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Would Dish Network Really Consider Dropping ESPN?


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#126 OFFLINE   Stewart Vernon

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 08:16 PM

Is ESPN gone yet? I can't wait to save some money.

 

#1. ESPN will not be going anywhere.

#2. Even if it did, your bill will not likely drop as a result.


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Posted 27 September 2013 - 06:41 AM

That is a horse of a different color.  Both satellite and cable companies are notoriously bad about not telling customers good news.  When my father used to have Time Warner cable, I routinely told him about new channels due to reading forums like this one... and Time Warner rarely told him anything.  Same with Dish...  just about every time I can remember when Dish added new channels, I read it on this forum first (and I'm not just talking uplinks) and it was usually nearly a month later, if even, before Dish said anything.

 

You would think good news would be good news.

 

But... just like most subscribers don't know there is a major contract about to expire... they also will not know when it is renewed...  and might not notice the new channels or new features unless they stumble on them accidentally.

 

Dish could be better about telling customers when it adds new channels... but I've sort of given up on them doing so.

Yep.....but there are potential customers waiting in the wings to sign up for Dish = that they are holding their cards before they fold and come over!!!



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Posted 30 September 2013 - 12:59 PM

The latest article.

 

http://blogs.wsj.com...-lose-espn-abc/



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Posted 30 September 2013 - 01:26 PM

But... just like most subscribers don't know there is a major contract about to expire... they also will not know when it is renewed... and might not notice the new channels or new features unless they stumble on them accidentally.

Forums like this tend to be highly specialized where the most interested/motivated ~1% of any service's customers hang out.

When I was shopping for a new washer - because the 30 year-old unit was leaking, I visited a washer dryer forum (first surprise - there is a washer dryer forum) and I found a post where a frequent poster said that they buy a new washer and drier every 6 months to keep up with the technology. It blew my mind, but probably some of them would have surprised that a forum for TV service provider exists too, let alone that people there discuss contract negotiations for channels.
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Posted 30 September 2013 - 06:09 PM

My gut says all the current ABC/ESPN/Disney channels will still be with us tomorrow.  No news is good news on that front...  the yelling and screaming from ESPN should have already started weeks ago if we were going dark tonight.

 

Best case scenario would be if the new contract is a done deal and includes all the "lost" HD feeds + ESPNUHD + WatchESPN.  However, even in the best case scenario it could be weeks before we see those channels light up.

 

When AMC came back, only AMCHD came back immediately... those other HD feeds took nearly a month to show up and I'm not sure we ever found out why the delay.

 

So... I would expect any new/returning HD feeds to possibly be as much as a month out even if a new contract is done tonight.  WatchESPN would require some updates to their APP, but that could happen sooner than the HD feeds potentially.

 

In a perfect world, we would get all the channels on Wednesday and WatchESPN by the weekend... but I have low confidence in that scenario.

 

We should know something by morning, though... even if it is just status quo... that in itself will tell us something.


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Posted 30 September 2013 - 06:19 PM

AMC HD was the real channel ... the others were bonus. AMC HD has also been recently carried - the others had to have space made for them.

It has been too long since the disputed ABC/ESPN channels were pulled - and there is no sign of testing going on to instantly make them HD.
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Posted 30 September 2013 - 06:26 PM

DISH and The Walt Disney Company Continue Talks, Extend Contract

 

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. & BURBANK, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- DISH (NASDAQ:DISH) and The Walt Disney Company (NYSE:DIS) have reached a short-term extension with respect to the continued carriage of ESPN; Disney Channel; ABC owned stations in New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Philadelphia, San Francisco, Houston, Raleigh-Durham and Fresno; ABC Family and other networks from The Walt Disney Company. Details regarding the extension were not announced.

 

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Disney Media Networks comprises a vast array of The Walt Disney Company's (NYSE:DIS) broadcast, cable, radio, publishing and Internet businesses, including Disney/ABC Television Group and ESPN, Inc. The Disney/ABC Television Group is composed of The Walt Disney Company's global entertainment and news television properties, including the ABC Television Network, ABC Studios, Disney Channels Worldwide, ABC Family, as well as Disney/ABC Domestic Television and Disney Media Distribution. ESPN, Inc., The Worldwide Leader in Sports, is the leading multinational, multimedia sports entertainment company featuring the broadest portfolio of multimedia sports assets with over 50 business entities.


