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2013-14 Season Broadcast Ratings - Fall


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#26 OFFLINE   phrelin

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 12:46 PM

Unfortunately, she's all by herself in that dreadful lineup. I think the show will survive for two reasons: a fourth season is required for syndication, and I'm sure that FOX understands the dreck surrounding the show is dragging it down.

 

 

Also, New Girl scored a 1.9 once last year, and it's really not far off the consistent 2.0-2.2 for each of the last six episodes last year.

 

I agree that the show is being killed by scheduling. The problem is where to put it. Truthfully, It seems like it and a decent comedy could successfully garner Fox some ratings on Friday if they'd quit thinking of Friday as a place to put dying shows.Or in November they could try "Almost Human" at 8 pm Tuesday to give "New Girl" a lead-in and leave "Bones" on Monday rather move to Friday.


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Posted 03 October 2013 - 12:10 PM

Here's Wednesday:

 

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CBS won every half hour in total viewers which means they've got the 50+ crowd. They also won the demo in 8-9pm half hours and the 10-11 pm half hours.

 

ABC, as usual, with "Modern Family" won the 9-9:30 half hour in the demo but saw a drop in 50+ viewers from last week's premier which dropped it to #2 in total viewers. Last year we had the Presidential Debates on the comparable night, but two years ago the show pulled 5.6/14 - 13.24. The premier of "Super Fun Night" benefited from the "Modern Family" lead-in. But based on previous years, it will have to earn its keep on its own after the premier. The rest of the ABC lineup saw ratings drops from last week indicating the shows are not live+same day viewer magnets.

 

Fox's "X-Factor" two years ago pulled 4.3/11 - 12.29 compared to this year's 2.4/7 - 7.76, but last night the show held a solid #3 in the demo and 50+ groups.

 

NBC. The lineup of "Revolution", "L&O: SVU" and the premier of "IronsIde" kept the Peacock well above The CW's reruns for the night. That's pathetic, of course. But "Revolution" was sagging last May even on Mondays with "The Voice" lead-in as it pulled 1.9/5 - 6.48 the week before its finale against no regular season show on the other networks. The venerable "L&O: SVU" continues to be an "adequate placeholder."

 

Which brings the discussion to the premier of "Ironside". Despite some advertising push and Blair Underwood, plus the possible appeal to old folks who remember the original, NBC failed to attract a strong audience for the show. It did pull more 50+ viewers in the 10:00 pm half hour than "SVU" had in the 9:30 pm half hour. But by 10:30 pm it lost almost 1 million 50+ viewers who probably wanted to see the ghost of Raymond Burr.

 

The CW will premier its season next week.


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Posted 03 October 2013 - 01:54 PM

Too bad about Revolution, because it's become a more complex and challenging show so far in the second season. I thought I might be alone in thinking this, but I've also seen reviews that indicate I'm not.

 

I can't believe it's on at 8:00 with all of its graphic violence.



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Posted 04 October 2013 - 12:47 PM

Too bad about Revolution, because it's become a more complex and challenging show so far in the second season. I thought I might be alone in thinking this, but I've also seen reviews that indicate I'm not.

 

I can't believe it's on at 8:00 with all of its graphic violence.

I agree with both your points. The second season has become more complex and placing it at 8 pm is a mistake. Perhaps they'll move it to 10 pm to replace "Ironside" as it might grow an audience there.

 

Here's Thursday:

 

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CBS won the night overall but in the demo only because of "Big Bang Theory" and the premier of "The Millers" both of which won its half hour in the demo and 50+ crowd. "The Crazy Ones" and "Two and a Half Men" won the 50+ crowd but came in #2 in the demo and "Elementary" was #2 in the both age groups.

 

ABC's "Grey's Anatomy" and "Scandal" won the demo in their hours but will not premier its 8 pm entry until next week.

 

Fox had a solid #2 in the 8 pm hour with "The X Factor" but it appears "Glee" has a problem.

 

NBC tied The CW in the demo in the 8 pm hour. In terms of reputation, Thursday night's comedy ratings are worse than NBC ratings from three years ago and it's hard to imagine they'll see a ratings rise this year. "Parenthood" is performing better than "The Apprentice" did three years ago.

