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#41 OFFLINE   dpeters11

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Posted 15 September 2013 - 07:59 PM

For me, the $10 DVR fee is worth it just for the convenience. Networks change days for shows, skipping commercials, etc.

I've said this before, but if they stopped charging for HD, then sd customers would feel they are paying for something in their bill that they don't use. Just like customers are upset that they are charged the $25 fee but don't have a need for a Whole Home.


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Posted 15 September 2013 - 08:24 PM

For me, the $10 DVR fee is worth it just for the convenience. Networks change days for shows, skipping commercials, etc.

I've said this before, but if they stopped charging for HD, then sd customers would feel they are paying for something in their bill that they don't use. Just like customers are upset that they are charged the $25 fee but don't have a need for a Whole Home.


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Eventually HD will be the default. I'm sure the only limiting factor is replacing all the legacy boxes out there, but one day every box will be capable of decoding the HD channels and downrezzing to SD and then any channels that are in HD/SD will be HD only. At that point, I'd expect the "HD fee" to get rolled up into the package fee.



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Posted 16 September 2013 - 06:53 AM

That won't change the fact that someone with only an SD set would feel they are paying for something they aren't using. So no matter what they do, there will be upset customers. It doesn't matter what the box is to them.

 

Of course all the MPEG4 markets now have HD boxes, but SD customers don't have to pay the HD fee.



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Posted 16 September 2013 - 07:14 AM

That won't change the fact that someone with only an SD set would feel they are paying for something they aren't using. So no matter what they do, there will be upset customers. It doesn't matter what the box is to them.

 

Of course all the MPEG4 markets now have HD boxes, but SD customers don't have to pay the HD fee.

 

If the HD fee goes away, they wouldn't feel that way. If there's no equipment difference between SD and HD customers, it would make sense for that $10 to be absorbed into the package. It'd just be what DirecTV costs.



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Posted 16 September 2013 - 10:44 AM

That won't change the fact that someone with only an SD set would feel they are paying for something they aren't using. So no matter what they do, there will be upset customers. It doesn't matter what the box is to them.

 

Of course all the MPEG4 markets now have HD boxes, but SD customers don't have to pay the HD fee.

But they also dont get anything in HD....so what does it matter?



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Posted 16 September 2013 - 10:47 AM

If the HD fee goes away, they wouldn't feel that way. If there's no equipment difference between SD and HD customers, it would make sense for that $10 to be absorbed into the package. It'd just be what DirecTV costs.

 

I wonder what ThomasM's thoughts would be.



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Posted 16 September 2013 - 02:03 PM

If you only have an SD DVR, you most certainly should not pay the $25 fee. That would be outrageous. You shouldn't even have to pay the full $10 for DVR service since thats the HD rate.

 

DISH is actually significantly cheaper unless you are getting DTV discounts. At least for a price comparison I did a month or so ago. If I didn't have an DirecTV discounts and excluding the promo rate, the "real" rates for my service was $70 on DISH and $100 on DirecTV. I am getting DirecTV discounts to bring my monthly fees to be more comparable with DISH. If they stop doing that at any point, so long DIRECTV.

 

However, I will say this. As much as they want to advertise the Hopper as being comparable to the Genie, its not. The Genie is a true 5 tuner DVR while the Hopper only gives you the extra 3 tuners during prime time and only to record network shows (ABC, CBS, NBC, etc.).



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Posted 16 September 2013 - 02:23 PM

You shouldn't even have to pay the full $10 for DVR service since thats the HD rate.


Huh???

There isn't a SD DVR or HD DVR rate. "Old" customers pay $10 per month for DVR if they have a DVR and if they have any HD equipment, pay $10 per month for that service.

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 02:37 PM

SD customers should pay the $10 fee to motivate them to upgrade and get the date of NO SD/HD duplicates closer.


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Posted 16 September 2013 - 04:48 PM

Huh???

There isn't a SD DVR or HD DVR rate. "Old" customers pay $10 per month for DVR if they have a DVR and if they have any HD equipment, pay $10 per month for that service.

 

There should be... SD DVRs don't have all the same features.

 

SD customers should pay the $10 fee to motivate them to upgrade and get the date of NO SD/HD duplicates closer.

 

Should everybody pay the $25 fee? To motivate me to get a 2nd TV?

