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2013-14 Season Broadcast Ratings - Fall


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#51 OFFLINE   phrelin

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Posted 19 October 2013 - 06:59 PM

But it's only a few days in October!

 

I really doubt that people are unable to find the shows they want to watch, when they want to watch them. Nobody expects the same show to be in the same time slot (first run or repeats) 52 weeks a year.

 

You are far more optimistic than I am about the attention span of the those who are still viewing live.

 

Here's Thursday's final ratings with baseball timezone issues adjusted:

 

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CBS continues to win in the 50+ viewer segment and "Big Bang Theory" still gives them bragging rights to the demo for the night.

 

Fox actually won the bragging rights to #2 for the night.

 

ABC has given Fox those bragging rights because "Once Upon a Time in Wonderland" left the Disney fairy tale folks behind The CW at 8 pm in the demo.

 

NBC yesterday canceled "Welcome to the Family" which left them also behind The CW in the demo and the 50+ crowd in the 8:30 half hour.

 

The CW's "Vampire Diaries" came in #3 in the demo last night! That didn't help "Reign."

 

 

Here's Friday:

 

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CBS won the night by virtue of its 50+ viewership. But it only won the demo in the first two half hours.

 

ABC's "Shark Tank" won the demo in its hour.

 

NBC's "Dateline" won the demo in its hour.

 

Fox "Junior Masterchef" ran #2 in the demo in the 8:30 half hour.

 

The CW ran some shows. :sure:


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Posted 20 October 2013 - 12:53 PM

But it's only a few days in October!

 

I really doubt that people are unable to find the shows they want to watch, when they want to watch them. Nobody expects the same show to be in the same time slot (first run or repeats) 52 weeks a year.

 

au contraire,

I have DVRs......... 6 tuners in the House and I still prefer consistent scheduling. Some shows are set to record New Only, others are on the bubble and I decide to record and watch them on a week to week basis.
 

FWIW I find myself just as likely to watch Ghost Mine and Haven ahead of many other shows. I watched the Closer and now its sequel and Psych when they are on. The Networks are slowly loosing me as a viewer. That is Due to So called reality Shows and other tripe. I still watch their scripted shows.

 

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Posted 21 October 2013 - 01:19 AM

au contraire,
I have DVRs......... 6 tuners in the House and I still prefer consistent scheduling. Some shows are set to record New Only, others are on the bubble and I decide to record and watch them on a week to week basis.

FWIW I find myself just as likely to watch Ghost Mine and Haven ahead of many other shows. I watched the Closer and now its sequel and Psych when they are on. The Networks are slowly loosing me as a viewer. That is Due to So called reality Shows and other tripe. I still watch their scripted shows.

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I don't get it, if you record all your shows and have six tuners why would you ever need to have the show on at the same time? Set all channel CBS and NBC on one DVR, all FOX and ABC on another, all The CW on the third and spread the cable shows (by channels) out amoung them all evenly and your all set. No need to every worry about conflicts and always know easily where to set any recordings for any one given channel.

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 01:32 PM

Here are the Sunday final ratings:

 

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There really isn't much I can say about these. NBC's Sunday night NFL game overwhelms the rating system. CBS shows, particularly "The Mentalist"  took a hit because in the Eastern time zone there was a football overrun on CBS resulting in a delayed start time for the schedule. And for whatever reason, ABC thinks nighttime soaps are the best they can do against the others.

 

 

Here's Monday:

 

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NBC. Monday is the one night the programming folks at NBC can claim as a true winner.

 

CBS. Monday is the one night the programming folks at CBS have had to struggle. I "adjusting" the comedy schedule they managed to take #2 in the demo in the first four half hours. Now they have to find a show for 10 pm that can compete.

 

ABC's "Dancing with the Stars" has been a traditional winner in the 50+ crowd and was so last night. It appears to have given "Castle" that win also.