 

The CW. "The Vampire Diaries" last year premiered at 1.6/5 - 3.48 compared to this year's 1.2/4 - 2.55. The show's 2012-13 season finale scored 1.0/3 - 2.20 against the season finale of "American Idol" as well as the season finale of "Big Bang Theory", both of which score well with the demo. It's not unusual for the show to get a 30%+ jump when the live+7 ratings are in and the network's 16-29 female target demo do stream shows. But the network decided to premier "The Originals" instead of at Tuesday 8 pm next week. That decision may not have helped the show.


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Posted 05 October 2013 - 11:33 AM

The ratings shakeout has started. While "The Blacklist" received a full season order from NBC, "Lucky 7" got the ax from ABC.

 

Here's Friday:

 

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CBS won every half hour in the 50+ crowd giving it bragging rights to total viewers. "Undercover Boss" won the 8:30 half hour in the demo, otherwise the Eye's shows were #2. Last year "Blue Bloods" pulled 1.2/4 - 9.59 in its second week so this year's 1.4/5 - 11.09 represents growth.

 

ABC won the demo in every half hour but at 8:30 when "The Neighbors" dropped to #3. Unfortunately, what I think is a very clever comedy likely is in its last season and will be limited to 10-13 episodes.

 

NBC will air its fall lineup October 25.

 

Fox's "Junior Masterchef" ran #3 in a three-way new episode contest with ABC and CBS.

 

The CW's current plan is to start the season of "The Carrie Diaries" on October 25.


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Posted 08 October 2013 - 03:50 PM

Here's Sunday, for what it's worth:

 

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There's not a lot one can say about this past Monday as NBC won with NFL football and CBS has it's ratings fouled up with a  NFL football overrun in the Eastern time zone. As noted last week these are final ratings indicating shows in the regularly scheduled time slots even though in parts of the country the CBS shows ran quite late.

 

Here's Monday:

 

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Overall in three weeks there has been a general slide in demo viewership (-10% at 8-10 pm and -15% 8-11 pm).

 

CBS. The downward demo trend impact has most affected CBS and least affected NBC. The 50+ viewership has been reasonably stable which, given each network's normal appeal, should have benefited CBS. But the CBS Monday lineup fails to appeal to the 50+ viewers, leaving it in last place among the older folks (ignoring The CW) and last in the demo except for "HIMYM" at 8 pm which ran #2. The question for CBS suits is does this Monday problem represent a problem in programming that could extend into other nights in the next few years? It must be noted that "2 Broke Girls" ran #4 in the demo during the 9 pm half hour with its 2.2/6 - 7.18, compared to last year's 3.7/9 - 10.12 and two years ago  4.4/11 - 11.37. That's a 50% drop in the demo and a 25% drop in the 50+ crowd. Of course, sitcoms can be easily replaced, but It will be interesting to see what they do with "Hostages" in the short term.

 

NBC. The Sunday-Monday wins for the Peacock really don't mean as much for the future as they might like. They can't schedule NFL games every night and they know from experience that reality competition show big winners like "The Voice" tend to be the result of an accidental combination of ideas and personalities that appeal. Nonetheless, the situation has permitted "The Blacklist" to hold a large audience. Truthfully, being among the older audience I don't understand why "Castle" is still ahead of "The Blacklist" in the 50+.

 

ABC continues to do well with the 50+ viewers on Monday night. That gives them bragging rights as #2 in total viewers for the night for whatever that's worth.

 

Fox. "Bones" did tie for #2 in the demo in the 8:30 half hour which may be all Fox can hope for during the 8 pm hour. "Sleepy Hollow" was also #2 in the demo.

 

The CW premiered new seasons of "Hart of Dixie" and "Beauty & the Beast". Both shows premiered with higher ratings than "90210" and "Gossip Girl" did last year, but were down from their premiers on other nights last year. I would guess they lose a lot of their target 16-25 female demo audience to "The Voice" but one has to assume there's going to continue to be a loss of live audience to on-demand streaming which the network encourages. They also sell music and trinkets on their web site, so their goals are different from others.

 

Finally, we should be aware of the fact that Univision consistently scores well enough to be the #5 broadcast network and in the 18-34 demo they are frequently #3 or #4 in the 18-49 demo when their viewers are factored into the totals. We'll see more about this in the future.


Edited by phrelin, 08 October 2013 - 03:51 PM.