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Posted 30 September 2013 - 06:27 PM

The above was fresh in my email just minutes ago...  I neglected to mention in any of my earlier posts that my local ABC station is an owned/operated by ABC station and they have not been running any scrolls like the Media General-owned NBC affiliate has... so I had a semi-inside-track to guess that all was still well.


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Posted 30 September 2013 - 07:12 PM

I too got the email and would have lost my ABC local. I really didn't expect Disney to insist on a blackout during the first weeks of the new season. After all, I need to keep up with "Dancing with the Stars."  :sure:  Maybe they can work something out with Charlie that makes sense. Or not.


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Posted 30 September 2013 - 08:42 PM

I have to think most of this is about the WatchESPN and possibly ESPN3 access...  I mean, there are really no new channels as such.  Return of the HD feeds + ESPNU in HD that Dish never had.... but no new channels to haggle over unless somehow the Longhorn network is involved, but Texas isn't helping ESPN right now to sell that channel with their performance on the football field!  So it seems like it has to be the digital/online stuff that might be hanging things up.

 

I couldn't even guess at how they come to a value on what that is worth per subscriber...  I wish they could separate that negotiation with an agreement that adds all the channels for a multi-year deal and allows them to continue to negotiate on the digital stuff... but I expect Disney/ESPN wants to do everything in one shot.


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 10:00 AM

Another trick to the digital stuff is that Dish has never had to negotiate for ESPN3, since they don't have an ISP service, plus I'm sure a discussion of how many of their subs do or don't have broadband is a discussion. WatchESPN is more complicated for a satellite provider than a cable provider.



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Posted 01 October 2013 - 11:46 AM

Yeah...  for a cable company that is also an internet provider, WatchESPN and ESPN3 are "in-network" so to speak... but except for the areas where Dish is selling satellite internet, those would be eyes away from Dish... so Dish might view those as less valuable to them than a cable company would.


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 12:48 PM

Another trick to the digital stuff is that Dish has never had to negotiate for ESPN3, since they don't have an ISP service, plus I'm sure a discussion of how many of their subs do or don't have broadband is a discussion. WatchESPN is more complicated for a satellite provider than a cable provider.

Doesn't Dishnet count as an ISP?  Granted it's a niche service for the "undeserved" areas of the country, but it is internet service.


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 04:03 PM

Curiously...  I did see something today about the SEC Network... so maybe ESPN/Disney is also trying to negotiate that this year... but I didn't see/hear anything about the Longhorn network.  Things are generally pretty quiet on this, even with the semi-press-release from Dish yesterday.

 

No panic or threats or scrolls from ESPN yet...  which leads me to believe that even if these companies are negotiating some nasty sticking points, they must be doing it civilly... because we usually see the fire spitting and we know these two companies have bad blood between them, so the civility is almost deafening.


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 04:19 PM

...so the civility is almost deafening.

 

Great line!


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 05:15 PM

This appears to be the latest and where the renewals lie;  apparently the extension is only one or two days....

 

Disney-Dish Talks Said to Hinge on Skipping Ads, Adding Networks

 

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 05:33 PM

Hmmm. Well, if Disney is only seeking assurances that Dish won't expand Hopper ad skipping to cable channels, then a deal is possible. If Disney is demanding Dish shut off ad skipping on ABC, I can't imagine that happening.

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 06:58 PM

Great line!

Thanks...  I quite literally stumbled into that, and while I don't normally pat myself on the back... I was quite happy I thought of typing that! :)

 

Hmmm. Well, if Disney is only seeking assurances that Dish won't expand Hopper ad skipping to cable channels, then a deal is possible. If Disney is demanding Dish shut off ad skipping on ABC, I can't imagine that happening.

Yeah...  IF it is about the LiLs, then I think they have a problem... but if it is about assuring they stick to LiLs, Dish probably is ok with that.

 

IF that linked article is accurate, it makes sense to me that it might be more about the SEC network and that other channel ESPN wants to launch... but that maybe Disney is trying to leverage their "hate" of the AutoHop to Dish by saying "IF you pay us for these new channels we want to launch, we will stop fighting on AutoHOP"...  I could see FOX playing that same card eventually to re-negotiate FS1 and FS2 at some point, by agreeing to drop AutoHOP complaints if Dish deals with them on the channels they care more about.

