DirecTV CEO: “Never Say Never” To A Merger Deal With Dish Network


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#21 OFFLINE   dpeters11

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Posted 03 August 2013 - 12:02 PM

Well, consider the source, which makes the 93% very suspect to me. And one has to define "broadband".


According to this, 88% if urban households have access to cable broadband and 40% of rural. I'm sure there are areas with cable TV but not cable Internet.

FCC defines broadband as 3Mbit down I believe. They wanted to raise it to 6.

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#22 OFFLINE   inkahauts

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Posted 03 August 2013 - 01:02 PM

It would take ten years or more for these two companies to merger their internal resources and get all their customers onto one system to use. All of one companies customers would have to have their entire system replaced. This would not be easy.

However, they could see cost savings in product developers and negotiating contracts. We would not see price decreases though. Just look at how many gas stations we have on corners today and where prices are today vs 20 years ago.

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Posted 03 August 2013 - 01:07 PM

As I've said, I don't think it'll happen but there is still plenty of competition.  The top ten we could name off the top of our heads and a couple of dozen more.  Competition won't be a problem.

 

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In my area I'm lucky with a choice of four providers. Going down to three would not be good for competition, especially when another one (Frontier FiOS) is trying to get out of the video delivery market.



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Posted 03 August 2013 - 01:36 PM

It would take ten years or more for these two companies to merger their internal resources and get all their customers onto one system to use. All of one companies customers would have to have their entire system replaced. This would not be easy.

However, they could see cost savings in product developers and negotiating contracts. We would not see price decreases though. Just look at how many gas stations we have on corners today and where prices are today vs 20 years ago.

gas prices have a lot of tax also the price of oil and other stuff drive the gas price.


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Posted 03 August 2013 - 01:47 PM

My TV Viewing choices

OTA from NYC or Philadelphia

Cable

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DirecTv

Dishnetwork

 

Broadband Choices

Cable

Fios

DSL

Satellite Broadband

 

 

Off the top of my head that is my list of options.


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Posted 03 August 2013 - 11:26 PM

If DTV and Dish were to merge together, the new company would have more leverage when it comes to carriage deals. It's all about numbers. I think this could cause the content providers to quit being so greedy everytime.



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Posted 04 August 2013 - 12:05 AM

IMHO a merger would be fought tooth-and-nail at the FCC and in Congress by the content providers and the cable companies. The combined customer base would represent a too powerful force in negotiations.

 

That's what I would have said only a few years ago before Comcast took over NBCU. Now, who knows? Congress members aren't cheap, but that's a lot of money the two companies can leverage.


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Posted 04 August 2013 - 12:57 AM

Just how dd the XM Sirus merger work out for the consumer?


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Posted 04 August 2013 - 02:51 AM

I'd rather see DIRECTV buy Netflix and sprint. That would be good strategic moves long term.

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 06:13 AM

Just how dd the XM Sirus merger work out for the consumer?

They didn't raise their prices for three years, a promise they made when the merger was proposed. Since the 2008 merger they have raised the base price from $12.95 to $14.49 a month. A $1.45/mo increase in five years. Not bad.

Although, I'm not sure it's a fair comparison with DIRECTV and Dish. SiriusXM has much more competition...most of which it free.

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 06:18 AM

As I've said, I don't think it'll happen but there is still plenty of competition.  The top ten we could name off the top of our heads and a couple of dozen more.  Competition won't be a problem.

 

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Unless you live in a rural location. DirecTV or Dish is the only option where I live. No cable TV, much less cable broadband. We do have DSL from CenturyLink, when it works. So if you are in rural America, there is virtually no competition. 


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Posted 04 August 2013 - 07:36 AM

Although, I'm not sure it's a fair comparison with DIRECTV and Dish. SiriusXM has much more competition...most of which it free.