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 12:47 PM

Here's Tuesday:

 

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Ratings are about money. Each viewer is worth advertising money. Over the past three weeks the number of viewers on Tuesday night has declined. Those watching the five networks between 8-10 pm declined 11%, 15% in the demo, 10% in the 50+ crowd. Those watching the three networks between 8-11 pm declined 26%, 31% in the demo, 23% in the 50+ crowd. There are a lot of ways to view the numbers, but the decline from premier night is meaningful.

 

There is another way to view the numbers, however. In 1960 the highest rated show "Gunsmoke" pulled an average 17.6 million viewers while "NCIS" last night garnered 17.9 million viewers. Yes, "Gunsmoke" viewership represented 37% of TV households while "NCIS" viewership represents less than half the number of TV households today. Sometimes, one has to wonder if in relative value one 1960 viewer was worth more to advertisers than one 2013 viewer.

 

Anyway...

 

CBS is the network that in recent years has been the most effective at getting and keeping viewers in a consistent manner. Tuesday night in particular has been the Eye network's to lose. Here's how CBS Tuesday ratings have looked in comparable weeks over the past three years:

 

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*"Person of Interest" ran on Thursday at 9 pm in prior years but in

2012 the Vice-Presidential Debate preempted the normal schedule.

 

The fact is that "NCIS" has lost significant numbers of 18-49 demo viewers, ostensibly to "The Voice", but probably to a change in how the demo interacts with entertainment options. It will be interesting to see what happens when NBC airs its regularly scheduled 8 pm show "The Biggest Loser" next week. But it's worth noting that they have plans to move "The Voice" second night to the 8 pm slot in the Winter schedule.

 

"Person of Interest" which last May was pulling numbers like  2.4/7 - 12.76 on Thursday at 9 pm was moved to 10 pm Tuesday with the full knowledge that the move in time slot on weeknights from 9 pm to 10 pm guarantees a loss in the younger 18-34 viewers. What CBS may not have anticipated is that "The Voice" was going to carry the 18-49 demo viewers into "Chicago Fire" which is an appealing show to the demo. Primary "Chicago Fire" cast members include Jesse Spencer, 34, Taylor Kinney, 32, Monica Raymund, 27, Lauren German, 35. and Charlie Barnett, 24.

 

"Person of Interest" offers cast members Michael Emerson, 59, Kevin Chapman, 51, Jim Caviezel, 45, and Taraji P. Henson, 43. Yes, they've added Sarah Shahi, 33, as a regular. But that's not going to hold the demo as 49-year-olds age out and 17-year-olds age in.

 

It is a complex issue as it does appear that in live+same day viewers the 50+ group watch different TV than the 18-34 group, and the latter are watching far less live TV than in the past. What moves CBS makes will be interesting.

 

NBC clearly won the night among the demo viewers. However, they are only getting 60% of the 50+ viewers that CBS gets. How that affects revenue is not clear to me.

 

ABC is a solid #3 and the rerun of "Scandal" outperformed last week's "Lucky 7" which was canceled, a financially winning move.

 

Fox, in terms of its prized 18-49 demo, appears to have a lock on #4 except at 9:30 where The CW's "Supernatural" pulled a threatening 1.2/3 compared to "The Mindy' Project" 1.4/4.

 

The CW premiered "Supernatural" to solid ratings, the highest since 2010.


Edited by phrelin, 09 October 2013 - 12:53 PM.

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 03:01 AM

I read that We are Men has been cancelled.

 

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The second show to die early.  I have herd rumors that Hostages and Revenge won't be too far behind.


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Posted 10 October 2013 - 03:02 AM

I read that We are Men has been cancelled.

 

http://insidetv.ew.c...e-men-canceled/

 

The second show to die early.  I have herd rumors that Hostages and Revenge won't be too far behind.


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Posted 10 October 2013 - 10:49 AM

I read that We are Men has been cancelled.

 

http://insidetv.ew.c...e-men-canceled/

 

The second show to die early.  I have herd rumors that Hostages and Revenge won't be too far behind.

 

Yep. CBS is bringing "Mike & Molly" back in November while shuffling "2 Broke Girls" to 8:30 next Monday. I don't think that's going to help them much, but who knows? They don't have any momentum to replace "Hostages" and if they move something like "The Mentalist" there it will simply kill that show IMHO.

