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Is Google and the Internet a serious 'threat' to DirecTV?


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#51 OFFLINE   KyL416

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 02:03 PM

I have no knowledge of the inner workings of Sunday Ticket, Having said that Is there anything to Stop the Cable companies from forming a new company backed financially by the cable industry to bid for and outbid DirecTV?

They already have one, it's called iNDemand, they provide Center Ice, Extra Innings, League Pass, Direct Kick along with PPV events and movies to most cable providers.

However their sports packages are severely lacking compared to DirecTV. MLB and NHL share the same 14 SD and 9 HD channels so dual feeds are rare and on busy nights you have games not carried in HD and late games joined in progress. NBA and MLS share 10 SD and 9 HD channels too. Very few cable systems have the bandwidth to offer all 18 HD feeds and only offer the packages in SD with 1 or 2 HD feeds.
 

Now I may be on the cusp of having residential fiber optic (and this is rolling out slowly over the country).

Verizon customers would beg to differ, they stopped the rollout of FiOS in new regions several years ago. The only new areas are ones that are part of existing franchise agreements they have yet to complete like portions of Philly, NYC and Boston. There's still many areas stuck with their 3mbps DSL service with no plans to expand the rollout of ADSL2+ that would support 6mbps service and no alternative like cable as an option.

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 05:13 PM

I guess nobody has seen this...

 

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To be the most "powerful" nation in the world, there is no excuse (yeap, capitalism) to be #9.   :nono2:


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Posted 19 September 2013 - 07:30 PM

I love these doomsday scenarios. Radio was going to kill live music, TV was going to kill the movie industry, the VCR was going to kill commercial TV, Blockbuster was going to kill the movie industry, and the Internet was going to kill Everybody...

 

While the 'net has, indeed, changed the way traditional media (newspapers, magazines, radio, the record industry, TV) do business, all those businesses are still with us. As it will be with pay TV. Some of us have no desire to start acquiring multiple boxes for different platforms, worrying about data caps, having to work to find the shows you want, etc. There will always be the appeal of having your TV entertainment choices integrated in one box, with a guide you can search with a delivery system that is reliable. 

 

Having said that, I not anti-internet. Far from it. I use it daily, it has a ton of wonderful uses. For me, though, I can't say it will ever replace TV>



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 07:14 AM

Well, print media is a shell of what it once was (perhaps a perfect storm of dishonest and biased reporting and the internet), and the music industry is still trying to figure out the best way to deal with reduced profits given the new distribution paradigm.

 

In both cases it has taken years to get to where we are today.  I believe we really are seeing the beginning of the end of the cable/sat monopoly though.  

 

Oh, and DVD replaced VHS.  Blue-ray was supposed to replace DVD, but it hasn't happened.  My bet is that both will die a slow death like the CD has as folks turn to streaming or downloading movies.


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 07:53 AM

Yeah I agree. Media companies are already preparing, adapting and trying to figure out what might be the best model possible. You don't have to be a visionary to realize the possibilities, to rid themselves of one provider with a static customer base. They just need to figure out a way to fully monetize it, to find that audience, and eventually consolidate it (which I'm sure they will) and things will really take off.

The technology might be slightly behind, but I also agree that bandwidth will increase over time as cable and telecom companies realize people want more, and the way we view TV through the internet will only get better, it's inevitable if past technological innovation is any indication.

People who think otherwise will use confirmation bias until they realize it's already happened.

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 11:17 AM

Well, print media is a shell of what it once was (perhaps a perfect storm of dishonest and biased reporting and the internet), and the music industry is still trying to figure out the best way to deal with reduced profits given the new distribution paradigm.

 

In both cases it has taken years to get to where we are today.  I believe we really are seeing the beginning of the end of the cable/sat monopoly though.  

 

Oh, and DVD replaced VHS.  Blue-ray was supposed to replace DVD, but it hasn't happened.  My bet is that both will die a slow death like the CD has as folks turn to streaming or downloading movies.

 

 

DVD replaced VHS with an essentially identical technology from a usage standpoint. The form factor was different, the quality was higher, but people still bought/rented things to insert in a player and watch on a TV. Claiming that's a change is like claiming that plastic grocery bags replaced paper bags...people still use them the same way.

 

The Internet succeeds where it can drop the price down to zero. That's what killed newspapers, not biased reporting (if you think newspapers are biased now, Google 'yellow journalism' and see what real bias is - by comparison the newspapers today are way way better) News, by definition, cannot be copyrighted, because you cannot copyright facts. Facts are free on the Internet, with a much bigger degree of slant in both directions than you can get from any newspaper thrown in as a bonus! That's why newspapers are in big trouble. Music was free for a while, thanks to Napster, even though it wasn't legal many didn't know/care at the time. The only reason the labels agreed to let Apple set such a low price and sell per song which later became a model for all music downloads is that they were competing with 'free' and knew they couldn't charge what they did for CDs and expect enough people to choose it over free but illegal.

