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Al Jazeera America (AJAM) Prepares To Launch


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#41 OFFLINE   AntAltMike

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 06:52 AM

Al Jazerra English, which is the version that was being broadcast for free until it went off the air last week, was carrying features that American cable networks were not carrying, and their on site coverage of coups was second to none.  Anyone who desires to watch such programming will watch it on Al Jazerra America if it continues to be covered and presented the same way.  A person who samples Al Jazerra America is not going to switch back to Nancy Grace just because her show has better quality cameras or studio mikes.

 

CNN dropped Headline News half hour reports back around 2006 because it was drawing about 200,000 viewers.  It immediately doubled that with its tabloid shows, and can triple or quadruple that any time an attractive young white female is wronged.  Anyone who might want to learn of the weather forecast within the next half hour can access it immediately through other means.  Similarly, ESPN and CNN dropped their 11:00 PM sports shows long ago because the viewers who wanted that information could get it earlier than 11:00 PM, and Nightline only dragged on as long as it did because of Ted Koppel and because ABC then clung to that half hour as long and hard as it could, but Nightline really became a superfluous and inconvenient place for news junkies to see important issues discussed at length when those same issues had already been expounded upon dispassionately by the PBS New Hour and then politicized by the cable news prime time shows.

 

In my opinion, Al Jazerra shouldn't be looking for someone more famous than Soledad OBrien.  It should be looking for someone less famous.  But that is why I am installing satellite reception antennas for a living instead of making television network hiring decisions.  The people I'd hire would be ratings busts.  Russia Today has given Larry King his old prime time interview slot back, and the interviews of his that I've seen had no news or Russian angle to them.  They were just whatever Russia Today determined would draw the largest audience.  I remember when the History Channel ran Dirty Harry.  It must have been part of an anthology series on the American cinema's portrayal of "blowing away punk".  I think they showed WWF or WWE fake wrestling a few months after that.  I hope Al Jazerra America holds true to its mission of showing world news from a non-USA perspective, but at least in the short run, it has to first secure its place in cable "Basic" and "Expanded Basic" tiers, which it can most effectively do by looking and sounding like all the other successful channels.  Unfortunately, once they have accomplished that, I don't think they will ever be able to go back.


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 05:54 PM

Please keep politics out of this thread - or you too may see your posts disappear.
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Posted 29 August 2013 - 06:03 PM

A person who samples Al Jazerra America is not going to switch back to Nancy Grace just because her show has better quality cameras or studio mikes.


True. The random channel scanning viewer may skip over the channel because it is not in HD, or because some opinion about the set design, or because of some opinion about the channel's "hidden motivation" - but they will earn their viewers the same way any other channel does. By giving their viewers the perspective that they are looking for.



Similarly, ESPN and CNN dropped their 11:00 PM sports shows long ago because the viewers who wanted that information could get it earlier than 11:00 PM, ...

And yet one of Fox Sports 1's anchor shows is an 11:00pm sports show. :)
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Posted 29 August 2013 - 06:08 PM

ESPN has Keith Olberman

 

  Similarly, ESPN and CNN dropped their 11:00 PM sports shows long ago because the viewers who wanted that information could get it earlier than 11:00 PM,

 

BUT, ESPN just rehired Keith Olbermann back and his show is as good as it was in the mid 2000's.


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Posted 05 September 2013 - 03:13 AM

ABC News reported last night and again this morning that George Zimmerman was ticketed for driving 60 miles per hour on a roadway that has a 45 MPH speed limit.  Al Jazerra missed that story.


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Posted 05 September 2013 - 05:18 AM

A news channel can't pick up everything. And really, how many people care?

 

As for the production value, in the early days of MSNBC, before they went all news/talking head, I remember various issues. Three days after launch was TWA 800 and Brian Williams almost lost it trying to get a computer and a failure of their call screener. I'm sure AJA will improve.



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Posted 05 September 2013 - 05:50 AM

I believe that was his point - that ABC covered a ZImmerman speeding ticket TWICE and AJA (properly, IMO) saw it as not being worthy of nationwide news coverage.



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Posted 05 September 2013 - 05:57 AM

I believe that was his point -....

High School girl, on way to graduation, makes sarcastic remark, which her obtuse boyfriend takes literally.

 

High School girl, miffed, says, "I was beng ironic"

 

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 02:38 PM

:thats: Well said, George!


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Posted 11 September 2013 - 12:32 PM

It was the only funny line in the eight episodes that were aired before the show was canceled.


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Posted 18 September 2013 - 04:49 AM

Who cares about THE AMERICAN VERSION of this network..... ALL THAT WILL BE ON IT IS USA DISINFORMATION!! (Like every MSM network in this country)

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 06:15 AM

I streamed countless hours of AJE on my Roku during the Egypt uprisings, and it was fascinating to watch, uninterrupted and in near real time.



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Posted 18 September 2013 - 06:40 AM

Legend:  You have no idea what you're talking about.

 

They covered the Zadroga bill when nobody else would.

 

They refused to cover Zimmerman's speeding ticket when everyone else covered it.



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Posted 18 September 2013 - 07:01 AM

Legend:  You have no idea what you're talking about.

 

They covered the Zadroga bill when nobody else would.

 

They refused to cover Zimmerman's speeding ticket when everyone else covered it.

 

I have watched Al Jazerra for quite a few hours since it came on DISH.  I am very impressed with what they are doing.  There is minimal hype/fluff and mostly NEWS.  It reminds me of what CNN was 15-20 years ago before they started chasing ratings and going for the lowest common viewer.


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Posted 18 September 2013 - 01:25 PM

What's frustrating... Dish is inserting ads into various channels to advertise this news channel... and the ads they are inserting are in HD!  But when you tune to the channel itself and see the non-glorious SD... you get sad.


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Posted 18 September 2013 - 01:38 PM

What's frustrating... Dish is inserting ads into various channels to advertise this news channel... and the ads they are inserting are in HD!  But when you tune to the channel itself and see the non-glorious SD... you get sad.

DirecTV does it, too. :(


If you stop responding to them or put them on ignore, then eventually they'll go away.

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 03:26 PM

I liked AJ English better.  ron



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Posted 18 September 2013 - 03:52 PM

What's frustrating... Dish is inserting ads into various channels to advertise this news channel... and the ads they are inserting are in HD!  But when you tune to the channel itself and see the non-glorious SD... you get sad.


DISH has not even bothered to change the channel name from current. The logo disappeared ... but now the current logo is back.
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Posted 18 September 2013 - 09:36 PM

DISH has not even bothered to change the channel name from current. The logo disappeared ... but now the current logo is back.

Which makes it now one of the most ironically labelled channels in the EPG... since "Current" is no longer current!


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Posted 19 September 2013 - 05:13 AM

So far, I like what I see on AJAM - though I can't say I've spent a lot of time watching.  But I have to say that I *really* want this in HD.  They have some documentaries running overnight that are more difficult to watch when one has been spoiled by HD.  If I have a content-based frustration it's that, if I'm looking for a news summary at any given time, I might have to sit through scheduled programming (interview shows, etc) first.  I'm getting greedy here, but a version of AJAM modeled after what CNN-HN *used* to be (a half-hour repeating program updated as events warrant) would work.

 

Yeah, I'm spoiled and greedy :)

 

But I'd rather end on an upbeat note and say that AJAM is a good start and I'd like to see more of it.






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