 

Here's Wednesday:

 

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CBS won every half hour in the demo and total viewers except at 9:00 pm when ABC's "Modern Family" won the demo.

 

ABC. As was the case for Monday and Tuesday, there continues to be a dropoff in total demo viewers. Unfortunate for ABC, that drop has been reflected in its ratings. The names of the shows "Back in the Game" and "Super Fun Night" apparently do not reflect what the viewers think.

 

Fox has problems with "X-Factor".

 

NBC. Apparently "Revolution" has found it's viewers and they do exceed The CW's "Arrow."  "L&O:SVU" probably achieved the same goal last night. "Ironside" will have to be canceled.

 

The CW. "Arrow" premiered at the same level as last season's finale which meant it didn't give a solid lead-in to "The Tomorrow People." Whether these shows will do well in the twitterverse giving decent streaming numbers will remain to be seen, but not by us here.


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Posted 11 October 2013 - 11:46 PM

Here's Thursday:

 

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CBS actually has bragging rights for the night because of the "Big Bang Theory" ratings even though the Eye only won the demo in the 8:00 and 8:30 half hours. They clearly have a lock on the 50+ viewers.

 

Fox claimed #2 in the demo 8-10 pm race with "X-Factor" and with "Gee" edging out "Grey's Anatomy".

 

ABC created "Once Upon a Time in Wonderland" in its effort to find something for the Thursday 8 pm slot that might attract viewers. It was only having the good fortune that NBC wants to set records as the worst network ever that they came in #3 at 8 pm. "Grey’s Anatomy" came in #2 in the demo and "Scandal" #1.

 

NBC. This headline summed up the night for NBC: NBC Ties All-Time Thursday Low, Finishes Seventh In Primetime Last Night as the Peacock worked for retrans fees last night. The article notes: "NBC finished as No. 7(!) in primetime last night behind CBS, the NFL Network, ABC, Fox, Univision and TBS." If it hadn't been for "Parenthood" they might as well have run an old Bob Hope movie. And they are killing "Parenthood" in that Thursday time slot. But hey, "Parenthood" which is a pretty great drama has had at least two series finale shows, or was it three? I wonder if they would consider moving Leno.... :sure:

 

The CW is The CW, what else can I say?


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Posted 12 October 2013 - 12:47 PM

NBC. This headline summed up the night for NBC: NBC Ties All-Time Thursday Low, Finishes Seventh In Primetime Last Night as the Peacock worked for retrans fees last night. The article notes: "NBC finished as No. 7(!) in primetime last night behind CBS, the NFL Network, ABC, Fox, Univision and TBS." If it hadn't been for "Parenthood" they might as well have run an old Bob Hope movie. And they are killing "Parenthood" in that Thursday time slot. But hey, "Parenthood" which is a pretty great drama has had at least two series finale shows, or was it three? I wonder if they would consider moving Leno.... :sure:

 

Even as a fan of Parenthood, I'd say that the move to Thursday is only part of the problem. I really think the show jumped the shark last year. I know my wife and I aren't nearly as enthusiastic about it as we used to be. Perhaps we're not the only ones.



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Posted 12 October 2013 - 01:01 PM

Here's Friday:

 

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CBS last night won ratings bragging rights for whatever that's worth. They again had the 50+ crowd in every half hour. They also won the demo in the 8:30, 10:00, and 10:30 half hours.

 

Fox's "Junior Masterchef" won the demo in the 8:00 half hour.

 

ABC's "Shark Tank" won the demo in the 9:00 and 9:30 half hours.

 

NBC was supposed to start its regular Friday schedule on October 25. However, I wonder if they want to use "Grimm" and "Dracula" elsewhere in their schedule, like maybe Thursday?

 

The CW aired content last night. :sure:


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Posted 12 October 2013 - 01:20 PM

Even as a fan of Parenthood, I'd say that the move to Thursday is only part of the problem. I really think the show jumped the shark last year. I know my wife and I aren't nearly as enthusiastic about it as we used to be. Perhaps we're not the only ones.

 

"Parenthood" last winter on Tuesday night was getting ratings like 1.8/5 - 4.87 which weren't super when CBS and ABC were offering weak shows ("Vegas" and "Private Practice"). "Parenthood" was, however, getting a big boost in the demo from live+7 DVR use.