 

Fox for whatever reason ran a rerun of "Sleepy Hollow" but they still beat The CW for whatever that is worth.

 

The CW Monday night shows are up against stiff competition for their target demo. "The Voice" is very competitive in that age group and there one of the stars on "DWTS" is from ABC Family's “Pretty Little Liars” which appeals to the same demo. Nonetheless, it is worth noting that both "Hart of Dixie" and "Beauty and the Beast" were up from last week.


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 02:51 PM

I don't get it, if you record all your shows and have six tuners why would you ever need to have the show on at the same time? Set all channel CBS and NBC on one DVR, all FOX and ABC on another, all The CW on the third and spread the cable shows (by channels) out among them all evenly and your all set. No need to every worry about conflicts and always know easily where to set any recordings for any one given channel.

 

I just prefer to have as much as possible on the DVR hooked up to the Largest HDTV, SD shows are for watching on the Sony SDTV, That DVR also feeds a 27" HDTV via a 30 foot HDMI cable. I Leave the Third DVR for my Brother to use on the 32" HDTV.
 

Despite having search and such I prefer in many cases to schedule probably 50% +/- of my watching on one time timers. Having a consistent time and day helps with that.

 

Sometimes I look at a show that I recorded with one time timers and set a New shows only, Other times such as with Sleepy Hollow I stop recording it.

 

It is a preference thing, what can I say.

 

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 01:10 PM

Here's Tuesday:

 

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CBS. Again, coming into this 2013 Fall Season, Tuesday was the Eye Network's to lose. As usual, CBS won the 50+ in every half hour but came in #2 in the 18-49 demo in the 9:00 and 9:30 half hours.

 

NBC has done well with "The Voice" which as a lead-in has given "Chicago Fire" a boost. But unless the final ratings change something, "Chicago Fire" came in #2 in the demo for the first time since the season started.

 

ABC. "Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D." has been bleeding viewers every week since the premier. Last night's demo was 57% of the premier's ratings and 62% of the 50+ premier ratings. In contrast "NCIS" on CBS was at 88% of it's season opener demo and 97% of the 50+ crowd rating. ABC's 9:00 hour comedy lineup has dismal ratings. And, of course, they already canceled their 10 pm show.

 

Fox. The average ratings for the Fox comedy lineup last night was 1.5/4 - 3.50. I'm not sure you can make money on four sitcoms with that average, but who knows? Perhaps if they start selling music and T-shirts they can make these pay.

 

The CW. By the apparent standards of The CW, "The Originals" and "Supernatural" are doing ok. And, you can buy T-shirts...

 

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...and other items here. :sure:


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 12:11 PM

Here's Wednesday, a milestone night with the 100th episode of "The Middle" and the 300th episode of "CSI":

 

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Fox had game 1 of this year's World Series  which distorts the ratings. On the West Coast it began at 4:30 pm and had virtually no impact on prime time. This means that we could watch the game live and then watch our favorite prime time TV shows live, unless our favorite Wednesday prime time TV was "X-Factor." However, East Coast live viewers did not have that option.

 

ABC's "Modern Family" generally gives the Disney-owned network a demo win in the 8-10pm contest on Wednesday evening but last night's ratings distortion seems to have slipped them behind CBS as well as behind the World Series on Fox.

 

CBS. Against the World Series the Eye Network's lineup retained its viewers.

 

NBC continues to see a dismal Wednesday offering up the last episode of "Ironside" at 10 pm.

 

The CW shows might have been affected by the World Series or not. :sure:


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Posted 25 October 2013 - 01:49 PM

Here's Thursday:

 

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Fox had the World Series which as noted yesterday distorts these ratings.

 

CBS continues to appear to be winning the demo, but actually it's because "Big Bang Theory" does so well that it ran #1 in its half hour last night despite the World Series.

 

ABC ran #2 in the four half hours beginning at 9 pm.

 

NBC Thursday shows don't do very well particularly since they ran a rerun of "The Voice."

