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#41 OFFLINE   Doug Brott

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 01:53 PM

They are smart, they can figure out how to insert local commercials if that's what's required.


Wouldn't the IPTV provider be getting the ad money in that case rather than the local channel?
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Posted 21 August 2013 - 01:57 PM

Wouldn't the IPTV provider be getting the ad money in that case rather than the local channel?

 

Not if the contracts are structured in such a way that protects the local affiliates.



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Posted 21 August 2013 - 02:00 PM

I wonder about them wanting someone to partner with that would allow them to stream every single game...... In non us markets. Expand the reach globally. They already are playing one or two games overseas. How long before try want to expand and have a European nfl league and then have a international championship game?


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 02:01 PM

Not if the contracts are structured in such a way that protects the local affiliates.

 

That would be the only advantage to local commercials. There is no real advantage to having them from the Google (or someone else) view. There are very few local spots on NFL coverage anyway. I doubt that will change much as the demand from national advertisers is not going to drop off any time soon.


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 02:02 PM

I wonder about them wanting someone to partner with that would allow them to stream every single game...... In non us markets. Expand the reach globally. They already are playing one or two games overseas. How long before try want to expand and have a European nfl league and then have a international championship game?


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You may have hit on something. That may be where the talks lead. Not US but international. We know that the current commish has a hard on for international football.


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 02:09 PM

That would be the only advantage to local commercials. There is no real advantage to having them from the Google (or someone else) view. There are very few local spots on NFL coverage anyway. I doubt that will change much as the demand from national advertisers is not going to drop off any time soon.

 

I agree. The only point I was making is that the argument that "the NFL Sunday Ticket can't be more widespread because of the damage to local affiliates" can be solved by other means. Maybe a portion of the subscriber cost goes to his/her local affiliate. Many ways to solve solve most "issues."



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Posted 21 August 2013 - 02:21 PM

I agree. The only point I was making is that the argument that "the NFL Sunday Ticket can't be more widespread because of the damage to local affiliates" can be solved by other means. Maybe a portion of the subscriber cost goes to his/her local affiliate. Many ways to solve solve most "issues."

 

It is not just commercials and ad time. It is also ratings. They would have to have a mechanism to handle distributing ratings out to the locals, which does not currently exist in the Nielsen model. It is beyond the NFL, Google or the affiliates themselves. It would be a change in the entire rating system at another level. Maybe it will change someday but not in the next year or two.


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 02:25 PM

But it will kill the subscriber rate at bars/casinos/clubs, etc.   Which is where DirecTV makes the majority of the money from on Sunday Ticket if you believe what is posted around here.

 

If everyone has Sunday Ticket at their own home, why would they want to go to a bar to watch the game.  If the bar doesn't get more customers by having Sunday Ticket then why would they bother subscribing to Sunday Ticket, or for that matter why have DirecTV service at all......

 

 

It is not just commercials and ad time. It is also ratings. They would have to have a mechanism to handle distributing ratings out to the locals, which does not currently exist in the Nielsen model. It is beyond the NFL, Google or the affiliates themselves. It would be a change in the entire rating system at another level. Maybe it will change someday but not in the next year or two.

 

The Nielsen rating model is so outdated I would be ecstatic if something like this happened if it meant that system would finally get tossed out.


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 02:25 PM

I wonder about them wanting someone to partner with that would allow them to stream every single game...... In non us markets. Expand the reach globally. They already are playing one or two games overseas. How long before try want to expand and have a European nfl league and then have a international championship game?

They already do, Neulion provides NFL Game Pass for viewers outside of the USA and Canada. It streams every NFL game, live audio play by play along with NFL Network and Redzone.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 02:28 PM

I think it's going to take an IPTV provider (not U-Verse or FIOS) to start requiring GPS chips in their devices before anything like this can happen.

 

You missunderstand, internet service providers are gonna change the caps again if this happens and even if they dont, streaming all the games in HD would really rack up the usage towards those caps.


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 02:45 PM

You know what has to be on the mind of the commissioner: young viewers, who grew up on Youtube, XBox, streaming, etc., tomorrow's audience.

Smart move Mr. Goodell.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 03:02 PM

I have heard "Streaming all of the games in HD will kill everyone's cap" several times in this thread.  Would that happen?  I mean, as much as everyone thinks?  When I have NFLST I only really "watch" 1 game at a time. Perhaps if I had a Genie I would have 1 game in the window and 1 in the main screen.  But I find myself jumping around to games instead of recording all of the games and trying to manage the jump around there.  Wouldn't it be essentially the same if Google were streaming games to our homes?  If they were to have some sort of "DVRing" of all of the games, wouldn't they handle that on their end?  And even so, I would think the viewer would have to exit the game they are watching and resume watching the other game they had "recording".  All games currently in progress wouldn't be automatically pushed to each viewer, would they? 