 

But yes, the show has struggled a bit to rebuild its story arcs each season after they essentially ended the prior season with a perfect series finale. By the end of last seasons we were satisfied with the stories. This season we're struggling quit a bit with one of the story lines. But it's tough to find a better ensemble cast on TV today IMHO.


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Posted 12 October 2013 - 10:15 PM

NBC. This headline summed up the night for NBC: NBC Ties All-Time Thursday Low, Finishes Seventh In Primetime Last Night as the Peacock worked for retrans fees last night. The article notes: "NBC finished as No. 7(!) in primetime last night behind CBS, the NFL Network, ABC, Fox, Univision and TBS." If it hadn't been for "Parenthood" they might as well have run an old Bob Hope movie. And they are killing "Parenthood" in that Thursday time slot. But hey, "Parenthood" which is a pretty great drama has had at least two series finale shows, or was it three? I wonder if they would consider moving Leno.... :sure:

 

 

 

If it weren't for The Voice and football, NBC would have nothing at all to speak of.  There must be a lot of hand wringing going on in the boardroom over there.  These two products are doing very well, but they aren't the whole schedule by a long ways.  At the end of the football season, they will be really hurting.  I see many dominos falling in their schedule.


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 10:51 PM

Just to satisfy my curiosity, I'm keeping a table showing average ratings by network for new episodes of shows for Monday-Thursday. Those are the nights that the network suits attempt to place continuing series programs that they expect to make their network competitive. Beyond that, strategies differ. Obviously NBC skews Sunday with NFL football. CBS tries to maintain its competitive edge on Friday while it's a graveyard for Fox shows. And sometime in my lifetime Saturday disappeared off the calendar in the broadcast TV world.

 

The table below is based on ratings through the past week, which is to say they include premiers and a varying number of episodes of shows. If you need to see a large spreadsheet version, just click on the table:

 

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It is no surprise that overall CBS has a substantial lead in the 50+ age group. What is surprising is that they have a slight overall lead in the demo. Keep in mind that these numbers involve new episodes of the regularly scheduled programs.


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 08:04 AM

If it weren't for The Voice and football, NBC would have nothing at all to speak of.  There must be a lot of hand wringing going on in the boardroom over there.  These two products are doing very well, but they aren't the whole schedule by a long ways.  At the end of the football season, they will be really hurting.  I see many dominos falling in their schedule.

 

Grimm is still chugging along quite nicely, and The Blacklist appears to be a legitimate hit.

 

Hey, that's more than in recent years. I guess that could be considered progress.



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Posted 15 October 2013 - 06:36 PM

If it weren't for The Voice and football, NBC would have nothing at all to speak of.  There must be a lot of hand wringing going on in the boardroom over there.  These two products are doing very well, but they aren't the whole schedule by a long ways.  At the end of the football season, they will be really hurting.  I see many dominos falling in their schedule.

 

"The Voice" functions well for NBC. It's lead-in has given "The Blacklist" a chance to gain an audience on Monday and "Chicago Fire" to build beyond its loyal but small audience on Tuesday. They both are successful this season. The problem with NFL football is that it makes money for NBCU and NBC affiliates and makes NBC Sports look really good, but it does nothing for the folks that have to program a regular schedule except to have to introduce a regular Sunday lineup in the Winter after the other nets have established. On the other hand, last year they squandered the Monday time slot on "Smash" which would have been a great Winter Sunday show. Another piece of advice I'd give them is to not advertise in the most expensive magazines read only by the suits in fashion and media who the suits at 30 Rock party with. They are still squandering advertising money on magazines like Vanity Fair for "The Blacklist." A better choice would be "Guns & Ammo."

 

Here's Sunday which is worth nothing except to see what baseball playoffs do to NFL Sunday:

 

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The easiest way to look at Sunday is to note that at 9 pm 6 million more folks than normal were watching baseball on Fox. ABC and CBS saw a drop while NBC's NFL game did better than previous weeks. I'm not sure what any of that means other than folks like baseball and some NFL teams have more fans than others.

 

Here's Monday:

 

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NBC won every half hour in the demo and bragging rights to every half hour total viewers.

 

ABC won every half hour in the 50+ crowd.

 

Fox did ok in the 9 pm hour.

