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Google, NFL meeting reportedly includes Sunday Ticket discussions


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#51 OFFLINE   Bambler

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 02:45 PM

You know what has to be on the mind of the commissioner: young viewers, who grew up on Youtube, XBox, streaming, etc., tomorrow's audience.

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#52 OFFLINE   mrdobolina

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 03:02 PM

I have heard "Streaming all of the games in HD will kill everyone's cap" several times in this thread.  Would that happen?  I mean, as much as everyone thinks?  When I have NFLST I only really "watch" 1 game at a time. Perhaps if I had a Genie I would have 1 game in the window and 1 in the main screen.  But I find myself jumping around to games instead of recording all of the games and trying to manage the jump around there.  Wouldn't it be essentially the same if Google were streaming games to our homes?  If they were to have some sort of "DVRing" of all of the games, wouldn't they handle that on their end?  And even so, I would think the viewer would have to exit the game they are watching and resume watching the other game they had "recording".  All games currently in progress wouldn't be automatically pushed to each viewer, would they? 

 

I dunno.  I personally don't see IPTV delivery of NFL games (games that viewers like me want to see on big screens in our living room, in clear HD) happening for quite awhile now.  I know MLB and NHL offer online delivery of games, but the few games I've watched via MLBTV were glitchy and blocky at best.  Terrible trick play functionality.  And I always watched those on my small(ish) 15 inch computer screen.  I wouldn't have wanted to watch those output on my 55 inch LCD.  (Yes, I've always had a great cable internet connection ~ 20mbps)


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 03:34 PM

I know last year my kids were streaming Netflix and I was watching 1 MLB game in HD a night and we were using 350-450 gig a month.  I had no cap at that time but it was affecting all internet in the house too.  I dont know of alot of plans that allow for that much use.  I know it was more then just the MLB games that was used but I was watching one a night and most would watch the early and afternoon NFL games would double that internet usage. 


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 03:44 PM

I know last year my kids were streaming Netflix and I was watching 1 MLB game in HD a night and we were using 350-450 gig a month.  I had no cap at that time but it was affecting all internet in the house too.  I dont know of alot of plans that allow for that much use.  I know it was more then just the MLB games that was used but I was watching one a night and most would watch the early and afternoon NFL games would double that internet usage. 

That don't make sense, that is way to much. Someone is downloading torrents or a ton of other stuff, or you are not secure and your neighbors are stealing bandwidth.


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 04:09 PM

But it will kill the subscriber rate at bars/casinos/clubs, etc.   Which is where DirecTV makes the majority of the money from on Sunday Ticket if you believe what is posted around here.

 

If everyone has Sunday Ticket at their own home, why would they want to go to a bar to watch the game.  If the bar doesn't get more customers by having Sunday Ticket then why would they bother subscribing to Sunday Ticket, or for that matter why have DirecTV service at all......

 

 

 

The Nielsen rating model is so outdated I would be ecstatic if something like this happened if it meant that system would finally get tossed out.

 

Who says that everyone would want to pay the price? Do you think that everyone who goes to a bar to watch the games has no access to DirecTV? The bar also has the advantage of running all games at once on large TVs. Who has that at home (yes, I know some of our members come close). Why, a lot of bars show the LOCAL games now.

 

Heck, I can buy booze a lot cheaper and drink at home but bars are somehow still packed.

 

As for Nielsen, I agree. It would be nice to be replaced. But the NFL is not big enough to displace the entire entertainment industry ratings model. Not by itself. Eventually it will have to change. Either Nielsen will keep up or be replaced. But the NFL ST is not going to make it happen.


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 05:47 PM

The NHL, MLB and NBA do it now, why couldn't the NFL?

At the same time at an commercial place at home 1-2 games ok on most ISP's.


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 05:49 PM

But it will kill the subscriber rate at bars/casinos/clubs, etc.   Which is where DirecTV makes the majority of the money from on Sunday Ticket if you believe what is posted around here.

 

If everyone has Sunday Ticket at their own home, why would they want to go to a bar to watch the game.  If the bar doesn't get more customers by having Sunday Ticket then why would they bother subscribing to Sunday Ticket, or for that matter why have DirecTV service at all......

 

 

 

The Nielsen rating model is so outdated I would be ecstatic if something like this happened if it meant that system would finally get tossed out.

NV casinos let bet on the games and you can go there sit down and watch games all day.


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 10:16 PM

That don't make sense, that is way to much. Someone is downloading torrents or a ton of other stuff, or you are not secure and your neighbors are stealing bandwidth.

 Neither are true.  My network is secured and we do not download torrents in this house.


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 11:31 PM

You missunderstand, internet service providers are gonna change the caps again if this happens and even if they dont, streaming all the games in HD would really rack up the usage towards those caps.

 

I understood but there's also no way they would let it go to a mainstream system without being able to protect the blackout rules. Right now online makes up so little that it's not worth enforcing due to cost. If it was a primary delivery system they would start to crack down on that and the only way is going to be gps.


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 05:48 AM

I understood but there's also no way they would let it go to a mainstream system without being able to protect the blackout rules. Right now online makes up so little that it's not worth enforcing due to cost. If it was a primary delivery system they would start to crack down on that and the only way is going to be gps.


Wouldn't be difficult to solve if you think about it.

For example, they could use your billing address, no GPS required.

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 05:58 AM

The more I think about this, the more sense it makes.

However, I think ideally the NFL would want multiple partners: one traditional (like DirecTV) and one non-traditional (like Google), at least for now.

