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Would Dish Network Really Consider Dropping ESPN?


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#161 OFFLINE   tommiet

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 05:58 PM

Is ESPN gone yet? I'm hoping for more shopping and/or paint drying channels.


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 10:52 AM

 

  So while the ESPN fans would leave Dish in droves, Dish might see an increase in customers as those people who don't want ESPN flock to the provider.

Some of you are so far from reality when Dish has a dispute.

 

First, they aint working for you.

Second, you arent going to save money.

Third, people arent going to leave Directv of Cable to go to Dish because they dont have a channel.

 

 

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 12:46 PM

Some of you are so far from reality when Dish has a dispute.

 

First, they aint working for you.

Second, you arent going to save money.

Third, people arent going to leave Directv of Cable to go to Dish because they dont have a channel.

 

 

Get real.

 

I love Dish, but I have to agree with this post.  I can't imagine customers leaving a provider to go to Dish because they break with Disney.

 

Bottom line ~ this is going to get worked out and (I believe) we will see the entire Disney/ESPN family in HD.  Why do I think this?  Because that would make everyone the most money.  It really is that simple.



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 03:48 PM

Third, people arent going to leave Directv of Cable to go to Dish because they dont have a channel.


If it saves them money they will. People chose to subscribe to DISH instead of DirecTV because DISH had the AT120 channel package that does not include regional sports and about three dozen other channels. DirecTV eventually responded by introducing their own budget package (Entertainment).

BTW: Anyone who thinks DISH will immediately lose their 14 million customers to DirecTV or other providers should ESPN be dropped needs a reality check.
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Posted 09 October 2013 - 05:34 PM

For some reason this evening I no longer show a network logo in the Guide for any of the ESPN channels, the Disney channels or ABC Family--all the other channels are fine (I have the everything package w/ Blockbuster@Home).  They are blank on both Hoppers and both Joeys.  The schedule appears just fine, just missing the logos. Anyone else having the same issue?  It's not a sign of something coming I hope.  



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 06:06 PM


BTW: Anyone who thinks DISH will immediately lose their 14 million customers to DirecTV or other providers should ESPN be dropped needs a reality check.

After 1 I know of, I don't care how many others might drop Dish ;)



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 06:18 PM

well, I would likely be leaving.  I am an avid sports fan & watch ESPN daily, especially during basketball.  Loosing ESPN would be the last straw............so tired of all of the disputes in the name of saving the subscriber money..........then Dish raises their fees


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 07:55 PM

For some reason this evening I no longer show a network logo in the Guide for any of the ESPN channels, the Disney channels or ABC Family--all the other channels are fine (I have the everything package w/ Blockbuster@Home). They are blank on both Hoppers and both Joeys. The schedule appears just fine, just missing the logos. Anyone else having the same issue? It's not a sign of something coming I hope.


Same here on the logos. Could be bad but could also be good. Hard to know for sure.


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 11:28 PM

Same here on the logos. Could be bad but could also be good. Hard to know for sure.


It is "interesting" to note that the only channels in my guide that are missing logos at this time are the ESPNs, Disney, ABC Family and SoapNet. Things that make you go hmmmmm ....

Get me to midnight Friday (the end of the Nationwide race). Sorry for anything others might miss if darkness comes.
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Posted 10 October 2013 - 04:46 AM

Some of you are so far from reality when Dish has a dispute.

 

First, they aint working for you.

Second, you arent going to save money.

Third, people arent going to leave Directv of Cable to go to Dish because they dont have a channel.

 

First, they are working for us.  But not only for us.  As a middleman, they have to make both sides happy or they stop being the middleman.  It's a warped and twisted relationship that allows the companies that produce content to charge more than they could if they were selling direct to customers.  But if Dish stops making its customers happy, they will stop being a company.

 

I believe Dish could drop the price of their package significantly if they dropped ESPN.  And I think they would have to.  Otherwise, the people who don't like paying for ESPN would have no incentive to stay or switch to Dish.  If the cost to Dish per subscriber is really as high as some claim, they could get an incredible cost advantage over their competition by dropping the price.  They wouldn't do it because they want to make less money.  They'd do it because sometimes the way to make the most money is to charge the lowest price.

 

You are correct that people won't switch to Dish just because they don't have a channel.  But they will switch to Dish if it saves them $15/month compared to their alternatives.  See argument above for why Dish would be able to charge less, and why they would want to.