 

I dunno.  I personally don't see IPTV delivery of NFL games (games that viewers like me want to see on big screens in our living room, in clear HD) happening for quite awhile now.  I know MLB and NHL offer online delivery of games, but the few games I've watched via MLBTV were glitchy and blocky at best.  Terrible trick play functionality.  And I always watched those on my small(ish) 15 inch computer screen.  I wouldn't have wanted to watch those output on my 55 inch LCD.  (Yes, I've always had a great cable internet connection ~ 20mbps)


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 03:34 PM

I know last year my kids were streaming Netflix and I was watching 1 MLB game in HD a night and we were using 350-450 gig a month.  I had no cap at that time but it was affecting all internet in the house too.  I dont know of alot of plans that allow for that much use.  I know it was more then just the MLB games that was used but I was watching one a night and most would watch the early and afternoon NFL games would double that internet usage. 


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 03:44 PM

I know last year my kids were streaming Netflix and I was watching 1 MLB game in HD a night and we were using 350-450 gig a month.  I had no cap at that time but it was affecting all internet in the house too.  I dont know of alot of plans that allow for that much use.  I know it was more then just the MLB games that was used but I was watching one a night and most would watch the early and afternoon NFL games would double that internet usage. 

That don't make sense, that is way to much. Someone is downloading torrents or a ton of other stuff, or you are not secure and your neighbors are stealing bandwidth.


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 04:09 PM

But it will kill the subscriber rate at bars/casinos/clubs, etc.   Which is where DirecTV makes the majority of the money from on Sunday Ticket if you believe what is posted around here.

 

If everyone has Sunday Ticket at their own home, why would they want to go to a bar to watch the game.  If the bar doesn't get more customers by having Sunday Ticket then why would they bother subscribing to Sunday Ticket, or for that matter why have DirecTV service at all......

 

 

 

The Nielsen rating model is so outdated I would be ecstatic if something like this happened if it meant that system would finally get tossed out.

 

Who says that everyone would want to pay the price? Do you think that everyone who goes to a bar to watch the games has no access to DirecTV? The bar also has the advantage of running all games at once on large TVs. Who has that at home (yes, I know some of our members come close). Why, a lot of bars show the LOCAL games now.

 

Heck, I can buy booze a lot cheaper and drink at home but bars are somehow still packed.

 

As for Nielsen, I agree. It would be nice to be replaced. But the NFL is not big enough to displace the entire entertainment industry ratings model. Not by itself. Eventually it will have to change. Either Nielsen will keep up or be replaced. But the NFL ST is not going to make it happen.


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 05:47 PM

The NHL, MLB and NBA do it now, why couldn't the NFL?

At the same time at an commercial place at home 1-2 games ok on most ISP's.


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 05:49 PM

But it will kill the subscriber rate at bars/casinos/clubs, etc.   Which is where DirecTV makes the majority of the money from on Sunday Ticket if you believe what is posted around here.

 

If everyone has Sunday Ticket at their own home, why would they want to go to a bar to watch the game.  If the bar doesn't get more customers by having Sunday Ticket then why would they bother subscribing to Sunday Ticket, or for that matter why have DirecTV service at all......

 

 

 

The Nielsen rating model is so outdated I would be ecstatic if something like this happened if it meant that system would finally get tossed out.

NV casinos let bet on the games and you can go there sit down and watch games all day.


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 10:16 PM

That don't make sense, that is way to much. Someone is downloading torrents or a ton of other stuff, or you are not secure and your neighbors are stealing bandwidth.

 Neither are true.  My network is secured and we do not download torrents in this house.


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 11:31 PM

You missunderstand, internet service providers are gonna change the caps again if this happens and even if they dont, streaming all the games in HD would really rack up the usage towards those caps.

 

I understood but there's also no way they would let it go to a mainstream system without being able to protect the blackout rules. Right now online makes up so little that it's not worth enforcing due to cost. If it was a primary delivery system they would start to crack down on that and the only way is going to be gps.


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 05:48 AM

I understood but there's also no way they would let it go to a mainstream system without being able to protect the blackout rules. Right now online makes up so little that it's not worth enforcing due to cost. If it was a primary delivery system they would start to crack down on that and the only way is going to be gps.


Wouldn't be difficult to solve if you think about it.

For example, they could use your billing address, no GPS required.




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