 

The CW also ran some shows and offers music and trinkets such as mouse pads here:

 

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Posted 26 October 2013 - 12:00 PM

Here's Friday:

 

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NBC premiered its regular Fall Season Friday lineup last night which gave them pretty good ratings ... for a Friday. "Grimm" came in #2 in the demo behind "Shark Tank" but "Dracula" was #1 in the demo. On the equivalent week last year a non-premier of "Grimm" scored a 1.9/6 - 6.00 compared to this year's 1.8/6 - 6.13, so it appears NBC's continued support of this show seems justified.

 

CBS won the age 50+ crowd in all six half hours as usual and "Blue Bloods" actually landed 50+ viewers that had been going to NBC's two hour "Datelines" in previous weeks which raises some questions about the long-term efficacy of "Dracula" as demo viewers aren't a very reliable Friday audience.

 

ABC's lineup which included reruns of its 8 pm comedy lineup came in #3 but "Shark Tank" did win the demo at 9 pm and was #2 among the 50+ viewers.

 

Fox's "Junior Masterchef" tied for #1 in the demo in the 8 pm half hour but was #2 in the 8:30 half hour. They reran two episodes of "The Simpsons" in the 9 pm hour just because.

 

The CW premiered "The Carrie Diaries" to low ratings and the "iHeartRadio: Katy Perry" special at 9 pm did very poorly.


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Posted 29 October 2013 - 04:58 PM

Here's Sunday for what it's worth:

 

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I'm not sure one can draw any conclusions from these ratings except NFL Football and the World Series draw a large audience. Even CBS had a NFL football overrun in parts of the country. But the ratings above pretend that the NBC NFL and the Fox World Series games ran in prime time and the CBS lineup ran as scheduled across the country. In fact, here on the West Coast many who watched one of the games not in prime time watched ABC and CBS shows as scheduled in prime time.

 

 

Here's Monday:

 

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Fox had a World Series game last night which meant that on the West Coast you could watch the game and then watch some regularly scheduled prime time TV while on the East Coast if you watched the game you did so in prime time. This, of course, should skew the ratings. But I've included last week in the averages and surprisingly it had little impact on regularly scheduled shows.

 

NBC continues to dominate Monday nights in the demo beating the World Series on Fox except at 10 pm.

 

ABC continues to dominate Monday nights in the 50+ group beating the World Series on Fox except at 10 pm.

 

CBS is going to have to rethink Monday.

 

The CW offers shows and sells stuff.


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Posted 31 October 2013 - 11:39 PM

Running a bit behind but that's another story for another thread. Here's Tuesday:

 

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Fox. What's interesting about Tuesday is Fox's use of "The X Factor" to replace two hours of sitcoms. It's interesting because basically it did nearly as poorly as the four sitcoms have this fall.

 

ABC decided to offer a rerun of "Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D." thus combining it with the rest of their offering to allow them to beat The CW lineup, barely.

 

CBS. It was Tuesday and as usual the Eye Network walked away with the 50+ crowd and bragging rights to total viewers.

 

NBC extended "The Voice" to give it a solid demo win from 9 to 11 pm.

 

The CW hopefully sold some music and trinkets from the airing of their Tuesday  lineup.

 

 

Here's Wednesday with the last 2013 World Series game:

 

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Fox did well with last night's game, but as usual it wasn't shown in prime time on the West Coast so it simply skews the ratings.

 

CBS. Ignoring the game's ratings, CBS won the night.

 

ABC ran behind CBS.

 

NBC reran a two hour "L&O: SVU" from 9 to 11 pm, which along with "Revolution" in the first hour allowed them to handily beat The CW lineup.

 

The CW shows did not do so well last night.