SiriusXM took two companies that managed to convince the government that neither would survive without a merger and let them work together as one. At this point neither DirecTV nor DISH are approaching the point of not surviving ... it is an issue where both could make more money by combining operations and reducing competition - not one of survival.

The FCC is still holding out for a new entrant in the satellite TV marketplace (something that could not have happened with Sirius and XM with the way the spectrum was assigned). A merger would probably be good for DirecTV and DISH - but it wouldn't be good for most of their subscribers.
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Posted 04 August 2013 - 08:09 AM

The FCC is still holding out for a new entrant in the satellite TV marketplace (something that could not have happened with Sirius and XM with the way the spectrum was assigned). 

Not doubting you, but how do you know this? 


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Posted 04 August 2013 - 08:39 AM

The FCC still has not permanently assigned DISH the final two transponder slots on 61.5. DISH can use them only under special temporary authority. The FCC's stated reason for not making a permanent assignment was to allow for a new entrant.

What a new entrant will do with only two transponders at 61.5 is a mystery. SkyAngel operated their service off of two transponders (loaning the other six to DISH in exchange for use of the satellite). With MPEG4 someone could put up a small satellite service but with the cost of a satellite they would probably end up leasing transponders from DISH (unless they buy a used satellite).

SkyAngel moved to IPTV (trading LOS issues for lack of broadband service issues) in order to survive. GloryStar remains in business as a FTA option for people wanting that niche of programming. The last small satellite company was Voom ... who could not pull off a successful service with 13 transponders (11 licensed, 2 temporary). I don't see a two transponder operation being feasible but the FCC holds out hope.
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Posted 04 August 2013 - 08:52 AM

Thanks. An interesting situation!


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Posted 04 August 2013 - 10:26 AM

One thing no one has mentioned is that pay TV is a mature market, at least in the US.  Anybody who wants pay TV has it, a new entrant would only take customers from other providers. What advantage is there to anybody in splitting the pie into smaller pieces, especially considering the very high capital costs of setting up a satellite service? Even phone companies have realized that the upgrade costs to their physical plant is not cost effective, Verizon has put FIOS expansion on hold and since the CenturyLink purchase I have not heard a word about Qwest's attempt to get into the TV business.

 

On the competition/pricing issue I am not too concerned as the fact is the great majority of satellite customers are urban and satellite is just a choice, not necessity. As much as I dislike cable I know I would switch if it was 20 -30% cheaper and I doubt they are willing to give up that many customers


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Posted 04 August 2013 - 10:31 AM

They didn't raise their prices for three years, a promise they made when the merger was proposed. Since the 2008 merger they have raised the base price from $12.95 to $14.49 a month. A $1.45/mo increase in five years. Not bad.

Although, I'm not sure it's a fair comparison with DIRECTV and Dish. SiriusXM has much more competition...most of which it free.

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 10:48 AM

since the CenturyLink purchase I have not heard a word about Qwest's attempt to get into the TV business.


CenturyLink has started advertising their new Prism TV here.

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 10:51 AM

They didn't raise their prices for three years, a promise they made when the merger was proposed. Since the 2008 merger they have raised the base price from $12.95 to $14.49 a month. A $1.45/mo increase in five years. Not bad.

Although, I'm not sure it's a fair comparison with DIRECTV and Dish. SiriusXM has much more competition...most of which it free.

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Instead of raising their prices, within a year of the merger they: began charging almost $3 a month for internet access, which was free pre-merger; raised a rates on multiple radios by about 30%; and added a "music royalty fee".  Whether the base price was not changed is meaningless when the out-of-pocket cost post merger was substantially higher than pre-merger for many customers.


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Posted 04 August 2013 - 11:44 AM

On the competition/pricing issue I am not too concerned as the fact is the great majority of satellite customers are urban and satellite is just a choice, not necessity. As much as I dislike cable I know I would switch if it was 20 -30% cheaper and I doubt they are willing to give up that many customers

I doubt that even the majority of sat. subs are urban. Where does this info. come from? 


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