 

CBS restructured its comedy lineup giving a boost to "2 Broke Girls" by moving it to 8:30  While the rerun of "The Big Bang Theory" at 9 pm did slightly better than last week's "2 Broke Girls" it didn't help "MOM" much. "Hostages" has its audience at the traditional NBC level which has to be giving CEO Les Moonves heartburn.

 

The CW also aired some new episodes of "Hart of Dixie" and "Beauty & the Beast" last night. What can I say.... headscratch.gif
 


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Posted 15 October 2013 - 07:06 PM

I liked Beauty and the Beast last year.  This year, not so much.  We'll see.  But I like a lot of the light CW fluff.  Fun, romantic and non thought provoking.


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 03:11 PM

I liked Beauty and the Beast last year.  This year, not so much.  We'll see.  But I like a lot of the light CW fluff.  Fun, romantic and non thought provoking.

 

We find we need some of that fluff, particularly because in the past few years a lot of drama programming has gotten darker and darker.

 

Here's Tuesday:

 

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CBS. Tuesday nights were the Eye Network's to lose. They still easily control bragging rights to total viewers in every half hour because they have a substantial lead in the 50+ crowd. "NCIS" won the demo in both its half hours while "Person of Interest" tied for #1 in the demo in the 10:30 half hour. "NCIS: LA" was #2 against "The Voice" one hour show.

 

NBC's "The Biggest Loser" got its lowest ratings for a premier night. "The Voice" did well giving "Chicago Fire" a demo win in the 10 pm half hour but some of the fickle 18-49 crowd apparently went to bed by 10:30.

 

ABC. "Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D." seems to be bleeding viewers. The 9 pm comedies are not keepers. And, of course, they have already moved a rerun to 10 pm.

 

Fox's comedy lineup is not doing well.

 

The CW also aired some new episodes of "The Originals" and "Supernatural."  On the same week a year ago "Supernatural" was on Wednesday and scored 1.0/3 - 2.19 compared to this year's higher 1.1/3 - 2.31 which I guess is a win for The CW. :sure:


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Posted 17 October 2013 - 10:59 AM

Here's Wednesday:

 

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I've included last week in the charts for comparison to see the impact of Fox having baseball playoffs and ABC running the animated "Toy Story of Terror" at 8 pm.

 

Fox. Last week "X-Factor" gave Fox the #3 position. This week "X-Factor" fans in my DMA tuned into garbage - the game was over, there was no "X-Factor". So reading between the lines my guess is that they checked out the competition on ABC and CBS and maybe some will like what the saw. Fox suits will be blaming "X-Factor" for losing viewers. Actually, greed on the part of Fox suits blinds them to the damage created by playing Where's Waldo with their scheduling. People who view "live" expect dependability. It isn't like running the baseball playoffs gets great ratings justifying preempting the normal schedule.

 

CBS won the night even though the only half hour their shows were #1 in the demo was 9:30. In the 50+ crowd they weren't #1 at 8 pm half hour and 9 pm half hour.

 

ABC got a ratings boost for the night running the animated special "Toy Story of Terror". However, other than gaining some bragging rights what can be seen is that there were just more live viewers than normal at 8 pm, viewers that won't be back next week. It most certainly did not result in more viewers for "Back in the Game" at 8:30 and it might have lost regular viewers for "The Middle."

 

NBC did better than The CW with expensive programming. :nono2:

 

The CW. Oddly enough "Arrow" drew more viewers this week than the season premier did last week. I don't know whether it was just a minor blip in the stats or the result of ABC and Fox playing Where's Waldo with the schedule, but "Arrow" gained about 200,000 more demo viewers. That did not carry over to "The Tomorrow People" which scored the same as last week in the demo.


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Posted 17 October 2013 - 11:58 AM


Fox. Last week "X-Factor" gave Fox the #3 position. This week "X-Factor" fans in my DMA tuned into garbage - the game was over, there was no "X-Factor". So reading between the lines my guess is that they checked out the competition on ABC and CBS and maybe some will like what the saw. Fox suits will be blaming "X-Factor" for losing viewers. Actually, greed on the part of Fox suits blinds them to the damage created by playing Where's Waldo with their scheduling. People who view "live" expect dependability. It isn't like running the baseball playoffs gets great ratings justifying preempting the normal schedule.