 

Television is different, because even though it is legal to tell someone the score of a game or what happened in the latest Mad Men episode, people want to actually watch the program not just see reports of it. The internet can't drop its value to zero. Yes, there are illegal downloads, but it is much easier to police now than it was during the days of Napster. People might eventually switch from cable or satellite to a set top like Apple TV or Roku that lets them order seasons, assuming the sports leagues are willing to let them stream it and the Internet can handle the load of 100 million people streaming the Super Bowl at once. But we're not there yet, so the cord cutters are those who don't like TV too much and assign a low value to it. The people paying $150/month for TV aren't the ones cutting the cord, unless they lose their jobs and need to make serious cutbacks.

 

Whether cable/satellite go away as distribution models and are replaced by the Internet will depend on what the content owners want to do. They will sell their stuff in whatever way they think will make them the most money. At the moment, it is bundling a lot of stuff together and making people who don't care about sports pay for them anyway. In the past they keep increasing prices and people keep paying for it, so they will keep doing it until they ending up losing more in terms of lost subscribers than they gained in terms of more money per subscriber. The Internet is an alternative means of selling their content, that's all. It is not particularly efficient to send the same bitstream to millions of people individually instead of to thousands or millions of people at once, so ending up with the Internet as a distribution model will only happen if that inefficiency is overcome by being able make more money that way.


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 12:01 PM

^^^

 

Good spin.  However, my point was the basic 'you can't stop progress'.  I never said content would be free.  But imho delivery systems are going to change.  That was my only intended point.


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 01:46 PM

And my point is that there are a ton of people who don't want to be that proactive in finding content. The current model is simple, and that's an attractive point for many.


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 06:19 PM

commercial locations are big with directv and lot's of them have ST and other sports packs as well.

 

Also lot's of them  that have HD use component switcher systems some even have the sound boxes that you can put on the table top and you can pick the feed that you want sound on.

 

Lot's of the IP boxes do not have component out.

 

Also bandwidth can be an issue with pulling down 8-16 HD feeds at the same time to one site much less more places on the same node / others when not use an multicast system.


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 07:08 PM

It'd be nice if this threat brought a change...channels would go back to a M-F schedule with more variety, reruns of shows would be uncut, advertising over a show would be eliminated and bumpers would be back in style.



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 08:13 PM

Cable and Satellite is losing ground to illegal downloads and legal stream sites primarly torrents sites plain and simple, But then what happens if cable companies decides to raise prices for broadband internet and start usage caps and crack down illegal downloading sites, then what?


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:07 PM

I guess nobody has seen this...

 

http://www.huffingto..._n_3645927.html

 

To be the most "powerful" nation in the world, there is no excuse (yeap, capitalism) to be #9.   :nono2:

 

This also has something to do with it:

 

http://geography.abo...ntries-area.htm

 

http://www.worldatla...ge/usabysiz.htm


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Posted 21 September 2013 - 12:09 AM

I guess nobody has seen this...

 

http://www.huffingto..._n_3645927.html

 

To be the most "powerful" nation in the world, there is no excuse (yeap, capitalism) to be #9.   :nono2:

 

Geography and size.  Look at the size of those nations in front of the US.  Much, much, much smaller.  The US is still a very rural country in many parts and it is not economical to provide speeds to some parts of the country.  That is a big part of it.  We also have many times the population of some of those countries in front of us.  For a country our size in population and geography, we are a clear #1 by a wide margin.


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Posted 21 September 2013 - 08:42 AM

Which city in the U.S. has speeds of 500Mbs for $25/month? I don't think geography and size has anything to do with that. The only solution is competition because without it there's no reason to offer faster speeds.



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Posted 21 September 2013 - 10:12 AM

 

Is Google and the Internet a serious 'threat' to DirecTV?

 

I sure hope so...... 



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Posted 22 September 2013 - 01:00 AM

Which city in the U.S. has speeds of 500Mbs for $25/month? I don't think geography and size has anything to do with that. The only solution is competition because without it there's no reason to offer faster speeds.

 

I disagree.  Who is going to spend money to build out the infrastructure if there are no people to buy the product?  There's a reason there are few cable tv systems in rural parts of this country and why UVERSE or FIOS won't run lines in many places...it isn't profitable and would take years and years to get there.  In my opinion, but I've heard this stated often in the industry.


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Posted 22 September 2013 - 06:32 AM

I disagree.  Who is going to spend money to build out the infrastructure if there are no people to buy the product?  There's a reason there are few cable tv systems in rural parts of this country and why UVERSE or FIOS won't run lines in many places...it isn't profitable and would take years and years to get there.  In my opinion, but I've heard this stated often in the industry.

I was very happy in the late 90's when AT&T offered cable internet in my "rural" town.



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Posted 22 September 2013 - 07:54 AM

I know it is economics as I have been in that fight for years.  I live just outside a small rural town. About 4 years ago Qwest offered DSL in town but only to locations within 3 miles of the CO (no RTs) Town is only a mile wide but the CO is on the other side so no luck for me. Comcast has fiber running down the highway about a 1/4 mile from my subdivision but they refuse to wire the subdivision. After analysis I unfortunately have to agree, there are 40 2-1/2 acre lots. It would take 3 miles of hardline to serve the neighborhood and half the homes would take 200 -300 feet of RG11 for the individual drop. The area is not new, developed in the 90s so anyone who wants pay TV already has satellite. Rather hard to pay for the construction with 25 - 30 internet customers and 5 or so TV customers


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Posted 22 September 2013 - 09:01 AM

I was very happy in the late 90's when AT&T offered cable internet in my "rural" town.