 

I understand that ala carte pricing for channels doesn't work due to contracts and requirements by the broadcaster and such, but features should be ala carte. I could care less about MRV, VOD, porn, sports, PPV, etc. I do care about DVR, HD, 1080p, OTA and DLNA. If DirecTV starts charging for DLNA, yeah, I'd turn it off in a heart beat. I've got 3 other devices that can do it for free.



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Posted 16 September 2013 - 04:54 PM

There should be... SD DVRs don't have all the same features.

 

 

If DirecTV starts charging for DLNA, yeah, I'd turn it off in a heart beat. I've got 3 other devices that can do it for free.

they already do, as RVU is "based" on DLNA


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Posted 16 September 2013 - 05:03 PM

There should be... SD DVRs don't have all the same features.

 

 

Should everybody pay the $25 fee? To motivate me to get a 2nd TV?

 

I understand that ala carte pricing for channels doesn't work due to contracts and requirements by the broadcaster and such, but features should be ala carte. I could care less about MRV, VOD, porn, sports, PPV, etc. I do care about DVR, HD, 1080p, OTA and DLNA. If DirecTV starts charging for DLNA, yeah, I'd turn it off in a heart beat. I've got 3 other devices that can do it for free.

 

But how far do you go? Would someone be able to get a credit to disable the PIP option on a Genie, or to disable the eSATA? I don't use the external drive feature but not expecting a credit. We can hide PPV, but I don't see how a credit would work to disable the feature. It's a revenue stream.

 

At least we have the option to customize the guide. Not all providers have that. Of course not everyone uses that feature, so credit :)



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Posted 16 September 2013 - 05:06 PM

 

 

There should be... SD DVRs don't have all the same features.

So then you'd be OK with a different monthly charge for a 44 than a 34 because the 44 has digital audio? And higher monthly fees for Genies than other DVRs because of their advanced features (5 tuners, 100 SL, 1TB drive, etc).



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Posted 16 September 2013 - 09:12 PM

 

 

 

There should be... SD DVRs don't have all the same features.

So then you'd be OK with a different monthly charge for a 44 than a 34 because the 44 has digital audio? And higher monthly fees for Genies than other DVRs because of their advanced features (5 tuners, 100 SL, 1TB drive, etc).

 

 

They do charge more for the Genie. $3 extra per month. They aren't charging for the tuners & HD, they are charging for MRV.



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Posted 16 September 2013 - 09:16 PM

They do charge more for the Genie. $3 extra per month. They aren't charging for the tuners & HD, they are charging for MRV.


I swapped out a HR21 with a Genie last month. Monthly bill didn't change at all.

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 10:10 PM

I swapped out a HR21 with a Genie last month. Monthly bill didn't change at all.

 

Did you have MRV before? If not, you'll start getting charged for it. If you had it before, then, yeah, its the same price.

 

EDIT / CLARIFY: Its $3 more for a Genie when used as a single standalone DVR.


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Posted 17 September 2013 - 04:22 AM

Yes, I had MRV before.

What is the fee charged if a new subscriber gets one (1) HD DVR (non-Genie) installed? Isn't that person also going to pay the $25 per month Advanced Receiver Fee?

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 05:45 AM

Did you have MRV before? If not, you'll start getting charged for it. If you had it before, then, yeah, its the same price.

 

EDIT / CLARIFY: Its $3 more for a Genie when used as a single standalone DVR.

SO if it helps you sleep at night say its a $3 fee for the extra tuners....either you want one or you dont.  If you dont, then let it go and move on.



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Posted 17 September 2013 - 08:47 AM

Yes, I had MRV before.

What is the fee charged if a new subscriber gets one (1) HD DVR (non-Genie) installed? Isn't that person also going to pay the $25 per month Advanced Receiver Fee?

 

Past a certain date, I think April '12?, you don't have a choice and have to eat the $5 MRV even if you only have one TV. Before that date, you only paid $20 for an HD-DVR (non genie) and $3 if you had MRV.

 

Just a marketing scam to make it look like DIRECTV doesn't charge $10/mo for HD when nobody else does.



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Posted 17 September 2013 - 08:49 AM

SO if it helps you sleep at night say its a $3 fee for the extra tuners....either you want one or you dont.  If you dont, then let it go and move on.

 

Why would I pay for extra tuners? CERTAINLY nobody else charges for that. You seem to be as obsessed about having the highest possible TV bill you can as I seem to be with having the lowest lol. You get all the bells and whistles don't you? MRV, PPV, VOD, premium package, all the movie channels, sunday ticket, protection plan, etc? :)


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