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Posted 01 November 2013 - 12:24 PM

Here's Thursday:

 

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CBS. The suits at the Eye Network must have a soft spot in their hearts for Charlie Brown as they let ABC"s "It’s the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown" go up against a rerun of "The Big Bang Theory." That rerun choice had a significant impact on the demo ratings of "The Millers" and "The Crazy Ones."  They also ran another rerun of "TBBT" at 9:30 instead of "Two and a Half Men" and it pulled lower demo ratings. "Elementary" still runs behind ABC's "Scandal" in the demo.  In terms of the 50+ crowd, CBS continues its domination.

 

ABC as noted above had a good night in the demo last night.

 

The CW tied Fox in the demo last night in three of four half hours.That doesn't mean that "The Vampire Diaries" or "Reign" did particularly well as....

 

Fox, having to figure out something to schedule in case the World Series didn't run to seven games, ran a clips show of "The X-Factor" and a rerun of "Glee".  Four weeks ago when they last ran a regular schedule, Fox ran #2 in the demo in the 8-10 race. It will be interesting to see if they can regain that position next week when CBS and ABC run their regular lineup and NBC runs "The Voice" live eliminations at 8 pm.


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Posted 02 November 2013 - 06:29 PM

Here's Friday:

 

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CBS continues to dominate the 50+ crowd of live+same day viewers winning all six half hours.

 

ABC won the 18-49 demo race scoring #1 in 5 of the 6 half hours. "The Neighbors" is in trouble.

 

NBC didn't read the memo from their sister cable channel Syfy - SciFriday didn't work after we entered the 21st Century. Nonetheless, "Grimm" is doing ok ranking #2 in the demo during its half hours.

 

Fox. Next week is the end of this Friday lineup.

 

The CW. Oh well, you can buy the following songs from this weeks "Carrie Diaries" at the show's website:

 

Song Title - Album - Artist

Suddenly Last Summer - Essential Collection - The Motels

Cities in Dust - Tinderbox - Siouxsie and the Banshees

Missing You - No Brakes - John Waite

What is Love - Human's Lib - Howard Jones

Cruel Summer - Rhino Hi-Five: Bananarama - Bananarama

Never Surrender - Corey Hart: The Singles - Corey Hart

Heaven - So Far So Good - Bryan Adams


Edited by phrelin, 02 November 2013 - 06:32 PM.

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Posted 02 November 2013 - 07:27 PM

It is starting, "it" being the de facto trivialization of broadcast TV ratings. According to the folks over at Deadline Hollywood:

 

Broadcast network Premiere Week numbers for 30-day multi-platform playback on DVR, VOD, online, etc. are out, confirming that overnight Nielsen ratings are now very preliminary reads and the broadcast networks got off to a much better start this season than originally reported. CBS weighed in this morning, reporting that the overall audience for the premiere episode of new Monday drama Hostages – initially reported at a disappointing 7.41 million viewers, based on Nielsen fast nationals issued the next morning — now stands 15.54 million strong. That’s a jump of 110% with the 30-day multi-platform playback factored in. Similarly, the opening audience for Chuck Lorre’s new CBS comedy Mom jumped 72%, from 7.99 million viewers, to 13.77 million. And the crowd for the opening night of David E. Kelley’s new Robin Williams comedy The Crazy Ones now stands at nearly 24 million viewers, after growing 52% over the 30 days.

 

Fox, which launched new series before Premiere Week, had already reported 30-day multi-platform total audiences for the majority of its premieres delivered lifts of 80% to 108% versus the series’ same-day deliveries. Fox’s premiere of Sleepy Hollow on September 16 soared 108% to 26.4 million viewers across Live, DVR, VOD and streaming on Hulu.com and Fox.com. Brooklyn Nine-Nine climbed 97% to 14.6 million viewers across platforms. Returning New Girl and The Mindy Project snagged lifts of 80%. Fox also noted a 76% increase in viewing of its in-season shows on Hulu than at same point last season (34.3 mil views vs. 19.5 mil).