 

Get used to it. FOX just extended its baseball contract through 2021.

 

http://static.foxspo...49194799783.pdf

 

I'm still not sure what you want them to do. They have 52 weeks to fill, and they can't necessarily show new scripted and reality programs every single week. Live sports is better than reruns.



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 01:42 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if we see the playoffs other than the World Series on FOX sports 1 soon.

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 11:30 AM

Get used to it. FOX just extended its baseball contract through 2021.

 

http://static.foxspo...49194799783.pdf

 

I'm still not sure what you want them to do. They have 52 weeks to fill, and they can't necessarily show new scripted and reality programs every single week. Live sports is better than reruns.

 

Yes and no. If you're making all your programming decisions for your network based on live+same_day 18-49 demo ratings, you are putting you're programming production companies at the mercy of people who plop down on the proverbial couch on Wednesday, switch on the TV to watch a program they expect to watch now not Saturday on their DVR. When the show is not there, they will either take a look at something else and maybe decide they like it instead of the unreliably scheduled program they had been watching or quit plopping down on the couch on Wednesday. Now that's ok if Fox suits will not cancel the unreliably scheduled expensive show that generally gets a 0.4/1.0 - 2.89. But look around these threads and see how many of us are decades-long into despair over what we call great programming on Fox that they played Where's Waldo with then seemed astonished that the live+same_day 18-49 demo ratings collapsed.

 

Regarding reruns, look at CBS show summer reruns and syndicated cable channel ratings. Here's my prejudice showing, but I think that a significant number of live+same_day 18-49 demo viewers appear to be technologically challenged couch potatoes. I think that a significant number of Fox's great scifi show 18-49 demo viewers use DVR's and on-demand mobile technology. When

  • your actual viewers don't match the viewers you count to decide what shows to renew AND
  • you do everything you can with your programs to discourage the viewers you count THEN
  • you are among the worst media executives.

I don't care if they run sports 24/7. But advertisers have surely figured out by now that the only advance commitment one should make to any Fox show is for things like baseball playoffs. And for programming production companies here's a warning: Fox will play Where's Waldo with your show discouraging the only viewers Fox is willing to count. Fox might give you an extra season on Friday as a consolation prize. Take a hard look at cable channels including FX owned by the same company.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if we see the playoffs other than the World Series on FOX sports 1 soon.

 

From a financial standpoint that makes sense. TBS makes it work.

 

West Coast baseball fans knew that last night there was a playoff game on Fox beginning at 3:30 pm but the couch potatoes I'm talking about who were intending to watch "Glee" were confronted with syndicated reruns or local programing.  "Glee" will not be there again next week because of Game 2 of the World Series. My guess is I will never post again what I posted Thursday last week:

 

Fox claimed #2 in the demo 8-10 pm race with "X-Factor" and with "Gee" edging out "Grey's Anatomy".

 

West Coast baseball fans know that tonight there will be a playoff game on TBS at 5:30 pm - they don't mind having to look around. And there will be no discouraged Fox-viewing couch potatoes.

 

Yes, Fox will make money not because of the playoffs but because of the World Series. Sometimes the World Series makes a lot of money, sometimes not so much. But the playoffs are what a store would call a "loss leader." The difference is the store doesn't empty its shelves of all other products customers expect to buy when they drive into the parking lot.


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Posted 18 October 2013 - 11:41 AM

Yes and no. If you're making all your programming decisions for your network based on live+same_day 18-49 demo ratings, you are putting you're programming production companies at the mercy of people who plop down on the proverbial couch on Wednesday, switch on the TV to watch a program they expect to watch now not Saturday on their DVR. When the show is not there, they will either take a look at something else and maybe decide they like it instead of the unreliably scheduled program they had been watching or quit plopping down on the couch on Wednesday. Now that's ok if Fox suits will not cancel the unreliably scheduled expensive show that generally gets a 0.4/1.0 - 2.89. But look around these threads and see how many of us are decades-long into despair over what we call great programming on Fox that they played Where's Waldo with then seemed astonished that the live+same_day 18-49 demo ratings collapsed.

 

But it's only a few days in October!

 

I really doubt that people are unable to find the shows they want to watch, when they want to watch them. Nobody expects the same show to be in the same time slot (first run or repeats) 52 weeks a year.






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