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#1 OFFLINE   bobcnn

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 04:17 PM

Sorry if this has already been posted.

 

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On DirecTV, CBS Sports Network has been on channel 613. No one knows about it, no one goes that high looking for sports and CBS Sports Network doesn't have the content to warrant searching for it.

But the channel is moving to DirecTV channel 221 on Aug. 21



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Posted 17 August 2013 - 05:04 PM

That will be good.

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 06:59 PM

On DirecTV, CBS Sports Network has been on channel 613. No one knows about it, no one goes that high looking for sports and CBS Sports Network doesn't have the content to warrant searching for it.

But the channel is moving to DirecTV channel 221 on Aug. 21

 

I disagree. It is located in the same territory as the RSN's. Of course people know about it. How do you think that the RSN's could survive if people didn't know about them yet the RSN's are also in the 600's? But having said that, I think it does make sense to move them to the low 200's.



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Posted 17 August 2013 - 07:13 PM

Good plan to move it!


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Posted 17 August 2013 - 07:27 PM

Looks like D* has a few open channels in the lower 600's now. I wonder if they'll rearrange that area now?

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Posted 18 August 2013 - 08:55 AM

If they start doing sub channels for the alternates like they've done with MLB on 213, they could clean up the whole 600 area very nicely.


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Posted 18 August 2013 - 10:11 AM

If D* insists on keeping sports in the lower 200's here what they should have done. MAVTV seems like its in the wrong spot between baseball and hockey as it shows a lot of movies.

202 CNN
203 HLN
204 sports mix
205 thru 212 ESPN's (including SEC, Longhorn, ESPN3/Goal Line Buzzer, etc.)
213 NFL
214 Baseball
215 NHL
216 NBA
217 Tennis
218 Golf
219 NBCSN
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Posted 18 August 2013 - 10:32 AM

Anyone who watches sports knows to look in the 600s.  beIn sports is 620, Universal sports is 625 FS2 is 618, plus all of the RSNs are in the 600s.

 

If it is Choice without the sports pack, it could be in the 200s, but if it requires the sports pack or a higher basic package, then it belongs in the 600s.  To say that no one looks in the 600s for sports, though, is not true.  Sports are the only thing in the 600s.



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Posted 18 August 2013 - 11:14 AM

Maybe what they should do is keep only the RSN's in the 600 range and the nationals in 200's. That's what it looks like they are doing gradually.


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Posted 18 August 2013 - 11:20 AM

Anyone who watches sports knows to look in the 600s.  beIn sports is 620, Universal sports is 625 FS2 is 618, plus all of the RSNs are in the 600s.

 

If it is Choice without the sports pack, it could be in the 200s, but if it requires the sports pack or a higher basic package, then it belongs in the 600s.  To say that no one looks in the 600s for sports, though, is not true.  Sports are the only thing in the 600s.

 

I will browse the 200s sports channels to see if there's anything interesting on. I NEVER look at the 600s unless I go there to watch a game I know is on ahead of time.



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Posted 18 August 2013 - 11:42 AM

I will browse the 200s sports channels to see if there's anything interesting on. I NEVER look at the 600s unless I go there to watch a game I know is on ahead of time.

 

Sounds like a personal problem. Why would you ignore programming you have?


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Posted 18 August 2013 - 11:44 AM

If D* insists on keeping sports in the lower 200's here what they should have done. MAVTV seems like its in the wrong spot between baseball and hockey as it shows a lot of movies.

202 CNN
203 HLN
204 sports mix
205 thru 212 ESPN's (including SEC, Longhorn, ESPN3/Goal Line Buzzer, etc.)
213 NFL
214 Baseball
215 NHL
216 NBA
217 Tennis
218 Golf
219 NBCSN
220 Universal Sports Network (if its not sports pack only)
221 FS1
222 FS2
223 CBS Sports Network
224 MAVTV

I totally agree with the move of CBS Sports to the 200 range of channels.  Glad someone in programming has seen fit to make the move.  Your list is okay but CNN and HLN should be with the other news channels. They just don't belong in those slots anymore. (Why?  A lot of us still channel surf and when big news is happening its easier to surf between the 3 major news channels (Cnn, Msnbc and Satan [Fox News]. 



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Posted 18 August 2013 - 11:51 AM

Maybe what they should do is keep only the RSN's in the 600 range and the nationals in 200's. That's what it looks like they are doing gradually.


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If they get rid of all the alternates that clutter up the 600s and treated them as sub-channels like MLB on 213-1 now, they may have enough room for national and regionals in the 600s.

 

A quick count shows about 40-50 "real" channels in the 600s right now. The count is imprecise because I am trying to count part time but non-alternates that serve a subregion like FSOK as a real channel but not MASN2, which is really an alternate of the main channel.

 

National channels starting at 600. RSNs starting at 630 or so.