I think under those circumstances, everyone would be happy and the NFL could still charge each a billion or more, thereby falling inline with their increases charged to the networks a few years ago. Unless, of course, one provider (traditional or not) comes in and plants up to $2 billion for the exclusive privilege similar to what DirecTV did years ago.

Google has the muscle and they might not want to share if you think about it, so who knows what may happen. Dish may even come in and surprise people.

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 07:31 AM

The more I think about this, the more sense it makes.

However, I think ideally the NFL would want multiple partners: one traditional (like DirecTV) and one non-traditional (like Google), at least for now.

I think under those circumstances, everyone would be happy and the NFL could still charge each a billion or more, thereby falling inline with their increases charged to the networks a few years ago. Unless, of course, one provider (traditional or not) comes in and plants up to $2 billion for the exclusive privilege similar to what DirecTV did years ago.

Google has the muscle and they might not want to share if you think about it, so who knows what may happen. Dish may even come in and surprise people.

 

I will believe that when I see it.  I don't see that happening anytime soon.


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 07:42 AM

Well, if there's one thing I've learned: never say never. Yes, it's a cliche'.

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 07:45 AM

The more I think about this, the more sense it makes.

However, I think ideally the NFL would want multiple partners: one traditional (like DirecTV) and one non-traditional (like Google), at least for now.

I think under those circumstances, everyone would be happy and the NFL could still charge each a billion or more, thereby falling inline with their increases charged to the networks a few years ago. Unless, of course, one provider (traditional or not) comes in and plants up to $2 billion for the exclusive privilege similar to what DirecTV did years ago.

Google has the muscle and they might not want to share if you think about it, so who knows what may happen. Dish may even come in and surprise people.

You're right, it would have to be one or the other. See the games on TV or have the whole country trying to stream the games. For computer nuts like us it would work but not for the general population.



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Posted 22 August 2013 - 11:30 AM

You're right, it would have to be one or the other. See the games on TV or have the whole country trying to stream the games. For computer nuts like us it would work but not for the general population.

There would be apps for all sorts of devices, it really wouldn't be a big deal for it to happen 


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Posted 23 August 2013 - 07:59 AM

This may seem strange to some here but some of us don't use any devises that have apps. Guys want to turn the TV open a beer and watch the game, not D/L or open apps to get a jumpy stream that they have to run on a computer and transfer it to the TV.


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Posted 23 August 2013 - 08:10 AM

There are some of us who have and use apps on iDevices all the time, but will not watch anything on them unless it's the only game in town. (the only way to see something we think important.) I can count on one hand those times, Louis Vuitton Cup being one of them.


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Posted 24 August 2013 - 04:00 AM

I don't see a Roku as a difficult device to use.  I'm sure most Americans could figure out how to make one work.  In many ways, they're easier than DVD players.



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Posted 24 August 2013 - 09:53 AM

I don't see a Roku as a difficult device to use.  I'm sure most Americans could figure out how to make one work.  In many ways, they're easier than DVD players.

Don't disagree, but can't see what this pertains to.


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Posted 25 August 2013 - 04:35 AM

Don't disagree, but can't see what this pertains to.

 

The assumption seems to be that if Google were to offer the NFL games in streaming, the average American wouldn't be able to figure out how to do this because they aren't computer savvy.  The days where you needed an HTPC to stream video are in the distant past.  



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 07:16 AM

So does google want Sunday Ticket rights to make it a pc,roku,gaming syst. and mobile apps version like MLBTV?

 

Or do they want the whole shabang with Tv rights like the way Directv has it now?

 

Best case scenerio Directv and NFL make a deal for a reasonable rate for TV rights and have ST max for their customers only. 

 

And Google and the NFL do their Apps thing (MLBTV like) for the General puplic "Game Pass USA".

 

But this can be a tricky thing if it were to happen.A deal like this will surely cannibalize Directv profits.Especially if they price it at a good rate at around $179 - $249. 


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Posted 25 August 2013 - 07:33 AM

Get rid of exclusivity and offer it as an option to multiple outlets at a small discount from what they are charging a single provider today.  The NFL could easily double the revenue they currently generate while reaching a much broader audience.  Why would that not be their primary goal?  

 

The current contract worked for yesterdays provider landscape.  That landscape has changed significantly and will continue to evolve dramatically in the near term.  Ignoring this fact and staying with the status quo would be a very poor business decision on the part of the NFL.   



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 08:07 AM

Mr. Skycaster, on what do you base your predictions about doubling the NFL's income?

 

Do you think there might be some downside to making it cheap and available to everyone? 


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Posted 25 August 2013 - 12:02 PM

I kind of thought about this a bit more and three things could happen:

1. DirecTV keeps exclusive rights.
2. Google or someone else wins exclusive rights.
3. Sunday Ticket goes non-exclusive and is shared by DirecTV and another provider, be it Google or someone else (although a non-traditional partner might make the most sense in this case).

From DirecTV's perspective, I think only the first two options would make sense for them: they either maintain the status quo or lose it completely.

Sharing it probably wouldn't make much financial sense from their perspective, especially if that shared price still costs DirecTV more than a billion per year. They will burden the costs, but this time without any leverage and considering they are losing money now on it, the third option might cost them even more than getting rid of it completely.

Losing it completely might in fact be a wash for DirecTV, as in they lose maybe a million or more customers, but they free themselves of a billion dollar a year outlay. They would gain bandwidth as well, for other programming.

I bet the NFL will seek almost $2 billion for the rights this time around, be it through one provider or more and they will probably get it.

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 12:32 PM

How do you know DIRECTV® is losing money currently on Sunday Ticket? 


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