 

....You’ve probably seen the news reports about the jump in time-delayed viewing this season, as late-adopters (older viewers) are joining the trend — older viewers being a key component of CBS’ “We are broadcasters” message. “This season we already are seeing a substantially greater use of time-shifting by viewers to expand their viewing horizons, leading to larger overall audiences for the most popular programs, including both the established hits and the hot newcomers,” CBS Chief Research Officer David Poltrack said in this morning’s news.

 

In other words, even CBS acknowledges that the value of TV shows they broadcast through local broadcast affiliates cannot continue to be determined by the viewing habits of the relatively small number of "Live+Same Day" viewers. The times they are a changing.


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Posted 02 November 2013 - 07:35 PM

But the problem remains that advertising dollars are needed to even continue airing the programs.  If they adopt the 30 day viewing model, then obviously they realize that people are recording their TV and watching later.  That means NO ONE is watching commercials!!

 

How do they reconcile that?


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Posted 03 November 2013 - 02:27 AM

Scary as it is many people still watch the commercials even if they DVR something.

And 30 days isn't a problem for a lot if advertisers. That's only an issue if it's truly time sensitive, like a sale of some sort. Not a car branding commercial.

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 08:23 AM

I'm finding that I often just let the show run these days and either catch up on Internet happenings during commercials or go with the standard bio break.  Granted it's not all the time, but a much bigger chunk of time than I used to.  Doesn't mean I'm paying direct attention to the commercials, but subliminally, it's there.


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Posted 03 November 2013 - 03:41 PM

I record a lot and still see commercials for a couple reasons ... 1 being what Doug mentioned. The other isn't really normal: When watching TV in bed, I can't control anything (disability), so someone will start playback for me.


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Posted 03 November 2013 - 08:38 PM

I primarily record the shows to skip the commercials and will sometimes wait weeks before I watch the shows. I currently have Elementary and Person of Interest both on the DVR and have not watched a single episode yet. With them I will spend an entire evening watching 4 or 5 episodes back to back. It is this kind of viewing habit that renders the ratings not as relevant as they once were.


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Posted 04 November 2013 - 12:16 AM

But the problem remains that advertising dollars are needed to even continue airing the programs.  If they adopt the 30 day viewing model, then obviously they realize that people are recording their TV and watching later.  That means NO ONE is watching commercials!!

 

How do they reconcile that?

 

The key is in the language "numbers for 30-day multi-platform playback on DVR, VOD, online, etc."

 

It is true that DVR playback means commercial skipping, but as others have commented not everyone skips every commercial. In fact, in our household we tend to stop to watch certain types of commercials if we catch a glimpse - mostly animals (yeah, were among those people who particularly like to watch anthropomorphic animals).

 

But the numbers of viewers of VOD and online content are multiplying. What I've learned with online viewing is that I can't avoid ads. CBS hasn't been as free to give away online viewing as the original participants in HULU.

 

I can't really prove it, but it seems CBS CEO Les Moonves has been studying how to effectively monetize content instead of worrying about looking like a cool, tech savvy old guy. He is clearly irked by Charlie Ergen and Dish's Hopper with auto ad skip. I assume he's noticing that Showtime Anytime (CBS owns Showtime) allows subscribers flexible access. But what does one do in the Broadcast TV environment? That's a tough one. As time goes by broadcast affiliates are becoming an economic liability. Most viewers get their signal the late-20th Century way, via cable or satellite. The national networks might as well be cable channels.

 

It will be interesting to see how it all falls out.


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Posted 04 November 2013 - 01:42 PM

As noted in the thread The Mentalist shows rerun, NFL football screws up the schedule. Therefore it screws up the Nielsen Broadcast TV ratings system on Sunday. That's why I have been waiting in this thread to post Sunday until I have the final corrected ratings for Sundays which aren't available until Tuesday.