 

The problem is the ESPN placement, which is contractual, I would guess. But ESPN has been moved on other systems and ESPN-HD used to be in the 70's, not 206, so anything is possible.

 

I am hoping that the non-existence of the BTN alternatives right now means they are going to become 610-1, 610-2, etc., which makes more sense than all the numbers scattered around.


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Posted 18 August 2013 - 12:50 PM

If they get rid of all the alternates that clutter up the 600s and treated them as sub-channels like MLB on 213-1 now, they may have enough room for national and regionals in the 600s.

 

A quick count shows about 40-50 "real" channels in the 600s right now. The count is imprecise because I am trying to count part time but non-alternates that serve a subregion like FSOK as a real channel but not MASN2, which is really an alternate of the main channel.

 

National channels starting at 600. RSNs starting at 630 or so.

 

The problem is the ESPN placement, which is contractual, I would guess. But ESPN has been moved on other systems and ESPN-HD used to be in the 70's, not 206, so anything is possible.

 

I am hoping that the non-existence of the BTN alternatives right now means they are going to become 610-1, 610-2, etc., which makes more sense than all the numbers scattered around.

When you highlight a channel's number/call sign in the guide, the name of the channel appears at the top of the screen.  Before the BTN alternates disappeared, the channel name of one of them was something like "Big Ten Network Alt (610-3)."  This was pointed out in the thread about Fox Sports 1.  So yes, it appears that DirecTV will indeed use 610-x for the BTN alts.

 

ESPN's contract with DirecTV supposedly ends next year.  If DirecTV can convince ESPN to alow them to move the channel suite to the 600's, then I can see them placing all the sports channels in that range.  If ESPN does not go along, however, the situation will remain as it is now (and as it has always been from day one).



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Posted 18 August 2013 - 01:26 PM

When you highlight a channel's number/call sign in the guide, the name of the channel appears at the top of the screen.  Before the BTN alternates disappeared, the channel name of one of them was something like "Big Ten Network Alt (610-3)."  This was pointed out in the thread about Fox Sports 1.  So yes, it appears that DirecTV will indeed use 610-x for the BTN alts.


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Posted 18 August 2013 - 02:28 PM

I totally agree with the move of CBS Sports to the 200 range of channels.  Glad someone in programming has seen fit to make the move.  Your list is okay but CNN and HLN should be with the other news channels. They just don't belong in those slots anymore. (Why?  A lot of us still channel surf and when big news is happening its easier to surf between the 3 major news channels (Cnn, Msnbc and Satan [Fox News]


I think the CNN placement is in their contract, as with ESPN.

If they get rid of all the alternates that clutter up the 600s and treated them as sub-channels like MLB on 213-1 now, they may have enough room for national and regionals in the 600s.


+1 They could remap the ones in the 200's to the start of the 600's and still have room for the ALT's if they use the -1's.

BTW, does anyone know how channel "reassignment" works? Did FS1 and CBS ask to be moved there or did D* ask if they could move them there?

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Posted 18 August 2013 - 03:03 PM

Sounds like a personal problem. Why would you ignore programming you have?

 

Pretty simple. I have other things going on in my life. I watch too much sports as-is with season tickets to two local teams and the occasional sports I watch in the 200s. Also, there's a ton of programming I have, but never watch. I don't watch most channels I get, but to get the channels I do watch I need to buy the others.  :)



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Posted 18 August 2013 - 03:55 PM

The sports all need to be together, regardless of content, language, and regional restrictions. I would love to see all the soccer (or soccer-heavy Spanish sports channels) all together. All the ESPNs together (Deportes and classic need not be so far from the others.) FCS in a row. You know - logic.


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Posted 18 August 2013 - 05:22 PM

I use to watch Jim Rome regularly when he was on ESPN but ever since he went to CBSPN, I even forgot that he still existed.

 

CBSPN is like the Island of Misfit toys when it comes to sports programming and viewership.

 

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Posted 18 August 2013 - 08:03 PM

RSNs in one place the rest in another is fine by me. But I have a feeling its actually headed towards popular and general sports channels in the low 200 and rsns and niche channels in the 600.

Now that all receivers can do the epg can they all get the dash channels? If so that opens a lot of options on how they do things.


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Posted 18 August 2013 - 09:26 PM

Looks like D* has a few open channels in the lower 600's now. I wonder if they'll rearrange that area now?

Perceivably, TheRatPatrol, DirecTV could take national sports programmers from the 600s, which are not including multi-regional college sports and regional sports screens, and move those national sports to the first section of the 200s (along with the other grouping which currently and sequentially starts with ESPN).

