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Would Dish Network Really Consider Dropping ESPN?


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#101 OFFLINE   sigma1914

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 11:04 AM

I simply quoted the LA Daily News article.  

 

The link to the full story is in my post.  Gregory Wilcox's (the reporter who wrote the story) email address is at the end of the article.

I understand and wasn't meaning to ask you. It was just a general question regarding the article.


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Posted 23 September 2013 - 11:36 AM

My point is, at least on the baseball playoffs, the article is incorrect.


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Posted 23 September 2013 - 12:44 PM

I don't question Athlon here... he's doing the due diligence and updating us with the latest "info"...  I am increasingly disappointed by how many online Web sites keep recycling old quotes from months ago as if they were just said yesterday, though.  Also making up some stuff, as this article does, related to PAC-12 and Baseball being affected...  and of course the nebulous and vague "according to sources" which leads me to believe his "source" is the random internet rumor that keeps resurfacing from months ago.

 

We know from past disputes that someone would be screaming bloody murder about now IF these negotiations had truly stalled... also, the lack of any recent new rumor tends to dispel that notion.

 

There are so many factual errors that are easily discredited, that it pretty much leads you to conclude the whole article here is piecemeal nothingness.

 

Besides, we are going to find out in a week anyway... and unlike a less popular channel, everybody involved in the negotiations knows how the viewers feel here... so I again will be surprised at anything beyond a symbolic dropping of channels, and even that seems unlikely given how little we have heard to this point.

 

I fully expect to still have ESPN next Tuesday... and within the coming weeks after that to see other HD feeds light up for other Disney/ABC/ESPN channels.


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Posted 23 September 2013 - 01:41 PM

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 02:38 PM

My point is, at least on the baseball playoffs, the article is incorrect.


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So was the part about pac12 channels. That has nothing to do with espn. However they may have mentioned it because of all the pac12 games that are now on espn that you'd lose. It was a Fresno article.


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Posted 23 September 2013 - 05:07 PM

So was the part about pac12 channels. That has nothing to do with espn. However they may have mentioned it because of all the pac12 games that are now on espn that you'd lose. It was a Fresno article.


The article specifically said "PAC-12 Network". Not PAC-12 content on ESPN. It was one of the many errors in the article.



We are at an odd point in the process ... so far no promotion from either side asking customers to visit some "keep ESPN on DISH" or "keep the price fair" websites as we have seen with other disputes. And no announced deal for ESPN and whatever other channels are involved to continue. One of those directions will become more clear by next Tuesday.
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Posted 23 September 2013 - 05:48 PM

You know I spent the whole day worrying if Disney and Dish would come to an agreement, I just couldn't get any work done, I'll probably not get much sleep tonight, I'm off my feed, I can't eat, I'm irritable - WHAT SHALL I DO?


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Posted 23 September 2013 - 06:28 PM

You know I spent the whole day worrying if Disney and Dish would come to an agreement, I just couldn't get any work done, I'll probably not get much sleep tonight, I'm off my feed, I can't eat, I'm irritable - WHAT SHALL I DO?

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Posted 24 September 2013 - 04:31 AM

Can you enlighten me on what this multitude of content is?

 

Sure.  They could go back to sending out 1920x1080 instead of 1440x1080.  All those dropped bits are content.



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Posted 24 September 2013 - 10:31 AM

You know I spent the whole day worrying if Disney and Dish would come to an agreement, I just couldn't get any work done, I'll probably not get much sleep tonight, I'm off my feed, I can't eat, I'm irritable - WHAT SHALL I DO?

Geez it's just TV.


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Posted 24 September 2013 - 10:34 AM

Geez it's just TV.

I'm fairly certain he was being sarcastic.


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Posted 24 September 2013 - 10:49 AM

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Posted 24 September 2013 - 03:44 PM

DROP IT AND SAVE ME $15.00 A MONTH!!!!!!


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Posted 24 September 2013 - 07:56 PM

Fresno really?

 

Really. KFSN in Fresno is an ABC O & O.



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Posted 25 September 2013 - 10:28 AM

Really. KFSN in Fresno is an ABC O & O.

I didn't know that.

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 10:49 AM

I would expect to see a few days of standoff on this.

 

The said reality is that bills are now at $100 a month for people and pay tv outlets are losing customers.   There is a sweet spot for consumers in probably the $85 - $95 range and after that the cord is getting cut.    So the pressure on Dish, Directv, and so forth is likely to try in vain to keep the bills at that point.

 

I see ESPN ONLY getting its asking price if the channels are in the 200 and above packages.    This would allow Dish to free up the 120 package and keep the price in check.   However, I don't see ESPN doing this and then they'll have to come back and negotiate on price in the 120 package.   I see this is where the issues are going to be.   But throw in also the slate of other ABC owned channels and where they fall out in the tier.

 

I would not be surprised at all to see a few days where ESPN goes dark to prove a point.   Question is how many would switch in that short period?   I don't think too many would because they'd expect it to work out.

 

I also wonder how much the Hopper issues enter into this with the ABC channels owned.

 

It's the great convergence of issues.

The way ESPN/DISNEY/ABC make money is by being in the lowest tiers. That way they get paid for each subscriber not a select few subscribing to premium or sport packages. If, as reported elsewhere, ESPN gets $5.50 they receive $77 million a month from Dish alone. Add DirecTv and they add $100 million a month to ESPN. Now add all the cable companies and see what they get a month. ESPN would not approve a contract that removes them from basic service. Now, what is the fallout if Dish doesn't renew? As a email from Dish reminded me trying to sell the multisport package, which went from $7 to $12 a month, it is college football season. Yep, sure is. I dare say Dish will lose many subscribers to cable or DirecTv if it dragged out too long. It seems odd that ONLY Dish has ESPNU, ESPNNews, Disney and ABC channels in SD when everyone else has it in HD. Dish customers have suffered long enough with the others providing in HD. Dish can play hardball, but I think they may be misjudging the fallout if they lose ESPN or decide to drop it. As one poster noted ESPN isn't AMC.



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Posted 25 September 2013 - 11:33 AM

Really. KFSN in Fresno is an ABC O & O.

I guess my question is are the ABC stations also up for renewal?


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Posted 25 September 2013 - 03:53 PM

They lost me, Im tired of the drama constantly with locals or nationals. Directv install on Saturday.


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Posted 25 September 2013 - 07:22 PM

What drama?

 

This is one of the MOST peaceful negotiations I can remember in my time with Dish.  Seriously.  Neither Dish nor ESPN has said BOO about the contract expiring in the next 5 days...  In the past, we would have had Web sites, commercials, and channel scrolls by now each telling how the other was evil personified.

 

The only drama in this negotiation has been from a few "news" Web sites who seem to be recycling old news and old quotes to imply something bad is going to happen... someone today was talking about "Black Monday"... but nobody from Dish or ESPN is saying anything negative about the other.


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 04:12 AM

This is one of the MOST peaceful negotiations I can remember in my time with Dish.  Seriously.  Neither Dish nor ESPN has said BOO about the contract expiring in the next 5 days...  In the past, we would have had Web sites, commercials, and channel scrolls by now each telling how the other was evil personified.

I've noticed this as well.  In fact, if not for this forum, I'd have no idea the contract was set to expire.


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