 

Also, in years past I have started a new thread for the Nielsen "sweeps" period because we ratings watchers continued to pretend that the sweeps period mattered. In fact, the Nielsen designated sweeps period doesn't matter any more. Weak new shows aren't even given the exposure of sweeps before being canceled. In the first weeks of the Fall schedule particularly, but also the Winter schedule, shows are regularly preempted for sports overuns and awards shows. Reality shows, particularly reality competition shows, get extra runs during the week preempting weaker shows.

 

So I'm not going to start a new thread for Fall Sweeps which started last Thursday. Instead, I'm trying to keep running averages in millions of viewers (total, 18-49 demo viewers, age 50+ viewers) for the entire Fall Season.

 

Today I'm offering the following Fall 2013 pre-sweeps total "live+same day" viewer information...

 

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...to compare with the live ratings in 1960-61...

 

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I do not assign a ranking number to "NBC Sunday Night Football" as it is not network controlled content. Short of the network people keeping their cameras on the sky at all times, people will watch NFL football because the NFL content is popular. However, it is worth noting that even "NBC Sunday Night Football" cannot get 2/3rds of the 9.78% share of the American population that watched "Gunsmoke" in 1960-61. And only 11 of the 2013 Fall shows got the raw number viewership of show #30 in 1960-61.

 

Of the top 35 shows this fall so far (ignoring "NBC Sunday Night Football"), 16 are on CBS compared to 17 in 1960-61, 9 are on ABC compared to 8 in 1960-61, 7 are on NBC (separately counting the two scheduled nights of "The Voice") compared to 5 in 1960-61, and 4 are on Fox (separately counting the two scheduled nights of "X-Factor" and Fox didn't exist in 1960-61). On CBS "NCIS" averaged 18.8 million viewers this fall compared to "Gunsmoke" with 17.6 million in 1960-61. On ABC "Dancing with the Stars" averaged 13.6 million viewers this fall compared to "The Real McCoys" with 13.1 million in 1960-61. On NBC "The Voice -  Monday" averaged 12.5 million viewers this fall compared to "Wagon Train" with 16.1 million in 1960-61.

 

A couple of obvious facts. These numbers represent people viewing the shows in the evening they are aired. There was no "30-day multi-platform playback on DVR, VOD, online, etc." to talk about. Approximate 10% of the households watched "Gunsmoke" in 1960-61. Today, only a bit more half that share of households may watch a really popular show live on the night it airs. But "NCIS" likely matches that when considering "30-day multi-platform playback on DVR, VOD, online, etc."

 

And still shows get canceled these days before the "30-day multi-platform playback on DVR, VOD, online, etc." information is available. That's because those who control advertising are Americans. and we Americans have a very short attention span these days. After all, a company's value is determined not by what they are doing to prepare for next year, but what they earned yesterday. As others have noted "M*A*S*H" was ranked #47 in its first season and by today's standards would have been dropped at episode 3. And yet it's February 28, 1983, finale, "Goodbye, Farewell and Amen", becoming the most watched television episode in U.S. television history at the time, with a record-breaking 125 million viewers. I wonder how many 21st Century canceled shows could have become among "America's most beloved TV shows" if they had been given two full seasons to develop?

 

And that's the way it is....


Edited by phrelin, 04 November 2013 - 01:44 PM.

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 01:00 AM

Running a little behind here. Here's Sunday:

 

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Not much to say here since CBS had a football overrun that shifted their entire schedule in the East but in the West we watched "The Good Wife" and the rest all at the scheduled time.

 

 

Here's Monday:

 

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We're pretty much back to normal Monday's now that "Mike & Molly" have returned on CBS. Not much to say.

 

 

Here's Tuesday:

 

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Again, not too  much to comment on. NBC has preempted "Chicago Fire" at 10 pm with a second hour of "The Voice" two weeks in a row. I realize "The Voice" does better in the ratings than "Chicago Fire" but it was winning the demo in that time slot. I hope in their greed they haven't lost demo viewers to other activities as I like that show and they have exactly one other winning scripted show in their entire lineup.