 

The following would be considered for such moves:

602 TVG

604 Pursuit Channel

605 Sportsman Channel

606 Outdoor Channel

613 CBS Sports Network (already reported)

614 ESPN Classic

618 Fox Sports 2

620 beIN Sport

624 Fox Deportes

625 Universal Sports

 

Fox Soccer Channel, which is not included here, goes away in early-September for replacement by the debuting, general entertainment FXX. The "Soccer" part will move to Fox Sports 1 and Fox Sports 2. The multi-regional college sports remaining would be Big Ten Network (five screens) and Fox College Sports (Atlantic, Central, Pacific).

 

Those listed above are a numerical ten [10]. In the channel ranges of the 220s, they can fit. One may also surmise that finally moving CNN and Headline News out of chs. 202 and 204 into a block group with cable news and public-interest programmers could finally materialize. That may allow, under this scenario, DirecTV to move up ESPN from ch. 206 to 201. (All ESPN screens can fit from chs. 201 to 209 or 210. Include with this ESPN Deportes and the non-carried ESPN Goal Line/Buzzer Beater. But Longhorn Network, also not yet carried, would be in the 600s.) And it can result in a move of "Sports Mix" from ch. 205 to 200.) And from chs. 201 to 230, a lot of national sports could be accommodated. In fact, more can be adjusted with those beginning at chs. 229 (Home & Garden Television) through the 250 (empty or occupied) for national sports (with or without multi-regional college sports such as Big Ten Network, Fox College Sports and, as I think will it eventually get added, Pac-12 Network). Hell, DirecTV could take the Distant Networks in the tail end of the 300s and move those up to channel ranges of the 80s and 90s (for coverage of news/public interest and religious programming much already in that numerical section).

 

Lots can be done.

 

I think what should happen is that DirecTV should do a realignment. The last major one was in 1999. There weren't as many regional sports programmers, along with alternatives and overflows, back then. We didn't have Big Ten Network and Pac-12 Network (which combine for 12 screens). We didn't have as much in the way of the expansion of regional sports (which include foreign-language feeds like Time Warner Cable Deportes). Numerically, they add up to a lot of individual slots. And, whether this puts me in the minority, I will say here that the use of the dash-one ["-1"] is inconvenient and irritating. (Most subscribers and viewers don't want to commit them to memory. As example, my area Fox Sports Detroit is on ch. 663. SD and HD. But to go to the alternative, Fox Sports Detroit Plus, I have to add a dash-one for the high-def feed. Ch. 664-1. Dumb!)

 

I have suggested it here before. And much of my inspiration for a mapping comes from AT&T U-verse. Right now, AT&T U-verse has a one-hundred block for regional sports and a one-hundred block for national sports. (Seasonal-subscription sports are in four-digit numbers.) DirecTV can do this. Or DirecTV can also decide to expand its one-hundred block into a two-hundred block for the seasonal-subscription sports screens. Would NFL Sunday Ticket, MLB Extra Innings, NHL Center Ice, and NBA League Pass, suffice given other seasonal-sports packages? One may also want to consider the period we're now in (which includes not just three- but four-digit channel numbering).

 

These latest of sports moves seems like a delay of the inevitable. The regional sports are growing. To keep the split system (some in the 200s; some in the 600s), and not to employ an organized mapping that is logical, is just a waste of time. DirecTV could eliminate the current occupants of the channel ranges of the 900s and replace that block with the premium-movie programmers. DirecTV could take those audio music from the 800s and move those, along with the pay-per-views (from the 100s), into four-digit numbers. And DirecTV could have a three- or (as I would suggest) four-hundred block of sports programming: 500 (Regional); 600 (National & Multi-Regional College); 700/800 (Seasonal-Subscription). People viewing their preferred sports wouldn't have trouble following their regional sports (in the 500s) and seguing into the 600s (beginning with ESPN) and navigating the rest of the lineup (including an optional seasonal-sports subscription).

 

I don't think this is the most complex thing [un]imaginable.



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Posted 18 August 2013 - 11:24 PM

Perceivably, TheRatPatrol, DirecTV could take national sports programmers from the 600s, which are not including multi-regional college sports and regional sports screens, and move those national sports to the first section of the 200s (along with the other grouping which currently and sequentially starts with ESPN).

 

The following would be considered for such moves:

602 TVG

604 Pursuit Channel

605 Sportsman Channel

606 Outdoor Channel

613 CBS Sports Network (already reported)

614 ESPN Classic

618 Fox Sports 2

620 beIN Sport

624 Fox Deportes

625 Universal Sports

 

Fox Soccer Channel, which is not included here, goes away in early-September for replacement by the debuting, general entertainment FXX. The "Soccer" part will move to Fox Sports 1 and Fox Sports 2. The multi-regional college sports remaining would be Big Ten Network (five screens) and Fox College Sports (Atlantic, Central, Pacific).