 

AutoHop is kind of becoming a potential tool for BOTH sides to leverage in these negotiations I think.

 

I would like to see Dish get the SEC network...  I expect the ACC to try one eventually, so I'd like to think the precedent to carry them would be set by that time.  I have to think the SEC network, though, would be handled similar to Big10 and Pac12 and be in the multi-sport except for SEC DMAs... and those were apparently hard for Dish to negotiate in the past too so I could see that being a sticking point.

 

No mention of the "lost" HD feeds or ESPNUHD... so we either must believe those are already agreed upon in principle OR were never part of the deal... and the former seems much more likely than the latter as I can't imagine Disney wanting SEC more than their other feeds.


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Posted 02 October 2013 - 05:06 AM

Interesting that this auto hop is a stumbling block to an agreement.  Of course I have old equipment from 2007 (two 622's).  Makes me wonder when networks are going to demand technology to not allow folks to skip ads, period.  Kinda like a dvd won't let one skip over the warning page.  When that happens I might have to give up TV altogether.

 

But as it now stands, if ESPN were to go dark on dish, I would look immediately to switch to TWC (I already have roadrunner) or Directv.  Worst possible time, football season, for this to happen.


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Posted 05 October 2013 - 08:10 PM

I doubt that ad skipping is the only thing.  SEC Network, Longhorn, WatchESPN, the rate they charge, etc, etc is all thrown in there. 


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Posted 05 October 2013 - 10:26 PM

http://blogs.wsj.com...n/?mod=yahoo_hs

 

If Dish drops ESPN and other Disney/ABC Channels...I will be gone, not ifs or buts...I watch ESPN all the time and my kid loves all the Disney channels.

Dish will experience a max exodus if this happens. Book it!

On phone with Direct TV Oct 1.  She said Dish was going to use recordings of old sports events.  Apparently they made a last minute deal to keep them because I got ball games tonight. The contract officially ended September 30th.  I'm gone anyway tho because the Hopper is cumbersome to me compared to Direct TV HOWEVER I'm going to Charter and get a Tivo.  I like to go back and forth between games and apparently with the Hopper, when you come back to a game you have to start at beginning and fast forward to where you were in the game IF the game is still in progress.  Games that have finished like yesterdays games do have a Resume choice but if the games are still in progress you either have to join the game live or stop the recording.  They say there are convoluted ways to do it but Direct TV was soooo easy.  Hope Tivo is also.  Better check on it.  



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Posted 05 October 2013 - 11:16 PM

On phone with Direct TV Oct 1.  She said Dish was going to use recordings of old sports events.


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Posted 05 October 2013 - 11:56 PM

I have a feeling we will be getting some good news soon.  You read it here first! :)


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Posted 06 October 2013 - 01:42 AM

Hmmm. Well, if Disney is only seeking assurances that Dish won't expand Hopper ad skipping to cable channels, then a deal is possible. If Disney is demanding Dish shut off ad skipping on ABC, I can't imagine that happening.

 

Why?  I would not be one bit surprised if someone at some point dumps dish without them agreeing to not using auto hop.  I have said that from the beginning.  Courts can do what they want, but in the end, the channels have the power to say pound sand.  They will leverage it for more money.



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Posted 06 October 2013 - 01:43 AM

On phone with Direct TV Oct 1.  She said Dish was going to use recordings of old sports events.  Apparently they made a last minute deal to keep them because I got ball games tonight. The contract officially ended September 30th.  I'm gone anyway tho because the Hopper is cumbersome to me compared to Direct TV HOWEVER I'm going to Charter and get a Tivo.  I like to go back and forth between games and apparently with the Hopper, when you come back to a game you have to start at beginning and fast forward to where you were in the game IF the game is still in progress.  Games that have finished like yesterdays games do have a Resume choice but if the games are still in progress you either have to join the game live or stop the recording.  They say there are convoluted ways to do it but Direct TV was soooo easy.  Hope Tivo is also.  Better check on it.  

 

Uh, Charter for TV?  Im so sorry if your in the same charter area as me.  Thats not tv, that's torture.  no way id ever even consider it unless they offered me $1,000,000 and I didn't have to sign a contract.  ;)






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