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Posted 07 November 2013 - 01:21 PM

Here's Wednesday:

 

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ABC won the night with "The CMA Awards."

 

CBS came in #2, down 4.6% in the demo and 4.7% in the 50+ crowd over October 9 which was the last Wednesday without a baseball playoff, World Series game, or "The CMA Awards." Actually, that is pretty remarkable.

 

Fox. I'm sure feeling financially flush after the baseball playoff-World Series, the suits at Fox may have discovered they flushed "The X-Factor" audience. Last night's 1.5/4 - 4.51 has to be compared to the October 9th 2.2/6 - 7.14. That's a 32% drop in the demo and a 37% drop in total viewers.  Basically, the show went from comfortable to "consider-for-cancellation" ratings. I'd hate to be the guy responsible for regular programming at Fox. The only comment you could make is "You can't play Where's Waldo with the schedule and expect to do much better than The CW."

 

NBC programmers (excluding NBC Sports and NBC News) this Fall have two shows with good ratings - "The Voice" and "The Blacklist."  Since neither appears on Wednesday's schedule, one can only say they are doing better than The  CW.

 

The CW. There isn't much one can say about the ratings of shows on The CW. If you're into posters of "ripped" guys which I assume the target audience of the female 18- to 34-year-old demographic, you should see The CW Releases Posters of the Men of 'Arrow' Sans Shirts :sure:  You also might find this from an LA Times article last March interesting:

 

Is the audience for the CW, a network known for shows about teenage vampires and trendy high school students, getting a little long in the tooth?

 

This season, the median age of its audience is nearly 42.

 

That looks like trouble. The female-friendly, 7-year-old network targets the 18- to 34-year-old demographic. But CW's executives aren't running away from middle age. They are trying to attract a more diverse audience.

 

I don't know whether they're getting a more diverse audience this year, but they still aren't getting a competitive live+same day viewing audience. It's worth noting that "Beauty And The Beast" got a 100% gain in their 18-49 0.3 rating last week. "Hart Of Dixie" got a 75% gain (from 0.4 to 0.7), "Vampire Diaries" got a 62% gain (from 1.3 to 2.1) and "Originals" got a 55% gain (from 1.1 to 1.7). My guess is they made similar or larger gains from streaming.


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Posted 08 November 2013 - 12:16 PM

Here's Thursday:

 

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CBS, the reliable and steady broadcast network,  continues to control the live+same day age 50+ viewers. Last night they offered up "The Big Bang Theory" with Bob Newhart (age 84) as the guest star and "Two and a Half Men" with Lynda Carter (age 62) as the guest star.

 

Fox, being the opportunistic and unreliable Where's Waldo broadcast network, tied The CW in the 8 pm hour. To put it in perspective "The X-Factor" garnered a 2.0/6 - 6.49 on October 10 and last night, after the Fox Sports baseball earnings were counted by the financial analysts at News Corp, the show's rating was 1.2/4 - 3.64. At its October 10 outing "Glee" scored 2.9/8 - 7.39 while last night it pulled 1.5/4 - 4.00. I will continue to say it, you can't do what Fox is doing and sell a reliable audience to advertisers. Sure you can have an occasional special and maybe even the World Series. But you can't keep live+same day demo viewers interest in a show and preempt that show several weeks in a row. That is why News Corp became the advocate for the broadcast network plan to tax every viewer a lot of money in retrans fees. They don't have to worry about being opportunistic and unreliable.

 

ABC was the demo winner in the 9 and 10 pm hours.

 

NBC suits seems to be over-using "The Voice" to grab ratings instead of dealing with their schedule. They need to dump their Thursday comedy lineup by January when the Winter 2014 Season starts up.

 

The CW's "Vampire Diaries" did well last night and you can buy the Vampire Diaries 2014 Calendar here. :righton:


Edited by phrelin, 08 November 2013 - 12:31 PM.

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 12:57 PM

Lynda Carter still looks good and Newhart funny as ever.




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