 

Those listed above are a numerical ten [10]. In the channel ranges of the 220s, they can fit. One may also surmise that finally moving CNN and Headline News out of chs. 202 and 204 into a block group with cable news and public-interest programmers could finally materialize. That may allow, under this scenario, DirecTV to move up ESPN from ch. 206 to 201. (All ESPN screens can fit from chs. 201 to 209 or 210. Include with this ESPN Deportes and the non-carried ESPN Goal Line/Buzzer Beater. But Longhorn Network, also not yet carried, would be in the 600s.) And it can result in a move of "Sports Mix" from ch. 205 to 200.) And from chs. 201 to 230, a lot of national sports could be accommodated. In fact, more can be adjusted with those beginning at chs. 229 (Home & Garden Television) through the 250 (empty or occupied) for national sports (with or without multi-regional college sports such as Big Ten Network, Fox College Sports and, as I think will it eventually get added, Pac-12 Network). Hell, DirecTV could take the Distant Networks in the tail end of the 300s and move those up to channel ranges of the 80s and 90s (for coverage of news/public interest and religious programming much already in that numerical section).

 

Lots can be done.

 

I think what should happen is that DirecTV should do a realignment. The last major one was in 1999. There weren't as many regional sports programmers, along with alternatives and overflows, back then. We didn't have Big Ten Network and Pac-12 Network (which combine for 12 screens). We didn't have as much in the way of the expansion of regional sports (which include foreign-language feeds like Time Warner Cable Deportes). Numerically, they add up to a lot of individual slots. And, whether this puts me in the minority, I will say here that the use of the dash-one ["-1"] is inconvenient and irritating. (Most subscribers and viewers don't want to commit them to memory. As example, my area Fox Sports Detroit is on ch. 663. SD and HD. But to go to the alternative, Fox Sports Detroit Plus, I have to add a dash-one for the high-def feed. Ch. 664-1. Dumb!)

 

I have suggested it here before. And much of my inspiration for a mapping comes from AT&T U-verse. Right now, AT&T U-verse has a one-hundred block for regional sports and a one-hundred block for national sports. (Seasonal-subscription sports are in four-digit numbers.) DirecTV can do this. Or DirecTV can also decide to expand its one-hundred block into a two-hundred block for the seasonal-subscription sports screens. Would NFL Sunday Ticket, MLB Extra Innings, NHL Center Ice, and NBA League Pass, suffice given other seasonal-sports packages? One may also want to consider the period we're now in (which includes not just three- but four-digit channel numbering).

 

These latest of sports moves seems like a delay of the inevitable. The regional sports are growing. To keep the split system (some in the 200s; some in the 600s), and not to employ an organized mapping that is logical, is just a waste of time. DirecTV could eliminate the current occupants of the channel ranges of the 900s and replace that block with the premium-movie programmers. DirecTV could take those audio music from the 800s and move those, along with the pay-per-views (from the 100s), into four-digit numbers. And DirecTV could have a three- or (as I would suggest) four-hundred block of sports programming: 500 (Regional); 600 (National & Multi-Regional College); 700/800 (Seasonal-Subscription). People viewing their preferred sports wouldn't have trouble following their regional sports (in the 500s) and seguing into the 600s (beginning with ESPN) and navigating the rest of the lineup (including an optional seasonal-sports subscription).

 

I don't think this is the most complex thing [un]imaginable.

I also want to see local NON OTA NON sports channels added channels like the local news channels. maybe even other stuff like weatherscan or even some of national OTA sub channels.


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Posted 19 August 2013 - 06:32 AM

I have a totally different view.  If a sports channel is in English and available nationally in a basic package, then it belongs in the 200s.  If it is in Spanish it belongs in the 400s.  If it requires the sports pack to see it (including the RSNs that are basic in-market but require the sports pack out-of-market), then it belongs in the 600s.



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Posted 19 August 2013 - 07:13 AM

I have a totally different view.  If a sports channel is in English and available nationally in a basic package, then it belongs in the 200s.  If it is in Spanish it belongs in the 400s.  If it requires the sports pack to see it (including the RSNs that are basic in-market but require the sports pack out-of-market), then it belongs in the 600s.

 

Um... that's the way it's done now, for the most part. And it makes no sense.

Any idea why CBSSN didn't move?


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Posted 19 August 2013 - 07:26 AM

Um... that's the way it's done now, for the most part. And it makes no sense.

 

It makes perfect sense to me.  Why put non-basic channels or foreign language channels in the 200s?  It makes more sense to me to group channels by the package they are in.  I have no problem going to 618 to find FS2, 620 to find beIn Sports, or 625 to find Universal Sports.  If I did not have the sports pack, I would not want them cluttering up the 200s.  I have no interest at all in Spanish language channels, but for those who do want them, they should all be placed together.

 

 

Any idea why CBSSN didn't move?

 

Because it is not August 21 yet.  The move is scheduled for Wednesday.






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