Sure, but that ain't happening this decade in rural spots, many towns, nor in some smaller cities. 

 

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Posted 22 September 2013 - 09:40 AM

I disagree.  Who is going to spend money to build out the infrastructure if there are no people to buy the product?  There's a reason there are few cable tv systems in rural parts of this country and why UVERSE or FIOS won't run lines in many places...it isn't profitable and would take years and years to get there.  In my opinion, but I've heard this stated often in the industry.

 

I don't disagree with the situation in rural areas, but I'm talking about in cities. Competition is so limited that there's little incentive to update antiquated infrastructure.



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Posted 22 September 2013 - 01:02 PM

I know it is economics as I have been in that fight for years.  I live just outside a small rural town. About 4 years ago Qwest offered DSL in town but only to locations within 3 miles of the CO (no RTs) Town is only a mile wide but the CO is on the other side so no luck for me. Comcast has fiber running down the highway about a 1/4 mile from my subdivision but they refuse to wire the subdivision. After analysis I unfortunately have to agree, there are 40 2-1/2 acre lots. It would take 3 miles of hardline to serve the neighborhood and half the homes would take 200 -300 feet of RG11 for the individual drop. The area is not new, developed in the 90s so anyone who wants pay TV already has satellite. Rather hard to pay for the construction with 25 - 30 internet customers and 5 or so TV customers

 

 

Well, the situation is the same with running electric lines and phone lines to remote places. Its most definitely not profitable to run wire and poles down miles of country roads to serve a handful of farmers or ranchers. Laws were passed requiring they be served, the people in the cities are essentially subsidizing the people in the countryside via some small taxes/fees tacked onto your electric and phone bill that pay for this.

 

Theoretically the same could be done for broadband, but there are a lot of reasons (aside from the obvious political ones) why implementing such a law would be quite difficult.


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Posted 22 September 2013 - 03:48 PM

I disagree.  Who is going to spend money to build out the infrastructure if there are no people to buy the product?  

Bingo!  you are correct.  these are only a small portion of the subs.  even in big cities, we are very limited when it comes to internet.  how come google can provide gigabit speeds, but nobody else though of that!.....


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Posted 22 September 2013 - 04:10 PM

Bingo!  you are correct.  these are only a small portion of the subs.  even in big cities, we are very limited when it comes to internet.  how come google can provide gigabit speeds, but nobody else though of that!.....

Gigabyte speeds have been around before Google even existed as a company they didn't create anything new. As to why are they doing it? Because they have the cash to burn and in the long run they will know everything about you to sell advertisements.  How many households are currently serviced by Google fiber service? What is the roll out rate for Google Fiber? What is the projected return on it for the next 5 years? Define what you mean on limited when it comes to internet.  You may want to read http://commercialobs...esnt-fare-well/ and http://gizmodo.com/a...he-b-1057686215. People confuse the internet with bandwidth. Bandwidth has gotten cheaper but internet bills continue to increase each year.


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Posted 22 September 2013 - 08:04 PM

Gigabyte speeds have been around before Google even existed as a company they didn't create anything new. As to why are they doing it? Because they have the cash to burn and in the long run they will know everything about you to sell advertisements.  How many households are currently serviced by Google fiber service? What is the roll out rate for Google Fiber? What is the projected return on it for the next 5 years? Define what you mean on limited when it comes to internet.  You may want to read http://commercialobs...esnt-fare-well/ and http://gizmodo.com/a...he-b-1057686215. People confuse the internet with bandwidth. Bandwidth has gotten cheaper but internet bills continue to increase each year.

But you are missing the point.  There is no reason why cities such as NYC, LA and such do not have average speeds of >100Mbps.  the technology is here.  and there is no reason why of our mobile Internet infrastructure is well, so 1930s.... oh wait, there is a reason, CEOs, and big brass of these companies wants to keep (horde) all of their cash instead of investing this back on their companies and yes that means their employees as well!


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Posted 23 September 2013 - 06:38 AM

But you are missing the point.  There is no reason why cities such as NYC, LA and such do not have average speeds of >100Mbps.  the technology is here.  and there is no reason why of our mobile Internet infrastructure is well, so 1930s.... oh wait, there is a reason, CEOs, and big brass of these companies wants to keep (horde) all of their cash instead of investing this back on their companies and yes that means their employees as well!

This is really a topic for another thread but I did want to touch on it. While I agree that modern business management is way too focused on the short term and quick return on investment the simple fact is you still have to make your money back to justify spending it. The unfortunate fact is that the incredible expense of building out the infrastructure to the home to provide 100M+ service is just not justifiable even with taking a few years to make your money back.  This is where the fact we don't have the population density even in the cities that other countries have is actually a negative fact.


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