 

Dish won't drop the price if this is just a contract dispute.  If they intend to reach an agreement, the price will have to stay up so that they can maintain profitability after the content returns.  But if they decide that they don't want ESPN at any price, then they can both drop the channel and the price.  And then their advertising will go into high gear to attract customers to a service where "you don't have to pay for ESPN."  And you can "save $15/month on our most popular package compared to DirecTV."  It's a message that would play well with a large portion of the population.



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Posted 10 October 2013 - 04:47 AM

For some reason this evening I no longer show a network logo in the Guide for any of the ESPN channels, the Disney channels or ABC Family--all the other channels are fine (I have the everything package w/ Blockbuster@Home).  

 

The logos are there for me this morning.



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Posted 10 October 2013 - 06:42 AM

Hey mine are back too.  How do we read this now?  I'm so confused.  Hey at least there's something interesting going on in the world of Satellite, it has been a bit boring for a while since the newness of HWS wore off.



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Posted 10 October 2013 - 08:28 AM

Hey mine are back too.  How do we read this now?  I'm so confused.  Hey at least there's something interesting going on in the world of Satellite, it has been a bit boring for a while since the newness of HWS wore off.

 

The logos have been on and off during the last few weeks.  First happened a few weeks ago, I believe.

 

Not sure what to make of it, either.  I'm a little surprised this has dragged on to mid-October.  Original contract expired on 9/30.

 

I think we all know what we want - ESPN and Disney family in HD (ESPNU, ABC Family, etc.) plus any channels we don't have (e.g. Disney Jr for the kids) without having to pay more.  :grin:



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Posted 10 October 2013 - 12:10 PM

Just an observation. ESPN wouldn't lose 14 million customers. That number includes commercial accounts as well. Without knowing pure numbers let's say that the formula accounts for 1 million. After you reduce the number to 13 million you then have to take into account the people who don't have ESPN. Given my lack of knowledge with all of their packages as well as the international side of the house let's assume that it's about 10% so 1.3 million. That takes us down to 11.7 million subs. That number is still a heft amount in itself. Then you have to do the loss factor of cancellations as well as those who wouldn't sign up anymore. This is where opinion will really sink in but I think it's easy to say that the attrition rate would be about 1.7% per week it was off averaged over a month and then steadily increasing after 12 weeks. Charlie knows this level of churn will happen and he knows that even if they go dark for a day there will be a significantly higher level of churn as people won't be willing to take it on faith it won't happen again. 

 

On the flip side this would not make DISH go out of business like some have said. Even if they went to 7 million subs they would still be a solvent company they would just have to decrease their workforce and spending appropriately. They would have significantly lower acquisitions so their SAC payout would be very small leading them to be more cash positive even with reduced revenue once things settled down.

 

With all of that said neither side wants the channels to go dark and I don't believe this will be the negotiation where Charlie tests the waters with it. We all knew the skipping commercials feature would cost him in the long run and this is just the first of many battles over it.


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Posted 11 October 2013 - 09:55 AM

It is "interesting" to note that the only channels in my guide that are missing logos at this time are the ESPNs, Disney, ABC Family and SoapNet. Things that make you go hmmmmm ....

Get me to midnight Friday (the end of the Nationwide race). Sorry for anything others might miss if darkness comes.

Is Soapnet still on?


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Posted 11 October 2013 - 04:49 PM

Is Soapnet still??


Yep.
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Posted 16 October 2013 - 02:20 PM

The lack of activity here leads me to believe that we will continue to be forced to pay for ESPN in order to get AT120.  Oh well, maybe next time.


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 03:25 PM

The lack of activity here leads me to believe that we will continue to be forced to pay for ESPN in order to get AT120.  Oh well, maybe next time.

...or, ESPN and all of the other channels that various subscribers watch will continue to be bundled with programming that almost no one watches, because it is more profitable for the programming providers and the carriers get to brag about how many channels that they provide.

 

I see no change in the basic economic principles that gave birth to bundling, so this business model will continue for the foreseeable future.


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 03:41 PM

No deal has been announced. Status Quo.
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Posted 17 October 2013 - 12:53 PM

The lack of activity here leads me to believe that we will continue to be forced to pay for ESPN in order to get AT120.  Oh well, maybe next time.

 

Or to state that another way...  people will be forced to buy everything else in AT120 in order to get ESPN as well :)


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